Ideas and suggestions for a true World Cup

[stars33]

After the Crosby's gold medal winning goal vs the US in 2010 olympics. Bettman was interviewed sometime after about how tremendous the game was. I remember he looked like he was jealous he kept referring that these high talented games were played on a nightly basis in th NHL. I really believe now after these world cup and ryder cup ideas that he does not get it. He really believes great talent is the only ingredient needed to make a entertaining sporting event. Bettman seems to miss that passion and a connection to the teams playing is also needed. And the more people passionately connected the bigger the spectacle. We fans put the meaning in to the games. Without fans displaying passion and emotion in the stands a sporting event is lifeless and dull. There will be no passionate fans connected to team u 23 and team Europe and this will result in dull hockey no matter what players are out there. Proof of this is team Toews vs team foligno. If I was a NHL owner and Bettman came to me with these world cup and ryder cup proposals. I would seriously ask him to step down as commissioner of the NHL.

 

[xxxx]

There is nothing wrong with making money. Bettman is so dumb that he does not understand international hockey. If he produce a proper world cup he would make more money. This world cup is going to be a disaster.

no, it's not. Stop it, please.

 

[QnebO]

Betman has no clue about the point of international games. Probably he thinks it's European version of All-Star Game.

 

[stars33]

no, it's not. Stop it, please.

The disasters under Bettman. 2004-05 lost season, Atlanta thrashers, the toe in the crease rule, john spano buying the Islanders, 2 more locked out 1/2 seasons, the OTL point, scoring at it lowest levels despite rules to increase scoring, dropped by ESPN, the southeast division, the Arizona Coyotes, no long term agreement with the iihf. And that is only off the top of my head.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Japan just beat South Africa at the World Cup.

That's as if Slovenia would beat Canada at the 2018 Olympics.

But of course in the nhl exhibition cash grab cup, Slovakia, Switzerland, Norway, Austria,Latvia, Slovenia can't participate because this is a league that doesn't understand that when playing for your country it's more emotional then playing league games and people play out games of their lives.

This is a league where only making money is important!

Rugby World Cup, what an incredible event, people around the World attendening, cultures being showed, music being danced too, reminds me of the IIHF World Championship on a much a grander scale.

This is what it means playing for one's nation. Unreal, and it's only 2 days in!

Imagine this nhl exhibition cash grab cup after 2 days, people won't even realize it's going on in most parts of the World. Afterall holding a press conference in Toronto signals to Moscow, Prague, Bratislava, Helsinki, Stockholm that something important is happening in the sporting World. While the Rugby World Cup trophy travels the entire planet, just like the Cricket World Cup trophy, wonder buttman and co know they'll have to use some of that money to create a trophy.

Wonder if they'll create a culture show like done here, but then again, judging by how this league is promoted in one country only, there's no culture apart from the Euro's.

Feel sorry for people who'll pay to watch this. But then again, it's Toronto.

 

[mattihp]

The disasters under Bettman. 2004-05 lost season, Atlanta thrashers, the toe in the crease rule, john spano buying the Islanders, 2 more locked out 1/2 seasons, the OTL point, scoring at it lowest levels despite rules to increase scoring, dropped by ESPN, the southeast division, the Arizona Coyotes, no long term agreement with the iihf. And that is only off the top of my head.

Wow. That puts things in perspective. So much going into the toilet in such a short time span. Almost award-worthy.

 

[1Gold Standard]

There's only one true and valid suggestion for this incarnation of the Gary Bettman Classic masquerading as an international tournament, and that's cancel the whole show. It's a dog tournament with Gary Bettman fleas. I'll be watching baseball next September.

 

[xxxx]

The disasters under Bettman. 2004-05 lost season, Atlanta thrashers, the toe in the crease rule, john spano buying the Islanders, 2 more locked out 1/2 seasons, the OTL point, scoring at it lowest levels despite rules to increase scoring, dropped by ESPN, the southeast division, the Arizona Coyotes, no long term agreement with the iihf. And that is only off the top of my head.

thanks for naming the things you don't like, not necessarily bad things or things that are his fault (low scoring, wtf?, how's that his fault?). And that includes the World Cup. It's your opinion that it's a bad thing. As you can see, some people like it (I would say more than you think). The NHL, and Bettman, at least try to make some interesting tournament with all the best players in the NHL, plus the idea of those two teams might be questionable for some, but still interesting. Then, he's still been able to go to 5 straight olympics, even when many people thought that there was no way the NHL would go to Sochi. Moreover, the league will probably go to 2018 and 2022 olympics.

Bettman did a lot of good things for the NHL even if many fans don't realize that. He moved the Trashers to Winnipeg and will likely give another team to Canada.

