If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[kb]

The more I think about Matt Murray, the less I’m convinced.

Starting from the theory that we’re at elite team that can basically win with nothing but average goaltending, (I’ll work with you on this one) it would imply all we are missing is an average, robotic and dependable goalie who can play X games and away we go. Basically a Kuemper, Francouz. Or whatever Colorado is now attempting with a Georgiev. Ok fine.

So how does a boom bust and completely unreliable Matt Murray help this cause? If all we need is a ground ball of goalies, why have the Leafs elected to go for the home run hit?

He was better than any goalie we had in the "goals saved vs expected", for what it's worth. He was +3.2 (28th)

Every goalie the Leafs had was a negative in that category. (Jack was 68th among all goalies)

So if you work with this and realize he won't be the starter, suddenly you can see that maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for him to play the Mrazek role this season.

 

[Bluelines]

Ummm what and no that’s not possible!!
Chychrun: 4.5M
Tkachuk : 10M
Giroux: 5M
Campbell: 5M
Engvall/sandin/backup goalie: 5M
TOTAL IN = 30M

Muzzin : 5M
Tavares: 11M
TOTAL OUT = 16M

That’s like not even close to possible. Like note even close to close. Even if you were the waive Matthews, you’d still be missing 3M.

Yep, it is absolutely possible. Sorry Kerfoot is out too. The fourth liners are league min salaries dont get caught up with the names. I couldn't fit Sandin in the screen clip but his 2 mil is in there too.

 

[TheRumble]

Looks like Gibson is off the table.

And before anyone bashes Kypreos. Kypreos the Insider is one of the best in the media. Dude broke the Erik Karlsson trade talks months before Ottawa made it public.

Kypreos the analyst is take it or leave it.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't think about this moaning and whining changes everything, but it detracts and destroys every possible thread here to whine fest and history lesson of past do or do nots. Where we go over and over and over again all the moves, because those kept brought into now and then discussion.

Just bash Murray and choice of our goalie, coaching decisions and what happens now. We don't have to whine about Dubas or Keefe being here, because they will and after next season they might not based on results.

We can have discussion about Murray without having to bash Dubas and moan about everything. It is what it is.

I don't think the Dubas can do no wrong crowd adds anything. And detracts from every thread. Excuses, expected shyte, what ifs, unlucky, look at this team..... heard how fricken awesome they were all year. Every year for 4. Every thread.

 

[joepeps]

Looks like Gibson is off the table.

And before anyone bashes Kypreos. Kypreos the Insider is one of the best in the media. Dude broke the Erik Karlsson trade talks months before Ottawa made it public.

Kypreos the analyst is take it or leave it.

yup close this up... Agents never lie... ohh wait, except it was leaked that Gibson asked for a trade earlier and doesn't want to go through a rebuild... and ohh wait the agent for Gibons is the same for Campbell, who wants to sign with the leafs... but your right... close this up.

PK subban will not be traded... next day.. he is traded by Montreal lol

 

[Racer88]

In that case they succeeded. Promotions for all.

And bonuses

 

[Leaf Fans]

I don't think the Dubas can do no wrong crowd adds anything. And detracts from every thread. Excuses, expected shyte, what ifs, unlucky, look at this team..... heard how fricken awesome they were all year. Every year for 4. Every thread.

I don't think there is a Dubas can do no wrong crowd, but the Dubas is a good but not perfect crowd adds ideas, rationality and they counter the 365 day whining crowd.

 

[colchar]

The franchise broke the record for most points this past season.

Who f**king cares?!?!

That meant jack shit in the playoffs, and the Stanley Cup is the only thing that matters. To pretend otherwise is a loser's mentality.

 

[rocketman588]

I would hope that if we do Murray were a) trying to force a buyout or b) getting him at 25%

Plus adding someone else

Gambling another year of Matthews on him is a massive risk

 

[trellaine201]

Looks like Gibson is off the table.

And before anyone bashes Kypreos. Kypreos the Insider is one of the best in the media. Dude broke the Erik Karlsson trade talks months before Ottawa made it public.

Kypreos the analyst is take it or leave it.

LOL “absolutely not interested “ lmao

 

[joepeps]

I don't think there is a Dubas can do no wrong crowd, but the Dubas is a good but not perfect crowd adds ideas, rationality and they counter the 365 day whining crowd.

Exactly... no GM is perfect... Dubas makes mistakes but he fixes them for relatively low values... Maybe over paid his stars but he doesn't overpay middle or bottom tier players. He has found a lot of value with little money.

What is to complain about? Maybe strategy.. and that could be his downfall but people saying signing JT as a mistake, were crying when he signed and loved it at the time... so dont even start lol

LOL “absolutely not interested “ lmao

He plays for Anaheim... what do you want the agent to say for 1.. 2 he asked for a trade a month ago and 3 it's the same agent for Campbell who wants to stay in Toronto.

 

[colchar]

Looks like Gibson is off the table.

And before anyone bashes Kypreos. Kypreos the Insider is one of the best in the media. Dude broke the Erik Karlsson trade talks months before Ottawa made it public.

