Seravalli: If Capitals retain 50 percent on Dowd, he could be traded for a first round pick
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le_sean
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The difference is I never spoke about Dowd defensively. Sure he might be good. The fact remains for a guy you claim is so great 5v5, an awful team with no redeeming qualities doesn’t even bother giving him any PP time. That he’s never once topped 25 points in a season. Some players don’t just magically produce more when given more responsibility. He is what he is, a 3rd line centre whereas Monahan has proven this year and in previous years that he’s a good 2C.
Christ he’s not even the best Dowd that’s played in the NHL the last 30 years. Jim Dowd even managed better seasons and he was a journeyman 3C
You must've overlooked the person who answered you.
And Monahan relates to all of this again how exactly? That Dowd might get something of value if a teams is looking for a checking matchup?
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You’re the one that chimed into a conversation where someone claimed that they'd prefer Dowd to Monahan.
And Hab fans have piled in as though there is an affront to Bleu, Blanc, et Rouge.
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Just calling out the ridiculous notion that a team would somehow want Dowd ahead of an actual good player.
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If there was a 1st round pick on the table we wouldnt be talking about how he “could be” available.
He’d already have been traded.
They both seem like they would want someone more like Monahan/Lindholm who they can put into offensive roles on their 2nd line. Dowd is more of a specific shopping item for a team trying to find a matchup value. Retained, cap strapped teams likely would be very interested. But the market has tightened up with those other two moving in the last week.
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Seems more like the Dominic Moore caliber player who seemed to always land a 2nd at the deadline
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I get the ridiculousness of spending a 1st for Dowd and it seems absurd. That said, some people in this thread clearly don’t know how to manage a budget and with the current cap situation these deals are going to be weird for win now teams that don’t like this draft. A 2nd seems 2 rounds high but probably more reasonable.
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And he got a fat contract from the rangers right after.
GMs dont always make great decisions
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It's pretty obvious to me that those that are flabbergasted by the concept of a 1st round pick for a (retained) Dowd haven't watched much Capitals hockey recently. I don't blame them, the Capitals are playing some pretty boring hockey. Not a fun team to watch on a nightly basis.
But Dowd has been one of the bright spots on an otherwise dim team. He faces absolutely brutal deployments (he starts 8 shifts in the defensive zone for every 1 shift he gets to start in the offensive zone) against the opponent's top line forwards. He's an excellent shutdown center, who does a surprisingly good job chipping in offense given his role on the team and the match-ups he faces. Calling him "4C" is also underselling his role on the team as a whole, given that he has more ice time than per game than Connor McMichael (and only 4 seconds less of ESTOI/GP), and with the decline and subsequent LTIRment of Backstrom, the Caps can't really afford to try their other centers in the shutdown role to free Dowd of this duty to give him more offensive situations.
Equally important is the fact that Dowd isn't a rental. He still has one year remaining on a his very reasonable $1.3M deal after this season. And, in the situation described in the OP, if the Capitals would really retain 50% on the deal, the acquiring team would have their shutdown center locked up at only $650K against the cap (which is beneath the league minimum) next season. So that type of contract value is pretty damn hard to match.
Why do the Capitals move him? Because this team isn't going anywhere fast, and Dowd is 33. By the time they're ready to compete again, he will be on a new contract and likely declining. So sell him at a high point in his value, utilizing the cap situation to their advantage to maximize the return.
But Dowd has been one of the bright spots on an otherwise dim team. He faces absolutely brutal deployments (he starts 8 shifts in the defensive zone for every 1 shift he gets to start in the offensive zone) against the opponent's top line forwards. He's an excellent shutdown center, who does a surprisingly good job chipping in offense given his role on the team and the match-ups he faces. Calling him "4C" is also underselling his role on the team as a whole, given that he has more ice time than per game than Connor McMichael (and only 4 seconds less of ESTOI/GP), and with the decline and subsequent LTIRment of Backstrom, the Caps can't really afford to try their other centers in the shutdown role to free Dowd of this duty to give him more offensive situations.
Equally important is the fact that Dowd isn't a rental. He still has one year remaining on a his very reasonable $1.3M deal after this season. And, in the situation described in the OP, if the Capitals would really retain 50% on the deal, the acquiring team would have their shutdown center locked up at only $650K against the cap (which is beneath the league minimum) next season. So that type of contract value is pretty damn hard to match.
Why do the Capitals move him? Because this team isn't going anywhere fast, and Dowd is 33. By the time they're ready to compete again, he will be on a new contract and likely declining. So sell him at a high point in his value, utilizing the cap situation to their advantage to maximize the return.
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I was thinking this was Jim Dowd for some reason and was amazed that he was still in the league and even more amazed that a 1st would be offered for him
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Comparing Monahan and Dowd is just stupid. Nothing about their play has any similarities apart from position. Monahan is a decent 5-on-5 producer but mostly a PP specialist. Dowd is a shutdown center that plays absolutely brutal minutes and comes out looking really good. Dowd has 13 EVP, Monahan has 17.
The value in Dowd is that you can build a great checking line around him. He's looked great whoever is next to him, and he has made the players around him look great aswell.
His expected totals look brutal because he plays against top competition all the time and does so starting his shifts outside of the offensive-zone (12% zone starts), which would sink just about every top defensive player apart from peak Bergeron.
He has played nearly this entire season with Beck Malenstyn and Nicolas Aube-Kubel against top competition and so far that line has outscored their opponents 14-6 even-strength. That's a very impressive number given where they start their shifts and who they play against. Capitals as a team are -31 but that line has always held them together.
That said i still don't expect that he will return a 1st round pick. I don't think anyone will put that on the table and he'll stay since he's signed for another season.
The value in Dowd is that you can build a great checking line around him. He's looked great whoever is next to him, and he has made the players around him look great aswell.
His expected totals look brutal because he plays against top competition all the time and does so starting his shifts outside of the offensive-zone (12% zone starts), which would sink just about every top defensive player apart from peak Bergeron.
He has played nearly this entire season with Beck Malenstyn and Nicolas Aube-Kubel against top competition and so far that line has outscored their opponents 14-6 even-strength. That's a very impressive number given where they start their shifts and who they play against. Capitals as a team are -31 but that line has always held them together.
That said i still don't expect that he will return a 1st round pick. I don't think anyone will put that on the table and he'll stay since he's signed for another season.
Fair, but most fans don’t have the numbers to back up those assertions. He’s consistently given the hardest deployments and still excels in those matchups. Doesn’t matter who his wingers are, the Caps always have a very good 4th line with Dowd centering it.
Just because one dumb GM spent a 1st on a player slightly better than yours, doesn’t mean all GM’s will spend a first rounder.
Dowd is simply not enough of a needle mover to warrant a 1st rounder (neither is Monahan). Only way this makes sense is if the cabinet is bare and this becomes a sellers market (still unsure I would be happy as a fan)
As one other person stated above, if you are going to spend a late first on someone like Dowd, why not just package together another one and go after someone that is multiple levels better? If the Penguins sell Guentzel, two firsts is a good starting point.
Dowd is simply not enough of a needle mover to warrant a 1st rounder (neither is Monahan). Only way this makes sense is if the cabinet is bare and this becomes a sellers market (still unsure I would be happy as a fan)
As one other person stated above, if you are going to spend a late first on someone like Dowd, why not just package together another one and go after someone that is multiple levels better? If the Penguins sell Guentzel, two firsts is a good starting point.
