Ideas and suggestions for a true World Cup

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I think even if it turns a profit as a Canadien thing and the rest of the world ignores it than to me that is still a bomb. I believe Gary wants to use this a leverage against the Olympics. So he can get more compensation from Olympic organizers. Besides the huge numbers for the Olympic gold medal games I remember a Russia v Czech game had about 3 million viewers not including the website which another million. The viewers numbers was quoted by many on the iihf web site as staggering. Even Brazil had many viewers. This world cup was suppose to be a step towards building a brand thatis the pinnacle of international hockey and one day overtake the olympics. Gary instead made a huge mistake and is now the laughing stock not only in Canada but the entire hockey world.

But the people who matter, the league execs, the owners and the PA execs, will be happy and consider it a success.

Actually, an injury or two might be enough to have the owners start questioning things... If say Jonathan Toews blows out his knee Rocky Wirtz isn't going to feel any better about the situation because he made a $1 million off the WCup instead of $0 off the Olympics or some other tournament.
 
How Finland celebrates Hockey success.

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How Sweden celebrates Hockey success.

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How Czechs celebrate Hockey success.

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How Russians celebrate Hockey success.



I can go on about how Canadians celebrate Olympic success.

Does anyone think that any country will be watching this tournament glued to the television to celebrate their countries success?

Will anyone here go out on the streets and wave their flag and sing their anthem at the top of their lungs?

Is anyone watching the World Cup of Rugby and seeing how a true international tournament is formed. Where an upset of a top team is celebrated in every other Rugby nation on the globe.

IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS ON THE ICE THAT MATTER. IT'S THE CITIZENS OF THE WORLD THAT DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

The stage of the event is what makes sports special.
Why are the Olympics special? because EVERYONE cares. (Nearly 4 billion Worldwide viewers for Sochi 2014)
Why is the World Cup of Football,Rugby Cricket special? Because EVERYONE cares. (Over 5 billion viewers for Brazil 2014)


Why is this tournament insulted left right and anywhere you can look.


BECAUSE

NO

ONE

CARES

It is not an international tournament. It is a money making initiative by corrupt people that only works in North America. If they had any balls whatsoever to make this work. You come to Europe first where majority of the Hockey countries play. This league failed again, and will continue to do so like it's done so throughout history. So we wait until 2018 Olympics to see real best on best Hockey.

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Great posts, streets across Canada are jammed after Olympic glory, arm in arm singing and dancing which continues until the next school/work day. It's a beautiful sight to behold.

Ain't happening for this cash grab. No national glory, how does winning this make anyone proud to be Canadian when an actual Team Canada might have to beat one of it's pillars and the future face of Canadian Hockey in McDavid who'll no doubt play a starring role in the 2018 Olympics.

It doesn't, it's meaningless.
 
No, however I think the concept of a real international tournament is a better sell. And has more of a chance to build tradition. I would rather see 8000 real Slovakia and Switzerland fans with faces painted and flag waving than 18000 people for lack of a better word because they are not fans watch team u-23. Fans of Stanley cup contenders still pack arenas even if there team is playing the woeful sabres. Why because of many reasons. But one reason is they understand the Sabres are a team trying to develop and one day become a contender. I was hoping the NHL would work with the IIHF and develop A true world cup. Currently we the iihf having the world championships with limited NHL participation. But if North Americans were properly introduced to international hockey they would understand that a team such as Switzerland has been building a strong program and producing good talent such as the Buffalo Sabres. And fans would appreciate a good effort against the major powers such as Canada or Russia. And if they pull an upset that would be a Stanley cup for a smaller hockey nation. I personally would of loved to see Denmark they have 10 NHLers and scouts have been saying Danish hockey has improve much in the past 10 years.

I do not know why this is such a difficult concept for you to understand, but unless the tournament is in Switzerland, you are not getting 8000 Swiss fans to show up. Same for Slovakia if the tournament is not in Bratislava or Prague.

Fans of Stanley Cup Contending teams show up to see their team play the Sabres because they want to see THEIR team play. Not because the Sabres are really trying hard to become a contender. Again, why is it so hard for you to understand? You want the NHL to work more with the IIHF, great. It is not going to happen, but feel free to waste your time wishing for it. The NHL is a business and like all businesses are going to act in their best interest. Growing the game in Denmark or Belgium is not going to do enough for the NHL to justify it.
 
