If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

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you have been wrong before and you are wrong now, Stolarz isn't even close to the goalie Gibson is and I know the response wiill be "but look at his numbers."

Backups sometimes do have better numbers than starters because they play fewer games and weaker teams that doesn't mean they are better than the starter it means that they don't play as much and they get softer competition



there are at least 5 and even if there was only 1, f***ing go get him
Good take! I remember some Habs fans in the 70’s claiming Bunny was better than Dryden. Omitting the fact that Dryden played against the really good teams and Bunny got the less impressive menu. Not saying Bunny wasn’t good but look what happened in 73-74 when Kenny was on sabbatical! More than numbers to this game!!!!
 
I'm very curious as to how this is going to play out and who might be Leafs starting goalie next year if its not Campbell.

If Dubas believes Mrazek is the answer the player he gave a 3 year $3.8 mil contract, who with an injury history played in 14 games in 2020-21 and 20 games in 2021-22, I would be shocked.

With Vasilevskiy showing how important goaltending is to playoff success. this should really be Leafs #1 priority to lock up a proven #1 goalie long-term and build from the goalie out going forward.
If Mrazek is our number 1 next year we are totally doomed, kaput and destroyed

He's a racist a-hole


Yeah there's still making the playoffs......


Yup Binnington is a real POS
 
It's an option but you better make sure you have a more than capable backup like DeSmith or Holtby and possibly a 3rd before the playoffs.

I wouldn’t mind taking a look at Wedgewood? He was pretty solid in relief for Dallas down the stretch. Or in a platoon I would look at Korpisalo and see if he can pop like Anton Forsberg. CBJ know what they’re doing in the goaltending department.
 
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Said it before and I said it again. I wouldn't touch Gibson with a 10 foot pole. He is the perfect situation that can completely blow up on your face, and with the way the leafs cap is, you cannot take that risk.

He has like 5 more years at 6m and has posted below a 0.905sv% the last 3 years. Compare his numbers to Stolarz. I've watched some duck games especially this year and Stolarz looked better than Gibson.

The dude has a long list of injuries before the age of 30. It's a major concern imo.

Way better targets out there with less risk. See if Boston wants to move someone like ullmark. Check in with Blackwood in NJ. Check in with UFA goalies.

I think you have to actually watch Gibson play to understand the appeal. The skillset is absolutely high end. Technique, athleticism, size: but the concern is health, durability and maybe mental fatigue being besieged on a rebuilder.

Stolarz is a good back up who was solid in relief when Gibson struggled and a massive goalie but it’s not the same thing. They’re not comparable.
 
I think you have to actually watch Gibson play to understand the appeal. The skillset is absolutely high end. Technique, athleticism, size: but the concern is health, durability and maybe mental fatigue being besieged on a rebuilder.

Stolarz is a good back up who was solid in relief when Gibson struggled and a massive goalie but it’s not the same thing. They’re not comparable.
I've watched Gibson play quite a few times this season. I was just saying stolarz looked better than him this year under the same team. I understand the appeal, but there are also several concerns. In no way am I saying go get stolarz instead...
 
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I've watched Gibson play quite a few times this season. I was just saying stolarz looked better than him this year under the same team. I understand the appeal, but there are also several concerns. In no way am I saying go get stolarz instead...

Ok, yeah. Stolarz kind of comes across as huge and plays a simple game and you’re surprised at the effectiveness of his play. Gibson is effortlessly high end but prone to breaking down and the floodgates just open up. So I like the high end quality of him as a goalie and how he could provide an extra pillar of strength. But I also worry that his time in Anaheim may have burned him out.
 
I've watched Gibson play quite a few times this season. I was just saying stolarz looked better than him this year under the same team. I understand the appeal, but there are also several concerns. In no way am I saying go get stolarz instead...


Gibson is one of those trojan horses, his stats have been steadily declining the last 3 seasons.. a big cap hit like his might force the team to decide between Marner, Matty and Nylander all of their contracts expire in 2 to 3 seasons. I like Gibson but he's not the goalie people remember from 3 to 4 years ago.
 
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Jack Campbell

Platform season 31-9-6, .914 save percentage, 10 goals saved above average (per hockey-reference.com) for Toronto

Age 30

Current cap hit: $1.65 million

Lowdown Let’s start where it finished, shall we? Campbell sounded like a guy who intended to return to Toronto when he spoke with reporters in the aftermath of the series loss to Tampa. The only question is whether he priced himself out of the team’s plans with a year where he became an NHL all-star and impressively put himself back together after a difficult mid-season swoon. He’ll likely command around $5 million annually.

Darcy Kuemper

Platform season 37-12-4, .921 save percentage, 25.1 goals saved above average for Colorado

Age 32

Current cap hit $4.5 million

Lowdown There’s no guarantee Kuemper gets to the open market, although the Avalanche have to manage their cap situation closely. He’d likely be viewed as an upgrade on Campbell and is a player the Leafs have had interest in previously. However, the price might be prohibitive here: Kuemper has the best numbers of any free-agent goalie and will be coming off a long playoff run with Colorado.

Marc-André Fleury

Platform season 28-23-5, .908 save percentage, 2.1 goals saved above average for Chicago and Minnesota

Age 37

Current cap hit $7 million

Lowdown Fleury has played 200 games more than any other active goaltender and intends to keep going for at least one more season. There was at least casual interest from the Leafs before the trade deadline in March, and that may be renewed this summer. At 37, his best hockey is almost certainly behind him, but there’s still evidence he can perform well in a 1A/1B setup.

