If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

[saltming]

The I-hate-dubas cult works off a special calendar - 365 days of whining.

Lol
I think there is just a 365 day whining club.
Any topic any time, we got whine!

 

[hotpaws]

i can't believe they're seriously interested in Murray .

the only bright side is it's not my job riding on him turning around his game after years swirling around the toilet

 

[ToneDog]

To be fair, Murray plays In front of an absolute tire fire of a defensive team, just putrid. That said, it’s a real risk to think he’s your guy to win a cup at this stage. Seems more riskier than bringing Campbell back, that in and of itself doesn’t radiate great “plan”. And the backup is a massive question mark, smallest of sample sizes aren’t much comfort.

Makes me nervous.

No team has lost 6 consecutive first round series and gone on to win a cup. Odds are we are not winning a cup next year.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Hopefully Dubas has a trade up his sleeve as the goalie market seems crazy. Campbell 100% won't be worth whatever contract he ends up getting.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I’d rather Allen at 1.5M than Murray at 3.5M. Send Holl to Mtl as well if need to clear another 2M

Allen at 50% for Holl + 1st 2023

Yeah still a hard no.

 

[Suntouchable13]

i can't believe they're seriously interested in Murray .

the only bright side is it's not my job riding on him turning around his game after years swirling around the toilet

Hey, he is from the Soo so he has to be good according to Dubas

 

[Bomber0104]

i can't believe they're seriously interested in Murray .

the only bright side is it's not my job riding on him turning around his game after years swirling around the toilet

The bar has never been lower for the Leafs, so yes, we're obviously going to be very interested in a bottom-feeder's failed cast-off goalie, and try to spin that as a success if it happens...

 

[hotpaws]

Hey, he is from the Soo so he has to be good according to Dubas

luckily for Doobie he'll be back in his favorite place real soon

edit - maybe i should have said lucky for us

 

[Bomber0104]

Lol
I think there is just a 365 day whining club.
Any topic any time, we got whine!

So to be clear, you actually want Matt Murray and this is a good thing for Toronto?

The I-hate-dubas cult works off a special calendar - 365 days of whining.

So to be clear, you're happy with how this goaltending situation has played out here in Toronto?

 

[Menzinger]

Evaluating a potential Murray acquisition is difficult without knowing 1) what the other part of the tandem is 2) what his aav will be post trade (and does imhe come with a sweetener).

He's a reclamation project - but the Avs and Wings are also both banking on guys to be able to pull things together for sustained good play over a whole season while lacking previous track records - so the Leafs wouldn't be the only team on that "hope for the best" path.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So to be clear, you actually want Matt Murray and this is a good thing for Toronto?

I think he was just fommenenting on the 365 day whining club on the board. A bit off topic, but a fair comment.

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

What's going on with Lehtonen anyways? Why not him?

 

[saltming]

So to be clear, you actually want Matt Murray and this is a good thing for Toronto?





So to be clear, you're happy with how this goaltending situation has played out here in Toronto?

I do not want Murray but this makes me understand I know nothing like jon

Maybe the new goalie team has seen something?
There is also the idea that he will be a 1B or this is all smoke and we are bored and making a mountain out of a mole hill?

 

[BayStBullies]

I do not want Murray but this makes me understand I know nothing like jon

Maybe the new goalie team has seen something?
There is also the idea that he will be a 1B or this is all smoke and we are bored and making a mountain out of a mole hill?

Murray played for the Soo. This is beyond a joke now.

 

[hotpaws]

Evaluating a potential Murray acquisition is difficult without knowing 1) what the other part of the tandem is 2) what his aav will be post trade (and does imhe come with a sweetener).

He's a reclamation project - but the Avs and Wings are also both banking on guys to be able to pull things together for sustained good play over a whole season while lacking previous track records - so the Leafs wouldn't be the only team on that "hope for the best" path.

the old kick the can down the road trick , lol

evaluating a potential Murray acquisition is easy , he's been crap for years so i don't give a damn what his cap hit is or if we're getting a sweetener

and what the hell does it matter what the Avs and Wings are doing ? are you also contemplating hw Michigan University's goalies will play this year ?

 

[zeke]

So to be clear, you actually want Matt Murray and this is a good thing for Toronto?





So to be clear, you're happy with how this goaltending situation has played out here in Toronto?

To be clear, you are in a rage because we are entering free agency season with lots of capspace and a clean goaltending slate?

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

So officially gone are Husso, Georgiev, Fleury, Gibson, vanacek, holtby (likely retired)

Highly unlikely are Campbell and Allen

Remaining options are Murray, Kuemper, Reimer, Talbot.

Sounds like Murray is the front runner. This is starting to get very ugly for the leafs

So, Dubas, is once again left dumpster diving for a key player it would appear.

All of this, because he erred several years ago in his approach to structuring the salary’s of the team and thinking he could have his cake and eat it too.

“We can and we will” he said in response to the criticism of his approach at the time.

If Dubas was looking for a bargain on a seventh defenceman, or a depth forward, it would be one thing. But he’s taking that approach trying to find a first string goaltender. A goaltender that we are led to believe, is the missing key element to having a successful Stanley Cup playoff run.

The idea that the salary cap going up the next few years will somehow be the fix to this problem, I don’t believe will help, as many of the Leafs key players, who are coincidentally the source of the problem to begin with, will be renewing and will no doubt looking for raises and looking to maximize what will likely represent their final NHL contracts.

