I'd give Keefe till the 20 game mark

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Meh, we're 20 games in with a not so ideal goalie situation.

And yet, there we are 2nd in our division.

If it's true that you can usually tell who's gonna make it to the playoffs after the 20 game mark, well I think we should be pleased.

I guess the problems we're worried about is we should be even better.

Bruins 11 points up on us after 20 is nuts.
Making the playoffs and succeeding in the playoffs are two different things.

I think the idea that our regular seasons totals are a hedge against continued failure might have been timely (and I argued as much) a season or two ago.

But the problems aren't numbers. We have absolutely jumped the shark there. Consecutive Rocket winner, team records, etc...Great.

Our calculations have to shift towards other indicators in order to worry differently. And what I mean by that is (using your word "worried") there's a peripheral eye-test not being met. All valid problems and concerns that you've pointed out as others have. It's not the anomalous stuff that's worrisome.

It's the affect of a team that appears over and over again to be listless, confused and apathetic. Maybe that speaks to the quality of our bottom six and lack of menace on the blueline. Or maybe there's a problem with discipline. Because the team character doesn't convey a sense of industry.

My personal call to move Keefe, to trade Kerfoot on principal -- even and especially when we're winning, and in light of Borje Salming not being able to move the inspirational dial -- is an observation against the numbers and entirely about character and resiliency.

I think it's unlikely that our club finally finds itself under Keefe..."this time." by way of demonstration these past 20 or so games. I think our opportunity to come out of the gate hungry was collectively shelved in favour of acclimation and comfort. And sure, some our talent is elite and they can turn it on...in the regular season.

This idea of "turning it on" only works in the regular season.

I think on top of a championship acumen, what a coach like Barry Trotz might convey is the golden rule of work ethic in a way Keefe can't.

Boston's ahead perhaps in small part because irrespective of who is coaching, there's a cohesion of learned experience in the room that is not allowed to be compromised.

What about our group speaks to an identity that regards compromise as something detestable?

Shanahan once imposed a January deadline on Randy Carlisle. I think it might be here for Keefe. If it's April/May, do we run the risk of losing out on Trotz or Quenneville? Is that the type of managerial decision we want to engage in, all allowances known, with this group, two years from a historic franchise piece deciding his future?

For a player that just won the Rocket twice, upped his physical game, declared he just wants to win, aaaannd, is on record as saying he wants another goal song...I hope management is considering all possible outcomes with a dispassionate eye to the near and distant future.
 
I think Coach Keefe deserves a good amount of credit for how the team has played over the past week. Leafs three highest paid and best defensemen are all out with injuries and he’s got the team playing rock solid, lockdown defensive hockey. The promoted guys on defence have fit the teams system like a glove and there is total buy in from the forwards towards defence.

 
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You can't deny that we play with a strong structure.

If Leafs fail, it's not because Keefe can't coach. I see the structure he wants them to play, I see his unhappy reaction to the same plays I am unhappy about. The team and players know what is expected of them.

It's why it's up to Dubas to really assess his team and think of how he wants them to look come playoffs. If he and Keefe are assessing this team in this manner, there are no limits. They have to step back though.

No matter how we paint this, again, this is NOT the playoffs. Committed players get up for the playoffs and some simply just want it more. It's that simple They have the sheer willingness to take it and won't be denied.

Dubas used the word presence about some past pickups and it's the best word for what this team could use on the 3rd and 4th lines. Guys who when they hit the ice with the stars you KNOW are going to be a dog on a bone in a series.

Players other teams will not enjoy playing against. I will say it until I'm blue in the face, this is what they need before the playoffs begin.
 
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The season is long and always has ups and downs. We want the ups to stick around and the downs to get banished quickly. But some here actually wish us to do poorly because they want coaches and GMs fired. They think they are just super-intelligent fans who know better than everyone else. Bet they don't post as much when we're winning but the moment we lose, they back in swarms
 
The season is long and always has ups and downs. We want the ups to stick around and the downs to get banished quickly. But some here actually wish us to do poorly because they want coaches and GMs fired. They think they are just super-intelligent fans who know better than everyone else. Bet they don't post as much when we're winning but the moment we lose, they back in swarms
No one wants them to lose. Those wanting changes are hoping for wins, lots of wins.
 
Here is what I think will be telling.

Obviously Reilly and Brodie are better hockey players than Mete and Hollowell.

Will Keefe keep his defense first strategy when those two come back and continue to push his forwards to play a 200 foot game.

It's easy to get buy in while your 1 and 2 goalies and top 3 D are out injured. Run and gun would get them torched.

Play the same system with Reilly and Brodie and they might actually be in business come April
 
Its looking more like Dubas is the problem, not Keefe.

I think problem is a strong word here. This team that Keefe is coaching is mostly constructed by Dubas. I do think at some point Dubas needs to address the supporting cast and replace them with players with an actual role or niche, but we’ve still got time for him to do something.
 
Keefe is a lot more educated about defense than a lot of people think.

This is still a patchwork D that's very thin and Keefe has them playing very defensively sound.
 
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How was their record last November? Until they accomplish something in the playoffs, Dubas and Keefe and this team suck. They are playing well though

Yeah, I love what I am seeing. They are dismantling teams but I am from Missouri and they need to show me they can do this is April. Fool me once shame on you fool me 4 times shame on me.
 
Yes, but have we not been exactly here MANY times before this year? It's meaningless, when we keep taking huge dumps in the middle of our bed, each post-season.

We keep wringing our hands when they play badly. And then we thump our chests and say "TOLD YA SO" when they look great.........in the regular season. Who cares how good we look in November? Until we go deep in the spring, it's just watching a bunch of skilled softies playing some pond hockey. Meh.


So giving Keefe 20 games was pointless. You want him fired regardless.

Keefe and the team are doing well. He is earning his chance at another playoff run. Lots of heads will roll if they fail in the playoffs again.
 

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