Seravalli: If Capitals retain 50 percent on Dowd, he could be traded for a first round pick

[Mickey Marner]

Any team trading a 1st for Nick Dowd deserves to miss the playoffs

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Not even remotely comparable...

Also a huge driving factor here for Dowd getting a 1st would be the fact that with 50% retention he'd only carry a $650k cap hit. That means getting your 4C for next year for $150k less than league minimum.

IMO first round picks, even low ones, are valued in the millions. This isn't worth it to save a few hundred thousand on cap.

Again, you could probably convert a decent winger or even a defenseman to C and end up with something more valuable than Dowd in your 4c slot.

 

[Coffee]

the only team that's got the balls to do that is tampa

And San Jose. Doesn’t make sense for San Jose atm, but they definitely got the balls to do it

 

[zar]

Good grief… it’s coming from Stauffer and Seravelli… its probably Holland.

I like Dowd but not worth a 1st… and Indont see who he’s replacing on the Oilers... he’s basically another Derek Ryan.

 

[The Great Weal]

Not even remotely comparable...

Also a huge driving factor here for Dowd getting a 1st would be the fact that with 50% retention he'd only carry a $650k cap hit. That means getting your 4C for next year for $150k less than league minimum.


Evans even at 50% retention is still more than the $800k league minimum next year.

A 200k cap hit difference is not a "huge driving factor" whatsoever.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

IMO first round picks, even low ones, are valued in the millions. This isn't worth it to save a few hundred thousand on cap.

Again, you could probably convert a decent winger or even a defenseman to C and end up with something more valuable than Dowd in your 4c slot.

100%, and I didn't mean to imply the $150k saving you get by having your 4C at $650k instead of $800k is worth a 1st.... But its definitely a factor that adds value.


Personally I think Dowd is a pretty fantastic 4C, a guy that can chip in 10-15 goals and 25 points while being solid defensively... Cant ask for more quite frankly.


I dont think Dowd gets a 1st, but absolutely think a 2nd+ would be pretty reasonable.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Does anyone want Tyler Johnson? He sucks, he’s injured and he’s expensive, but apparently he’s worth a first round pick.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Hey Nicky boy, you gonna love it in Long Island, let's do 6 yrs for $20 mil total.
Ciao, see you in a few days.

 

[Some Other Flame]

I mean, if Monahan brought back a first, then sure why not. GM's have either clearly lost it or think this draft is particularly weak so why not just throw away picks.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

The draft must be really, really bad this year if teams are seriously considering a first rounder for Nic Dowd. I'm not sure he's worth a first if you could retain 100% of his salary.

I think it's more teams especially in the west panicking after the Lindholm and Monahann trades.

If rumours are to be believed several teams thought they had more time on Lindholm to figure out cap space etc. flames don't retain and Kuzmenko while struggling was viewed as an asset by the flames.

Several guys said Chevy was forced into plan B and now other teams, Avs, Oilers etc will be forced into a sellers market and a guy like Dowd is cheap.
Not to sound like a dick nucks fan but they have had the jump on two of the bigger tdl players so far and not only improved but kept other teams from improving as well

 

[The Great Weal]

I mean, if Monahan brought back a first, then sure why not. GM's have either clearly lost it or think this draft is particularly weak so why not just throw away picks.

Yeah they are pretty much the same players, Monahan only has nearly triple his production.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Good grief… it’s coming from Stauffer and Seravelli… its probably Holland.

Yes. I could actually see Holland doing this.

Remember, Holland is the guy who decided not to retain Kyle Quincey's services and then traded a first for him three years later so he could stick him on the third pair in Detroit.

Tampa used that pick to draft Vasilievsky.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I mean, if Monahan brought back a first, then sure why not. GM's have either clearly lost it or think this draft is particularly weak so why not just throw away picks.

Yeah, I'd rather give a 1st for Dowd then Monahan quite frankly. At least with Dowd you're not going to try and force him further up the lineup and see him fail miserably like Monahan.

Plus, Dowd you get for 2 runs instead of 1 and at a cap hit below league minimum.

I wouldn't want to move a 1st for either of them, but if I had to pick one it'd be the 2 runs from Dowd over the failure waiting to happen in Monahan.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Worth noting that there are few comps of low ceiling players actually going for 1sts at the deadline in this era, rental or term. Beyond the aforementioned Goodrow, the list is just Gaustad.