Mikko Koskinen

Platform season 27-12-4, .903 save percentage, minus-6.1 goals saved above average for Edmonton

Age 33

Current cap hit $4.5 million

Lowdown It was an up-and-down season for the six-foot-seven Finn, who was called out publicly by former Oilers head coach Dave Tippett in December. Still, Koskinen managed to reel off 27 victories while splitting starts with Mike Smith and may be looking at a pay cut on his next contract. If you’re signing him, you’re planning on using him as part of a platoon rather than as a traditional No. 1.

Ville Husso

Platform season 25-7-6, .919 save percentage, 15 goals saved above average for St. Louis

Age 27

Current cap hit $750,000

Lowdown Husso’s breakthrough season couldn’t have come at a better time with unrestricted free agency looming. He wrestled the Blues No. 1 job away from Jordan Binnington for a time and received more starts — 47 and counting, including playoffs — than in any of his previous professional seasons in North America. He’s in line for a significant raise after earning the NHL minimum and should receive considerable interest on the open market.

Braden Holtby

Platform season 10-10-1, .913 save percentage, 4.1 goals saved above average for Dallas

Age 32

Current cap hit $2 million

Lowdown The former Vezina Trophy winner was solid when called upon by the Stars, reversing a career downturn that saw him bought out by the Vancouver Canucks last summer. Health is a consideration here as Holtby missed a couple of stretches with an undisclosed lower-body injury, including the last two months of the season. Still, given his vast experience and contract demands that should be relatively modest, he could be a value signing.

Scott Wedgewood

Platform season 13-13-5, .910 save percentage, 3.7 goals saved above average for Arizona and Dallas

Age 29

Current cap hit $825,000

Lowdown This was the most NHL action he’s seen during a 10-year pro career and Wedgewood appeared up to the task. His stint with the Coyotes was particularly impressive because he held his own while facing more than 33 shots per game on average. The former Canadian world junior goaltender is also a local product from Brampton.
 
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I know we can’t afford him, but I’d love Jake Allen as a 1B. The poor guy desperately needs a change of scenery, and he is, by all accounts, a terrific leader. Plus he’s won a Cup (yes, as a backup, but STILL).
 
I know we can’t afford him, but I’d love Jake Allen as a 1B. The poor guy desperately needs a change of scenery, and he is, by all accounts, a terrific leader. Plus he’s won a Cup (yes, as a backup, but STILL).
Good option if they decide to go with Campbell. What would he cost?
 
If we are lucky McKay will pan out to be the real deal. If we are real lucky he will step right into the NHL and play like he has been.
20 loses in 140 games with 34 shutouts!
Please hockey God's make it happen
 
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So long as Carter wasn’t involved in that f***ed up situation with that lady at World Juniors, I hope Dubas tries to get a buy low sitch with him.

Sorry if I posted this before.
 
So long as Carter wasn’t involved in that f***ed up situation with that lady at World Juniors, I hope Dubas tries to get a buy low sitch with him.

Sorry if I posted this before.

What situation at the juniors? Anyway to be honest i think i rather stick with Jack if he signs around 4 milions per season, not impressed by goalies this playoffs except Vasilevsky and Shesterkin
 
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I don’t think Sutter is that out of step either, like I said before hockey is a pretty simple game really.
Sutter has always had a forward thinking mind for the game, his kings teams were analytical darlings and he’s always preached skill and puck possession.
 
Driedger is interesting after the world championships

Good take! I remember some Habs fans in the 70’s claiming Bunny was better than Dryden. Omitting the fact that Dryden played against the really good teams and Bunny got the less impressive menu. Not saying Bunny wasn’t good but look what happened in 73-74 when Kenny was on sabbatical! More than numbers to this game!!!!
Exactly. Well said. Awwww 73-74 I was 9-10 years old great memories
 
Vasi
Roy
Quick
Brodeur
Osgood
Crawford
Murray
Fleury
Ward
Binner
Holtby
well here is a start past few years .. you can find Gigi in 2007 for Ducks i guess if you think it is a MYTH .. looks like FACTS to me .. 1 guy not drafted and developed in 20 years
Don't you remember when Dubas was being questioned for drafting so many smaller skill guys and he said he could always trade for size and toughness? Ya...I remember...and look how easy it has been for him to do that...oh wait...

So, MLSE not putting a lot of stock in grooming our own goalie is not something I am surprised by..it's just a continuation of his philosophy really.
 
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Don't you remember when Dubas was being questioned for drafting so many smaller skill guys and he said he could always trade for size and toughness? Ya...I remember...and look how easy it has been for him to do that...oh wait...

So, MLSE not putting a lot of stock in grooming our own goalie is not something I am surprised by..it's just a continuation of his philosophy really.

Though to be fair to Dubas, this has been an issue with the Leafs through multiple GMs. The only real home drafted and developed goalie of the last couple decades has been Reimer from the 2006 draft class
 
Though to be fair to Dubas, this has been an issue with the Leafs through multiple GMs. The only real home drafted and developed goalie of the last couple decades has been Reimer from the 2006 draft class
Agreed...thats why I said MLSE is not big on drafting goalies. They seem to think they can always find a guy...well this season is going to be a big test. I would go with Husso if you can get him on a 2-3yr deal for 4-4.5. He has the 3rd best average against high danger shots over the last 3 yrs...Jack was 69/75 in that category. We need someone who can step up when we play firewagon hockey and Jack doesn't excel at it from the statistics angle.
 
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I know we can’t afford him, but I’d love Jake Allen as a 1B. The poor guy desperately needs a change of scenery, and he is, by all accounts, a terrific leader. Plus he’s won a Cup (yes, as a backup, but STILL).
Jake is under $3/million a season cap hit.
 

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