If it's not Jack Campbell who should be the Leafs new #1 goalie?

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We just got rid of his last years goalie mistake for a price, our starter is UFA, but if I have anything less than 100 percent confidence in Dubas I hate my life for no reason? Oh come on.

Scrambling is exactly where we are, let’s hope it’s tasty eggs in the end. Mmmmmm.
 
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Alrighty man. Francouz was under contract so that negates everything. Do you think they were not getting a goaltender if Kuemper wasn't acquired? Or was Francouz the #1 goaltender if that doesn't happen?
So Kallgren is out Francouz! If Kallgren can turn into Francouz I would be happy!
 
The plan is the same as the other teams going into free agency looking for a goaltender or a defenseman or a forward or any important position. I don't understand the problem and creating an air of "we're in a position of weakness" is rather bizarre. Free agency is there for a reason, not because you don't have a plan.

Teams are talking and teams are still going through whatever process they go through. I'm sure the Leafs have a really good idea of what they want to do, just like the Oilers, Washington, etc.

Leafs could easily keep Campbell but are looking at their options and want to make sure their decision is not limited to just keeping Campbell. It doesn't help that he wants to get paid more than what he should be getting, but that's the business. What you're saying is that you wanted the Leafs to re-sign Campbell or trade for a goaltender 10 months ago?
It's not a bizarre take, it is a downright silly and extremely short sighted take.

Unless - of course - there is an underlying agenda to it....like always.
 
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Alrighty man. Francouz was under contract so that negates everything. Do you think they were not getting a goaltender if Kuemper wasn't acquired? Or was Francouz the #1 goaltender if that doesn't happen?

That team has so much jam they willed the wins despite the tending. Look at the tenders avgs, not good for a cup winner. Do you honestly think I would worry about even Soup if we had a team that played like Colorado just did?
It's not a bizarre take, it is a downright silly and extremely short sighted take.

Unless - of course - there is an underlying agenda to it....like always.

Under Dubas most of our trades are loses, flat out loses. The major contracts? Overpays. The organization puts itself into positions of weakness all the time. That's the issue, and that's the managements issue not the players.
 
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I’d argue there’s less risk going the trade route.

Send an asset out for Cam Talbot or Jonathan Quick or James Reimer, all of whom are heading into the last year of their contracts, and if it doesn’t work out the Leafs could still pivot. They wouldn’t be boxed into a corner.

Commit to Campbell or Kuemper on a pricey, long-term contract and if things go quickly awry the Leafs would be stuck.


If they aren’t sold on the short-term (hopeful) trade fixes, or Campbell or Kuemper, the Leafs could make a play for a high roller like John Gibson – if they believed his ability/upside was higher and thus worth the risks. Gibson’s got a huge contract himself, hasn’t performed great in recent years, and would require a haul of juicy assets for the rebuilding Anaheim Ducks.

So, a no-go in all likelihood on that front.

The short-term trade types don’t feel like terrible options, especially when weighed against the splashy, long-term commitments the free agents will require. (It’s too bad for the Leafs that Semyon Varlamov seems to be unavailable. He would be the ultimate Band-Aid solution.)

Reimer actually outplayed Campbell last season (in the goals saved above-expected department) in almost the same number of games, and his cap hit for next season is tiny ($2.25 million) compared to what Campbell will fetch. Save coin there and the Leafs have more to spend elsewhere (2C?). San Jose has reason to wheel and deal: They’ve got three goalies and a new GM in Mike Grier who may look to turn some things over and rebuild.

Quick, too, performed quite well for the Kings last season. He is also 36 and probably tops out at 50 starts. But he’s all the big-game experience you could ask for. Would Kings GM Rob Blake even want him to move him given the franchise’s upward trajectory, not to mention Quick’s stature within the organization?


Quick’s cap hit next season is also $5.8 million. Would the Kings retain half of that if they were willing to deal Quick? Would the acquisition cost, a little higher for the retention, be worthwhile when the Leafs can trade for others like Talbot and Reimer (no retention) or simply sign Campbell or Kuemper in free agency – albeit with the long-term risks? Maybe.

Talbot is another one-year option, though less appealing than Reimer or Quick. He’s 35 and something of a journeyman, and it has to mean something that the Wild went out and acquired Fleury in the first place at last year’s deadline.

Maybe this: Talbot gave up 17 goals more than expected last season.

Dealing for Ottawa’s Matt Murray, even at half-price (he’s got two years left on his deal with a $6.25 million cap hit), would be an even bigger gamble, with the risk/cost far outweighing the upside. (Let the Senators buy him out and it’s a different story.)

The lowest risk route would have the Leafs trade for Reimer, sign a veteran like Jaroslav Halak in free agency, and see how that works. If it’s a disaster, they can deal for another goalie from a team that’s out of the playoff mix. (An often forgotten reality from last season: The Leafs had some of the worst goaltending in the league for half a season and still finished with 115 points. Even if the goaltending is bad, they’re still getting by in the regular season.)

Jake Allen will be on the last year of his deal with Montreal ($2.8 million cap hit). So will Red Wings No. 2 Alex Nedeljkovic. If the Islanders flame out next season, Varlamov is bound to be available ($5 million cap hit) too.