When we talk about it, did you notice that Rene Fasel, the president of the IIHF, actually likes the format of WC? (he said so, at least) Or that the WC agreement includes IIHF on it?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

thanks for naming the things you don't like, not necessarily bad things or things that are his fault (low scoring, wtf?, how's that his fault?). And that includes the World Cup. It's your opinion that it's a bad thing. As you can see, some people like it (I would say more than you think). The NHL, and Bettman, at least try to make some interesting tournament with all the best players in the NHL, plus the idea of those two teams might be questionable for some, but still interesting. Then, he's still been able to go to 5 straight olympics, even when many people thought that there was no way the NHL would go to Sochi. Moreover, the league will probably go to 2018 and 2022 olympics.

Bettman did a lot of good things for the NHL even if many fans don't realize that. He moved the Trashers to Winnipeg and will likely give another team to Canada.

When we talk about it, did you notice that Rene Fasel, the president of the IIHF, actually likes the format of WC? (he said so, at least) Or that the WC agreement includes IIHF on it?

Everyone loves the new World Cup except overly sensitive euro hockey fans that feel the importance of Europe is being respected. Whatever. I hope the NHL does it right and holds it in Toronto or New York every year, and that's it. Maximize the money, build up tradition and stay in a time zone that will get the most ratings. Europeans are used to waking up for North American TV events anyways.

 

[stars33]

Everyone loves the new World Cup except overly sensitive euro hockey fans that feel the importance of Europe is being respected. Whatever. I hope the NHL does it right and holds it in Toronto or New York every year, and that's it. Maximize the money, build up tradition and stay in a time zone that will get the most ratings. Europeans are used to waking up for North American TV events anyways.

Hey buddy what you described is not a WORLD cup. Not including other nations to qualify or host is another NHL all star game. And also I do not know where you are from but who do you know who loves it. Most American fans do not like the concept of there players being used for international teams no matter how good it is for the game. And now you are taking the meaning out of it with video game teams. Casual US sports fans are not going to give it a glance with Football and baseball pennant races going on at same time. American baseball fans have been slow to respond to the world baseball classic. You are telling me you would add team Latino and a under 23 team to get fans interested in the WBC?

 

[mattihp]

Team Gary

Vs

Team Bettman

New teams in the all new World Cup.

Team Gary will consist of players named Gary or any other version of that same name. Team Bettman will be made up of players who either have or have had gambling problems.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

The league needs an international division / International Hockey ops team. It's becoming way too american following the steps of the two leagues that aren't global and can't be compared in the nfl and mlb. Hockey is a global sport like Basketball and there is no international exposure and they only concentrate on one goal in one country. It's the only blind league in World sports at the moment, it's embarassing. Even a silly sport like American Football is trying to branch out even though it has no chance.

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

Japan just beat South Africa at the World Cup.

That's as if Slovenia would beat Canada at the 2018 Olympics.

But of course in the nhl exhibition cash grab cup, Slovakia, Switzerland, Norway, Austria,Latvia, Slovenia can't participate because this is a league that doesn't understand that when playing for your country it's more emotional then playing league games and people play out games of their lives.

This is a league where only making money is important!

Rugby World Cup, what an incredible event, people around the World attendening, cultures being showed, music being danced too, reminds me of the IIHF World Championship on a much a grander scale.

This is what it means playing for one's nation. Unreal, and it's only 2 days in!

Imagine this nhl exhibition cash grab cup after 2 days, people won't even realize it's going on in most parts of the World. Afterall holding a press conference in Toronto signals to Moscow, Prague, Bratislava, Helsinki, Stockholm that something important is happening in the sporting World. While the Rugby World Cup trophy travels the entire planet, just like the Cricket World Cup trophy, wonder buttman and co know they'll have to use some of that money to create a trophy.

Wonder if they'll create a culture show like done here, but then again, judging by how this league is promoted in one country only, there's no culture apart from the Euro's.

Feel sorry for people who'll pay to watch this. But then again, it's Toronto.

If only the IIHF was a quarter as well run as the IRB we would have had a proper hockey World Cup years ago. Time to overthrow the self serving euro centrists running the iihf!

 

[DyerMaker66*]

2) Games in Toronto are quiet because their team has been lousy. The passion is there, I have been to Toronto for games and have seen it. There are also plenty of hockey lovers within a driving distance to Toronto that do not care about the Leafs.

No, they're quiet because people at the game are there for business and not the hockey game.

 

[Rob]

Since the NHL is probably not going to participate in the next two Olympics I think they should take a break during the season to host it. September is just a bad time.

 

[Rob]

Everyone loves the new World Cup except overly sensitive euro hockey fans that feel the importance of Europe is being respected.