I would hesitate on taking this too seriously for that reason. The "if x got a first, y will too" logic doesn't materialize all the time. I distinctly remember some Vancouver fans citing Ben Chiarot as justification for Luke Schenn getting a 1st. He returned a 3rd in the end. Look at some Flames fans and Zadorov on this board earlier this season. Same thing.

I know that Washington doesn't have to move him given his contract term.

 

[yukoner88]

Looks like the market is looking dowd on this

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

I would be utterly dumbfounded if a team gives the Capitals a first round pick for Dowd.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Worth noting that there are few comps of low ceiling players actually going for 1sts at the deadline in this era, rental or term. Beyond the aforementioned Goodrow, the list is just Gaustad.

I would hesitate on taking this too seriously for that reason. The "if x got a first, y will too" logic doesn't materialize all the time. I distinctly remember some Vancouver fans citing Ben Chiarot as justification for Luke Schenn getting a 1st. He returned a 3rd in the end. Look at some Flames fans and Zadorov on this board earlier this season. Same thing.

I know that Washington doesn't have to move him given his contract term.

Keep in mind Lars Eller returned a 2nd round pick last year as well though.


I would say Dowd for 2 playoff runs versus Eller for one would be more valuable... Doesn't necessarily mean 1st round pick territory for Dowd, but I dont think it should be a huge surprise if he does get a 1st.

I think most likely would be a 2nd + 4th type of return.

 

[super6646]

I mean, Tampa gave up a first for goodrow. Never say never.

 

[FrankMTL]

 

[MS]

A whole lot of people here calling Nic Dowd a 4C when he's been a 3C playing 15 minutes/game and scoring 15 goals and 30 points/82 for the last 3 or 4 years.

And if you can get a solid 3C at $600k for two playoff runs for a late 1st ... that actually is a pretty good deal.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

A whole lot of people here calling Nic Dowd a 4C when he's been a 3C playing 15 minutes/game and scoring 15 goals and 30 points/82 for the last 3 or 4 years.

And if you can get a solid 3C at $600k for two playoff runs for a late 1st ... that actually is a pretty good deal.

I mean.... That's part of the reason why the Caps haven't been a serious playoff team in quite a long time as well. Dowd would be a quality 4C on a playoff team. But if he's your 3C you dont really have cup aspirations.


But I do like the player and while I dont think he gets a 1st I'd bet money he gets a 2nd+ or perhaps a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st based on playoff success.

 

[MS]

I mean.... That's part of the reason why the Caps haven't been a serious playoff team in quite a long time as well. Dowd would be a quality 4C on a playoff team. But if he's your 3C you dont really have cup aspirations.


But I do like the player and while I dont think he gets a 1st I'd bet money he gets a 2nd+ or perhaps a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st based on playoff success.

The solid defensive 3C who has been driving positive goal differentials might be the only thing in Washington that *isn't* a problem.

 

[Rowlet]

Watch the Canucks get him too

He was pretty useless in Vancouver already, but he does seem like a Tocchet kind of guy so who knows

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Not even remotely comparable...

Also a huge driving factor here for Dowd getting a 1st would be the fact that with 50% retention he'd only carry a $650k cap hit. That means getting your 4C for next year for $150k less than league minimum.


Evans even at 50% retention is still more than the $800k league minimum next year.

Preparing for him being an AV? JK but Avs gotta do something at centre and Henrique is likely to costly based on your gms penchant for not a fan of bigger type deals.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I mean.... That's part of the reason why the Caps haven't been a serious playoff team in quite a long time as well. Dowd would be a quality 4C on a playoff team. But if he's your 3C you dont really have cup aspirations.


But I do like the player and while I dont think he gets a 1st I'd bet money he gets a 2nd+ or perhaps a conditional 2nd that could turn into a 1st based on playoff success.

This is stupid. There's no crazy difference in role, value or difficulty in someone who centers a teams 3rd or 4th line

if you give up a 1st for this guy, you better be able to comfortably play him on your teams 3rd line and lots of key situations

The draft must be really, really bad this year if teams are seriously considering a first rounder for Nic Dowd. I'm not sure he's worth a first if you could retain 100% of his salary.

There is no such thing as a bad draft (excluding hingsight) other than not having a clear 1st overall talent or really high end frachise chaning prospects at the very top. The range in which Washington will be picking with the hypoethetical 1st they get (22-32) is somwhere between longshot and crapshoot every year if you're gonna get someone who can even play in the league everyday for years.