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If I’m ranking the paths to a puzzle that might not have all the pieces:

1. Trade for Reimer (or someone similar with similar upside and risk)

2. Pay Kuemper

3. Pay Campbell


None are obvious. None are easy. And none may be all that reassuring. The decisions won’t get much harder than this for Dubas and the Leafs.

I find the goalie acquisition risk assessment matrix to be fundamentally screwed up in a lot of ways.

Yes. The lowest risk is the shortest term, cheapest contract you can sign and pay as little as you can to give up in trade. But it’s also an admission that we aren’t confident in what’s available and our ability to make a proper choice and have one eye towards the eject button before you even get a guy.

I would gladly shed assets and allocate bigger cap to pursue a goalie who can just solidify the position for the next 4 years.
 
We just got rid of his last years goalie mistake for a price, our starter is UFA, but if I have anything less than 100 percent confidence in Dubas I hate my life for no reason? Oh come on.

Scrambling is exactly where we are, let’s hope it’s tasty eggs in the end. Mmmmmm.

What goalie should we have picked up that has been picked up so that we aren't scrambling? A bunch of trash has gone off the market.
 
I find the goalie acquisition risk assessment matrix to be fundamentally screwed up in a lot of ways.

Yes. The lowest risk is the shortest term, cheapest contract you can sign and pay as little as you can to give up in trade. But it’s also an admission that we aren’t confident in what’s available and our ability to make a proper choice and have one eye towards the eject button before you even get a guy.

I would gladly shed assets and allocate bigger cap to pursue a goalie who can just solidify the position for the next 4 years.
Except that there are nearly none you could point to and say you are truly confident about. At least that is what these playoffs showed me. Vasi got torched a lot in the playoffs, Kuemper did, even Shesterkin did at times.

Just pick one and forget about it....do your best to put the best team in front of whomever you choose.
 
I mean, we are getting a goalie, that isn’t any question or for someone to say “ah duh you think we aren’t doing something?” It’s what are we getting and do we need to overpay now because the window is closing very soon for next year. It’s a critical moment for the team and being nervous about a precarious position seems common sense, apart from mindless fanboy rationales.

Get it right Kyle.

UFA season starts on Wednesday.
 
Under Dubas most of our trades are loses, flat out loses. The major contracts? Overpays. The organization puts itself into positions of weakness all the time. That's the issue, and that's the managements issue not the players.

Well that’s a ridiculous stupid and jaded comment. He’s definitely made mistakes on some, but this is just a bad take
 
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How many Stanley cup winning GMs had 0 tenders signed the year prior to their team winning the cup? We can just statistically shred this guy right now, nothing supports his actions leading to team success. If you can find some I am all ears. I want to say, I was wrong about Dubas, this guy has got what it takes and I am confident. I do and I mean that. I want to love Kyle Dubas for the job he is doing with our Team

At this time last year the only goalie Colorado had signed was an injured backup francousz who wasn't slated to return from injury until Christmas.
 
I guess there's a chance we go into the 2022-23 season with a couple of stopgap solutions waiting until a legit goalie becomes available during the season.
 
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That team has so much jam they willed the wins despite the tending. Look at the tenders avgs, not good for a cup winner. Do you honestly think I would worry about even Soup if we had a team that played like Colorado just did?

You asked a question, it was answered. It's possible. But we can go and move the posts to fit whatever you want and make it about the team. So no matter what the Leafs do they are doomed because they don't have a good team.
 
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What do you mean?

As in, he won't be the clear starter. We'll see what happens but there's probably interest in getting him with an asset in some way. It's possible there's 75% retention with a 3rd team too. I don't think the plan is to get him to start 50 games for us.
 
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Really think Dubas plan A was Husso. Feels like soup already has a hand shake agreement with oils. Knowing his character he likely isn’t going back on that now especially if Dubas negotiated in bad faith early on. Caps likely don’t trade their goalie unless they are sure they have a guy like kuemper Secured. Fact Dubas was running around the draft floor talking trade for goalies now makes it clear we are scrambling. Teams will be licking their chops in trade once the music stops and Leafs have no one. Hoping I am wrong.
 
Goalies that have moved since the end of the season. With last 2yrs regular season and playoffs stats.

Husso (27): 64gms, .910sv% ($4.8 x2yrs, 3rd)
Vanacek (27): 82gms, .907sv% (RFA x1yrs, 2nd+3rd)
Georgiev (26): 54gms, .901sv% (RFA x1yrs, 3rd+3rd+5th)
Mrazek (29): 34gms, .899sv% ($3.8m x 2yrs, swap #38 for #25)
 
Well that’s a ridiculous stupid and jaded comment. He’s definitely made mistakes on some, but this is just a bad take

Which move has allowed us to move past the 1st round? You need to show progress when you're making moves, and we have shown none. Moral victories don't count and AM34 and the other players are going to want raises soon, while we are finding a tender? Most good GMs build from the net out. It's just strange to me the kinds of passes Dubas get around here.

This coming season is the last year before major restructuring. Can we win it all?
 
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