I think even if it turns a profit as a Canadien thing and the rest of the world ignores it than to me that is still a bomb. I believe Gary wants to use this as leverage against the Olympics. So he can get more compensation from Olympic organizers. Besides the huge numbers for the Olympic gold medal games, I remember a Russia v Czech game had about 3 million viewers not including the website with another million. The viewers numbers was quoted by many on the iihf web site as staggering. Even Brazil had many viewers. This world cup was suppose to be a step towards building a brand that is the pinnacle of international hockey and one day overtake the olympics. Gary instead made a huge mistake and is now the laughing stock not only in Canada but the entire hockey world.
I don't think the NHL is concerned about what you think. Secondly, we all know about the viewership for the Olympics. However, and it has been beaten to death on this board, all those viewers have done NOTHING to help the NHL. The NHL does not see an increase in ticket sales or ratings or merchandise sales as a result of the Olympics. The only people benefitting from the NHL players being in the olympics is the IOC. Oh, and don't say the fans are benefitting because they get to see the players play for their country. This is a business first and foremost.
 
I do not know why this is such a difficult concept for you to understand, but unless the tournament is in Switzerland, you are not getting 8000 Swiss fans to show up. Same for Slovakia if the tournament is not in Bratislava or Prague.




Swiss fans travel to every international tournament. In REAL tournaments (Olympics, IIHF Worlds) people travel to support their country. This isn't boring nhl arena's where the arena's are filled with quiet people who don't know what they're watching.

It will be amazing to see that arena in Toronto filled with not one International fan! What a crowd, reminds me of the Stanley Cup final where I've heard alley ways louder then that arena in Chicago or Tampa Bay.
 
I don't think the NHL is concerned about what you think. Secondly, we all know about the viewership for the Olympics. However, and it has been beaten to death on this board, all those viewers have done NOTHING to help the NHL. The NHL does not see an increase in ticket sales or ratings or merchandise sales as a result of the Olympics. The only people benefitting from the NHL players being in the olympics is the IOC. Oh, and don't say the fans are benefitting because they get to see the players play for their country. This is a business first and foremost.

So now in 2015, we've seen Chinese people drafted, Australians drafted, More Germans, French, players coming about. One day in 10-15 years there'll be more and more players coming from countries we can't even reckon right now. There will be a Chinese invasion one day with the Olympics going there. People get introduced to the game through the Olympics and Worlds. People across the World don't watch the nhl. Everyone watches the Olympics. The Olympics is cream of the crop and when parents, children see that, it gets them started.

And one day this league will take them and use them to make money. O right, they'll keep complaining then I'm sure because they stopped for 2 weeks every 4 years.
 
This is first and foremost an american entrepise, everything it does is to maximise public interest in the usa.

Arguing with fans boys of this league is pointless. I wonder if bettman even has a passport to travel to other countries. Probably not, I'm guessing he views them as inferior people who can't love the game as well. :help:

I still remember his quote, we're worried we'll be off the map in our cities during the Olympics.

Idiots. They should have a competition to see who's more of an idiot bettman or blatter. Even blatter would probably lose that.
 
This is first and foremost an american entrepise, everything it does is to maximise public interest in the usa.

Nah... If the WCup was being held to "maximise public interest in the usa" it wouldn't be being held in Toronto or during September-October which is probably the absolute worst time to hold the event if you hope for it to gain traction in the US.
 
So now in 2015, we've seen Chinese people drafted, Australians drafted, More Germans, French, players coming about. One day in 10-15 years there'll be more and more players coming from countries we can't even reckon right now. There will be a Chinese invasion one day with the Olympics going there. People get introduced to the game through the Olympics and Worlds. People across the World don't watch the nhl. Everyone watches the Olympics. The Olympics is cream of the crop and when parents, children see that, it gets them started.

And one day this league will take them and use them to make money. O right, they'll keep complaining then I'm sure because they stopped for 2 weeks every 4 years.