Seriously, are you new to the board? You will find plenty of North Americans complaining about the new stupid format.

 

[1Gold Standard]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-nhlpa-project-windfall-profit-for-world-cup-of-hockey-1.363970

add on corporate ads on jerseys, you may as well kiss goodbye to any true International Best on Best tournament forever...goodbye NHL Olympics, no more classic and true World/Canada Cup...never will we see your like again...

just some silly NHL gimmicky exhibition preseason mean nothing snooze fest just to make $$$. Count me out, it will get neither my $$$ or my eyeballs.

 

[cutchemist42]

Baseball is also showing the NHL how to better run a tourney as well, with qualification being hosted in minor baseball countries, as well as reward up-and-coming programs like Pakistan with invites.

This is related to one of my big gripes, Donald Fehr helped create a better tournament in the WBC, and it didnt translate over to his work with the NHLPA.

 

[cutchemist42]

Since the NHL is probably not going to participate in the next two Olympics I think they should take a break during the season to host it. September is just a bad time.

This tournament to me sounded so much better when the initial plans were for World Cup breaks every 4 years in Feb.

 

[therealdeal]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-nhlpa-project-windfall-profit-for-world-cup-of-hockey-1.363970

add on corporate ads on jerseys, you may as well kiss goodbye to any true International Best on Best tournament forever...goodbye NHL Olympics, no more classic and true World/Canada Cup...never will we see your like again...

just some silly NHL gimmicky exhibition preseason mean nothing snooze fest just to make $$$. Count me out, it will get neither my $$$ or my eyeballs.

In all fairness, the IIHF have been using ads on jerseys for a long time now, probably not really worth getting worked up about.

 

[FiLe]

In all fairness, the IIHF have been using ads on jerseys for a long time now, probably not really worth getting worked up about.

Ironically, the amount of ads is probably one thing we whining euros don't find all that bizarre. And you might say it's doubly ironic because it's NA that's considered the the home continent of consumerism.

TBH, it's not like the ads on WHC jerseys are all that intrusive. There's a small strip on the sleeve and another on helmet. Both must also be from the same sponsor, if I'm not mistaken. However, all the practice tournament sweaters are absolutely plastered.

But hey, that would probably just help the European teams get into mood. Just another silly set of 2nd-rate NT games with little to no consequence...

 

[Spectra]

NHL rink, NHL rules. Played every 4 years in one host country rotating between CAN, US, Sweden and Russia.

CAN, USA, RUS, SWE, FIN, CZE are automatically qualified.

2 spots are fought for by 8 highest ranked countries after the above 6. That would be Switzerland, Slovakia, Belarus, Latvia, Norway, France, Germany and Slovenia the latest ranking I saw. One qualifying group, one game against each team, top 2 make the tourney.

8 teams in the tourney, 2 groups, one game against each in the group to determine the ranking for the Q-finals.

Hockey pleasure will be had by all.

This gimmick **** that's happening this year reeks of hubris and greed, will not watch.

 

[xxxx]

No offence guys, but I believe when this all comes, I bet you will watch at least something. Too much interesting even if I would totally hate the idea.

 

[KriminellPipa]

No offence guys, but I believe when this all comes, I bet you will watch at least something. Too much interesting even if I would totally hate the idea.

I will watch. Will I care? No. But hopefully it will be entertaining with some nice goals. It is what it is, an exhibition tournament.

 

[1Gold Standard]

No offence guys, but I believe when this all comes, I bet you will watch at least something. Too much interesting even if I would totally hate the idea.

I plan on not watching a second of it. zero interest.

oh and BTW. small sample size...but I did spend 4-5 days in T.O. recently (work related) and while out and about with coworkers after hours, I asked about 12-14 people (all sports fans to varying degrees) what their interest level is in this gimmicky world cup...

4 said they would most likely watch...
4 said (the same group of 4) they would consider buying tickets if pricing was reasonable or could score some comp'd corporate tics. In true Toronto fashion.
Everybody else? Didn't really have an opinion, and haven't really given it any thought.

And since all of them are currently swept up in the exploits of the Blue Jays (including me), if it comes down to a choice next year, a pennant race involving the Blue Jays or the gimmicky world cup....then I'm afraid the interest in the gimmicky word cup drops to zero.

and even though there were 13,000 in attendance at the ACC for the 1st Maple Leafs preseason game at the same time the Blue Jays were playing up the street, I'll remind you that there are more Maple Leaf fans in Toronto than there are hockey fans.

So, I'm not entirely convinced that this gimmicky world cup is the slam dunk in Canada that the New York City lawyers seem to think it is.