Kypreos the analyst is take it or leave it.

Take what the agent says with a huge grain of salt.

I don't think there is a Dubas can do no wrong crowd

Oh yes there is.

 

[saltming]

The D wasn't the issue, nor was the coaching. The franchise broke the record for most points this past season.

Don't mind Trotz, but the timing isn't right. Unless it's for managing the Blue Jays. lol

I don't mind our defense or the defensive system, but I do feel Keefe doesn't make the in game adjustments to make a difference in a tight series. Yes, we had lots of chances in game 7 but there needed to be some adjustments made to break through as it was obvious Tampa going into a defensive shell that made our chances impotent.
I want Trotz primarily because I think he's a better in game tactician than Keefe.

 

[Stephen]

He was better than any goalie we had in the "goals saved vs expected", for what it's worth. He was +3.2 (28th)

Every goalie the Leafs had was a negative in that category. (Jack was 68th among all goalies)

So if you work with this and realize he won't be the starter, suddenly you can see that maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for him to play the Mrazek role this season.

Maybe. But even if we slots in at 1B, which is the only position he should start with, he would still make $3.1 million or so at 50% retention which means we have a lot less to work with on the as of yet undetermined 1A.

 

[stealth1]

It's funny.

Edmonton and Washington fans are excited by the upcoming opportunity to upgrade their goaltending.

Not us tho.

Cause none of whats available really is an upgrade. It's just moving the deck chairs.

 

[Trapper]

If it’s Murray, get er done.
Either get me the piece that gets us through the playoff rounds, or get the piece that gets rid of management.
Win-win.

 

[KPower]

Dubas’s fascination with guys from the Soo is worrisome.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

They did. Now have them playing Tampa in the first round.

You have nothing?

Holland took Edmonton to the Conference finals in his third year.

The Leafs haven’t won a round during the Dubas era with him as the full GM for four of those years.

Answer this, who did this Leafs lose to in the first round in 2021?

How about 2020?

You’re grasping for excuses.

The fact is Tampa Bay is a great team but they didn’t win the cup. They were handled pretty handily by the Avalanche. The Avalanche defeated the Oilers easily.

The Leafs are much further away from winning anything significant than the Dubas defenders would have us believe.

The bottom line is that we need to get better.

“Running it back” is not the solution. Without changes in approach and personnel, we aren’t going to suddenly make it through Tampa, Florida or the AVS coming out of the west.

Although I’m sure losing to whatever team we face next year will offer another convenient excuse to stick with Dubas and his flawed team building approach.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Dubas’s fascination with guys from the Soo is worrisome.

I wonder this is just a smoke cloud amd Leafs have their eyes on another goalie.

 

[rocketman588]

Looks like Gibson is off the table.

And before anyone bashes Kypreos. Kypreos the Insider is one of the best in the media. Dude broke the Erik Karlsson trade talks months before Ottawa made it public.

Kypreos the analyst is take it or leave it.

Overhardt is apparently also Jacks agent

So he's either using the media to try to pressure the leafs or the relationship is very f***ed

 

[A1LeafNation]

Overhardt is apparently also Jacks agent

So he's either using the media to try to pressure the leafs or the relationship is very f***ed

Sounds like he is trying to get one client paid...his other client is already paid.

Shady agent work.

 

[rocketman588]

It's funny.

Edmonton and Washington fans are excited by the upcoming opportunity to upgrade their goaltending.

Not us tho.

In terms of UFAs there's only one goalie out there that would be an upgrade over our goalie from last year( obviously because Jack was the goalie)

There doesn't seem to be that much in the trade market that's very exciting either that's why everyone wants Gibson because he's an upgrade and available.

I think if it looked like we were going to upgrade we'd be yoked. Ill trust that we will but I won't be shocked if we're disappointed

Sounds like he is trying to get one client paid...his other client is already paid.

Shady agent work.

Kind of his job tho lol

 

[A1LeafNation]

In terms of UFAs there's only one goalie out there that would be an upgrade over our goalie from last year( obviously because Jack was the goalie)

There doesn't seem to be that much in the trade market that's very exciting either that's why everyone wants Gibson because he's an upgrade and available.

I think if it looked like we were going to upgrade we'd be yoked. Ill trust that we will but I won't be shocked if we're disappointed


Kind of his job tho lol

Agree.

 

[stealth1]

He was better than any goalie we had in the "goals saved vs expected", for what it's worth. He was +3.2 (28th)

Every goalie the Leafs had was a negative in that category. (Jack was 68th among all goalies)

So if you work with this and realize he won't be the starter, suddenly you can see that maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for him to play the Mrazek role this season.

If you're trading for Murray then you're basically saying he is the starter. Even if Ottawa retains salary it doesn't leave much left to sign another goalie as well as fill out the roster. Adding in they are saying that Kalgren is the backup what makes you think he would be a backup or 1A type.

Can we stop with the expected goals and saves for crap. It's means nothing.

 

[BallardEra]

Dubas’s fascination with guys from the Soo is worrisome.