Ok, so NOW do you get it? You understand that if the rest of the world does NOT watch the NHL, then the NHL is not benefitting from going to the Olympics. There is going to be a Chinese invasion where? To the NHL? Yeah, ok. Not in your lifetime. The olympics will still have hockey, just maybe without the NHL. So EVERYONE will still get their Olympic hockey every four years and children in China, Chile, and Indonesia will want to play hockey and someday a player will get drafted from that country. Yet, you want Bettman to tell his bosses THIS is the reason they need to shut down and go to the Olympics, instead of putting on a World Cup?
 
Nah... If the WCup was being held to "maximise public interest in the usa" it wouldn't be being held in Toronto or during September-October which is probably the absolute worst time to hold the event if you hope for it to gain traction in the US.

Exactly. Best time in the US to get attention is February. After the Super Bowl and before March Madness. Exactly when the Olympics are held, yet the NHL in the Olympics have done nothing to help the league.
 
But, I do love how this thread is supposed to be what YOU would do to make the World Cup better and it has turned into the whiners complaining about this tournament.
 
BECAUSE

NO

ONE

CARES

It is not an international tournament. It is a money making initiative by corrupt people that only works in North America. If they had any balls whatsoever to make this work. You come to Europe first where majority of the Hockey countries play. This league failed again, and will continue to do so like it's done so throughout history. So we wait until 2018 Olympics to see real best on best Hockey.

You obviously care a lot. I hate to break it to you but if anyone doesn't care in this situation it is that the NHL doesn't care about you. I can pretty much guarantee you are not a consumer of their product and never will be, so they are probably justified in that view. The NHL dipped their toes enough in Europe to realize the obvious, that because of the time differences involved, Europe will never represent a significant revenue stream to them. An NA based league would also never be accepted in Europe. The NHL will happily pay for whoever the best players are, regardless of where they are from, but if anything for marketing reasons they'd probably prefer that all the top players were from NA.

Sorry to be so blunt, but the NHL doesn't care about you and they shouldn't.
 
I should add that I'm sure it sucks seeing your best players always leaving for NA, but it's also something I imagine European Football leagues have been doing to other continents for much longer, so I guess what goes around comes around.
 
My dear god you don't get it.

It is about money.

It's not a charity for the 5k fans in Germany or whatever other country thinks the NHLPA and NHL should give them.

That is exactly the arrogant "we are relevant, you are not" attitude of the NHL/Canada that makes people refuse to get into that tournament whatsoever.
 
I should add that I'm sure it sucks seeing your best players always leaving for NA, but it's also something I imagine European Football leagues have been doing to other continents for much longer, so I guess what goes around comes around.

Last football World Cup was held in Brazil.
 
Of course people go to NHL to watch their own team. But they have belief that their opponent is a respectable organization. I do not think the Blackhawks would sell out vs a beer league team. This is my point about Slovakia and Switzerland. They are respectable national programs that produce players that go to the NHL or make a nice living playing in elite Euro leagues. If North American fans realize that there is other leagues in Europe that have passionate fan bases maybe they would have more respect for them. Too many NHL fans think anything besides the NHL is garbage and this is not true. Check out The Swedish hockey league or the KHL. Good leagues passionate fans and good productions. It is very interesting to see how different cultures react in the stands. It is a great time to be a sports fan with the internet. It is great to see many cultures around the world love and play the game I love. I am lobbying for a true world cup with qualifying rounds and only national teams, to create an event that would bring the hockey world together. I know we have the Olympics but I agreed that NHL deserved to make the profit. I am a capitalist. But this world cup is not what I and many fans of international hockey wanted. THE END! See you in our next debate the stupid loser point and how it causes more games to go to overtime. But that is another day.
 
You obviously care a lot. I hate to break it to you but if anyone doesn't care in this situation it is that the NHL doesn't care about you. I can pretty much guarantee you are not a consumer of their product and never will be, so they are probably justified in that view. The NHL dipped their toes enough in Europe to realize the obvious, that because of the time differences involved, Europe will never represent a significant revenue stream to them. An NA based league would also never be accepted in Europe. The NHL will happily pay for whoever the best players are, regardless of where they are from, but if anything for marketing reasons they'd probably prefer that all the top players were from NA.

Sorry to be so blunt, but the NHL doesn't care about you and they shouldn't.