The only solution here is to recognize that the current structure of the team, which has too much money tied up in too few star forwards, is simply not going to work. And, it’s not like the idea hasn’t been tried enough times already.

Yet, instead, Dubas chooses to simply keep finding creative work arounds like; sacrificing draft picks and prospects, signing reclamation projects, and signing veterans to league minimums, all in an effort to avoid dealing with the cause and source of the problem.

When Shanahan came on board as president, we were promised the days of giving away draft picks and trading young players was over. We were assured the team finally recognized the importance of having young controllable assets on the team, as well as having a pipeline of young developing players coming up and pushing for positions on the big club. Those young controllable assets on team friendly deals were a key element to effectively building a team in a salary cap world. There would be pain in the short term, but long term they were setting a winning foundation we were told.

And many of us applauded this long overdue awakening.

Yet, what we have now, is that the new approach has largely been abandoned for the old Leaf approach that simply didn’t and hasn’t worked. And the new approach has seemingly been abandoned all because the inexperienced rookie GM they chose to hire, made major mistakes signing their emerging stars to overly friendly player contracts as well as signing an unneeded additional star in Tavares and the result is that the team has been paying for those mistakes ever since.

The proposed solution now seems to be to just try the same work around again for another year.

My fear here is that Shanahan is going to let Dubas play the “run-it-back” approach one too many times (if that hasn’t happened already) and the team will be left without Matthews, at which point we’ll be back at square one and back to close to where we started.

We’re not at that point yet, but it could be argued that we might be one year away from that exact scenario.

Dubas needs to recognize this, he needs to pivot, and he needs to make a major change to the salary structure of the team and finally trade one of the big salaries up front for cap flexibility.

That will allow him to stabilize the goaltending position and give him cap room to address other team needs.

The Leafs simply can’t afford to wait another year and give Dubas and his ego another year to prove his critics wrong in that “he could and he did” at the long term expense of the team.

 

[saltming]

Murray played for the Soo. This is beyond a joke now.

Well that will depend on if it true

 

[BallardEra]

 

[Buds17]

Campbell/Murray tandem?

 

[zeke]

So, Dubas, is once again left dumpster diving for a key player it would appear.

All of this, because he erred several years ago in his approach to structuring the salary’s of the team and thinking he could have his cake and eat it too.

“We can and we will” he said in response to the criticism of his approach at the time.

If Dubas was looking for a bargain on a seventh defenceman, or a depth forward, it would be one thing. But he’s taking that approach trying to find a first string goaltender. A goaltender that we are led to believe, is the missing key element to having a successful Stanley Cup playoff run.

The idea that the salary cap going up the next few years will somehow be the fix to this problem, I don’t believe will help, as many of the Leafs key players, who are coincidentally the source of the problem to begin with, will be renewing and will no doubt looking for raises and looking to maximize what will likely represent their final NHL contracts.

The only solution here is to recognize that the current structure of the team, which has too much money tied up in too few star forwards, is simply not going to work. And, it’s not like the idea hasn’t been tried enough times already.

Yet, instead, Dubas chooses to simply keep finding creative work arounds like; sacrificing draft picks and prospects, signing reclamation projects, and signing veterans to league minimums, all in an effort to avoid dealing with the cause and source of the problem.

When Shanahan came on board as president, we were promised the days of giving away draft picks and trading young players was over. We were assured the team finally recognized the importance of having young controllable assets on the team, as well as having a pipeline of young developing players coming up and pushing for positions on the big club. Those young controllable assets on team friendly deals were a key element to effectively building a team in a salary cap world. There would be pain in the short term, but long term they were setting a winning foundation we were told.

And many of us applauded this long overdue awakening.

Yet, what we have now, is that the new approach has largely been abandoned for the old Leaf approach that simply didn’t and hasn’t worked. And the new approach has seemingly been abandoned all because the inexperienced rookie GM they chose to hire, made major mistakes signing their emerging stars to overly friendly player contracts as well as signing an unneeded additional star in Tavares and the result is that the team has been paying for those mistakes ever since.

The proposed solution now seems to be to just try the same work around again for another year.

My fear here is that Shanahan is going to let Dubas play the “run-it-back” approach one too many times (if that hasn’t happened already) and the team will be left without Matthews, at which point we’ll be back at square one and back to close to where we started.

We’re not at that point yet, but it could be argued that we might be one year away from that exact scenario.

Dubas needs to recognize this, he needs to pivot, and he needs to make a major change to the salary structure of the team and finally trade one of the big salaries up front for cap flexibility.

That will allow him to stabilize the goaltending position and give him cap room to address other team needs.

The Leafs simply can’t afford to wait another year and give Dubas and his ego another year to prove his critics wrong in that “he could and he did” at the long term expense of the team.

How is entering free agency with all the capspace needed to sign any goalie "dumpster diving"?

 

[keonsbitterness]

are you also wondering who's playing net for Michigan University ?

University of Michigan.

Erick Portillo is one. 3rd round pick of the Sabres in '19. Swedish kid.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Familiarity is the only factor. Fixed that for you, Weekesy.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Sooo we’re going after another terrible contract we’ll probably have to give up assets to drop next year?

We might as well of kept Mrazek and our first round draft pick and tried to rehabilitate his value to hopefully trade him later.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

You've got to be kidding me Gary. Of course he would cheer it on, getting more money from a dying US market is his FREAKING JOB. He is literally paid to grow the league! I didn't say he would tamper with the process. I just, serenity now.

The income tax implications of playing for the Leafs in Ontario, versus playing for a tax friendly state like Florida are also worth noting.