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If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?
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The Leaf goalie situation likely isn't going to be solved via free agency; I think they're going to have to make a trade. No one's really an upgrade on Jack in FA, and I don't think Jack alone is good enough. If you're going FA for a goalie this year, you're probably trying to grab someone with potential and hope he hits it.
I already make it VERY clear in the other topic what I think of those two. Fluery is clearly done as a difference maker; it says a lot when he was Minnesota's big deadline splash and then they didn't play him in the playoffs at all. And Kuemper is the definition of overrated at this point; the team that gives him a massive contract WILL come to regret it, sort of like how Seattle is likely regretting Grubauer's contract now...
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What? Fleury played five games in the playoffs. His stats were better than Jack's.
Sorry, I was under the impression they didn't play him. No, instead they hooked him at the end of the series. Which still makes my point. Fleury is done.
thusk
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Fleury at his age... nah he was not better
We dont talk about fleury who won vezina 2 years a go but a goalie who saw his game drop with age and will probably be closer of a back up level than a starter next season...
Kuemper huge health issues and will probably cost around 6 to 7M. Dont helpful get a goalie who didnt played on playoff like its the case right now for kuemper...
So you don't actually watch or pay attention to hockey good to know.
If you pay attention or look at box scores for 20 seconds you'd know he was playing.
If he had better playoff stats then Campbell and he's washed what does that make Jack?
Posted some research in another thread, but until they draft and develop their own. It doesn’t really matter who they sign. They are better off sticking with Campbell and putting as much resources as they can into finding the next young goaltender through the draft or in Russia/Scandinavia
socko
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I mean Jack is at least an average NHL starter IMO which isn't bad for a team that doesn't draft goalies. I mean if you want the Shersterkin, he's not going to be available in free agency. But then even if you start drafting, I mean it's a long shot you're going to strike that kind of gold.
Better is what's important if you need to spend more do it.
keonsbitterness
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That's why teams have pro scouting departments. With the distinct possibility of having to replace two goalies, they need to get this right.
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colchar
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Why are some people so obsessed with drafting and developing a goalie?
They need a #1 and it matters not one bit whether they sign him, trade for him , or draft and develop him. All that matters is getting him.
Yeah I am thinking he should be their target too.
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Dubas has definitely been a little naive when it comes to being able to keep swinging for small skill home runs and trade the rest to fill needs. The downside to that strategy is if those players aren’t breaking out as impactful players they have little value like Nic Petan. Those who do value, you hesitate to part with.
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Age and cost potentially figure to be on the team's side for a time in the case of a goalie that is drafted and developed by the organization. Not having to expend present or future assets in order to acquire said goalie may also be of further help. That said, a mixed bag pertaining to method of acquisition exists for some of the goalies on teams that are still in the Cup hunt (the draft for Vasilevskiy and Shesterkin, trade for Kuemper, free agency for Smith).
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Last 2yrs
Kuemper (32): 84gms, .917 (plyff: 19gms, .907)
Campbell (30): 71gms, .916 (plyff: 14gms, .915)
Fleury (38): 92gms, .915 (plyff: 21gms, .910)
do not care the only thing I care about is that when Campbell has a chance to win a series he can't do it, he chokes
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Gibson is the ultimate high risk, high reward situation
Either we get an elite goalie and suddenly become arguably the best team in hockey, or we get an awful contract and have our cap screwed with Tavares/Gibson making a combined 17.4 million.
I hope we really look into him and see what we potentially have here. Is this someone who will benefit leaving a basement team and going to a contender? Is his dip in lay a lack of motivation or just natural decline?
Sometimes you have to say f*** it and take a risk to win. Maybe this is Dubas' risk
Either we get an elite goalie and suddenly become arguably the best team in hockey, or we get an awful contract and have our cap screwed with Tavares/Gibson making a combined 17.4 million.
I hope we really look into him and see what we potentially have here. Is this someone who will benefit leaving a basement team and going to a contender? Is his dip in lay a lack of motivation or just natural decline?
Sometimes you have to say f*** it and take a risk to win. Maybe this is Dubas' risk
Go look at my post in the Shanny, Dubas, Keefe thread. I did an in-depth researched post about the Stanley Cup Winners from 2009 to 2021. Guess what all but 2 Stanley Cup winning teams had in common? A drafted and developed goalie that helped them win a championship. The data speaks for itself. In the cap era. Signing a goalie doesn’t work. It is a bad investment. The only two teams that did it were Chicago with Antti Niemi and Boston with Tim Thomas. Outside of that no other team has won a cup by trading for or signing a goalie outside of their organization in the last 13 years. So what exactly does that tell you? You need your own guy. I’m pretty sure whoever wins the east is going to win the cup and that’s going to extend that streak to 14.
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Agreed but it does seem that the stud #1s were drafted and developed.
I don’t see why they can’t do both. Draft and develop and bring in a #1. Campbell is a good guy but he’s not someone who’s going to take you far.
Binnington verses leaf media would be fun to watch for a few years .
I'm not sure if Toronto would be on Varlamovs no trade list of 16 but a deal in which the Isles take back Mrazek + (insert fair sweetener) is an interesting option .
Sorokin can probably handle a 60 game workload next season so Mrazek would be an expensive backup but when you add their two salarys up 4.0 + 3.8 its only 7.8 mil on a tandem for a few years .
I guess the key would be the sweetener needed to accomplish this . I doubt isles and leaf fans will come to an agreement on this element so I'll let it be
I'm not sure if Toronto would be on Varlamovs no trade list of 16 but a deal in which the Isles take back Mrazek + (insert fair sweetener) is an interesting option .
Sorokin can probably handle a 60 game workload next season so Mrazek would be an expensive backup but when you add their two salarys up 4.0 + 3.8 its only 7.8 mil on a tandem for a few years .
I guess the key would be the sweetener needed to accomplish this . I doubt isles and leaf fans will come to an agreement on this element so I'll let it be
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