This really isn't a North American vs European issue considering the NHL is marginalizing the American consumer as well.

The NHL is promoting this as a legitimate 'best v best'....yet all games are in Toronto?...during the jam-packed September-October American sporting season?...and Team USA is prohibited from fielding its best roster?

In going ahead with this money grab paraded as an international tournament, the NHL is insulting and neglecting its largest fan base.
 
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But, I do love how this thread is supposed to be what YOU would do to make the World Cup better and it has turned into the whiners complaining about this tournament.

You're right and to get this thread back on topic...

I would tell the Swedes to take a hike and replace them with a O31 team!:sarcasm:
 
So now in 2015, we've seen Chinese people drafted, Australians drafted, More Germans, French, players coming about. One day in 10-15 years there'll be more and more players coming from countries we can't even reckon right now. There will be a Chinese invasion one day with the Olympics going there. People get introduced to the game through the Olympics and Worlds. People across the World don't watch the nhl. Everyone watches the Olympics. The Olympics is cream of the crop and when parents, children see that, it gets them started.
This is not something that holds true for the "developing" hockey countries, but established ones as well. Perhaps the NHL is seen as the ultimate goal for any aspiring hockey junior in North America, but elsewhere, Russia, Finland, Sweden and so forth, its more a means to an end. And that end is one day being a venerated national hero. When a kid first ties his skates and takes those first aspiring strides on the ice, he does NOT think about hoisting the cup while wearing the jersey of the Habs, Bruins or the Hawks - but standing on ice and watching his country's flag go up while the national anthem plays. And there is no greater epitome feeding that dream than the Olympic Games every four years or so.

However, to get to that moment, the best way is to become an NHLer. Therefore, many a kid sets the league in his sights regardless. Now, I think the people who claim that the Olympics do nothing to raise the league's viewer market are pretty much right - tuning into olympic hockey does not mean same people will later tune into the NHL. But what the league has obviously not considered, is that by having a clammy stance towards the international game, they're certainly hurting the quality of players available to them in the future.

Best note though, that I'm not implying by this that these kids, when they grow up, will simply settle for the KHL or various other European leagues. Those who do pick up the game will still go where the money is. But if the positive buzz around a country's national team dies, it will mean that many of these kids who could otherwise one day be world class in hockey, simply pick up other sports that seem to offer a more likely road into national reverence.

The Olympics may not be good for the NHL in a manner that is directly observable, but they are good for the game as a whole. And in the long run, the NHL will also benefit from it. Therefore, it seems quite incomprehensible that the NHL execs favor the quick buck over long-term benefits, especially since the price is extremely light, especially when compared to most other sports around. Instead of having to adhere to regular international breaks multiple times a year as is the case with soccer (and soon will be the case with basketball as well), all that's required of them is to shut down the league and work with the world's governing body for a couple of weeks every other year or so.


And oh, to stay on topic... the true World Cup?

1. Invite the best hockey countries in the world based on the latest international results. NTs only. No gimmicks.
2. Have the participants piece their teams together using whatever players available to them, no matter the league they play in.
3. Let the tournament run its course.

That's it.
 
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My point was that I'm sure many, for example, South American soccer fans are equally upset that their best players leave and play for European clubs.
At least said players constantly commute back home during international breaks, which are many a year.
 
But what the league has obviously not considered, is that by having a clammy stance towards the international game, they're certainly hurting the quality of players available to them in the future.

The NHL realizes that people want to see the best players. What you don't realize is that the NHL would prefer that the best players all come from within their own customer base. It is much easier for them to market and build a connection with their fans if the players are "locals". One need only look at the nightmare the LPGA has faced in trying to market so many Korean players to their NA audience.

Most people won't miss what they never had. Think about it, your favorite player today would probably be unheard of if everyone on earth played hockey...
 
The NHL realizes that people want to see the best players. What you don't realize is that the NHL would prefer that the best players all come from within their own customer base. It is much easier for them to market and build a connection with their fans if the players are "locals". One need only look at the nightmare the LPGA has faced in trying to market so many Korean players to their NA audience.
All the NHL clubs would have to do in that case is to stop offering contracts to European players. Why don't they?
 
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