Agreed 100%. You can't trade him as if you are a seller at the deadline. An immediate impact player has to come back in return if you were to make that trade.
I have serious concerns for next year (2023-24)
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Brew
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TMLBlueandWhite
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Leafs fans confidence at lowest point of Shanahan era, front office competency ranks 27th in 32 team league.
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"Despite this team’s talent and potential, many fans expect them to finish where they did last season. That feels like it would ultimately be a disappointment. But that, too, is what it feels like to be a Leafs fan, I guess."
The fans have every right to be disappointed.
Disappointment isn't even a strong enough word. It feels worse than that. Much, much, worse.
It feels like we were given something and it was taken away.
That's what it really feels like. All that hope from just a few short years ago is gone. The results just haven't been there to keep fans optimistic.
I'm not lowering my expectations again.
At some point results have to meet expectations. Not expectations lowered to meet results. Once fans start showing they expect better maybe they'll actually get better.
Expect more = get more.
The fans have waited long enough. It's up to the team to win now. "Wait until next year" is no longer acceptable.
It never should have been in the first place.
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People feel differently about the Leafs than they did a few years ago, that much is clear.
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"Despite this team’s talent and potential, many fans expect them to finish where they did last season. That feels like it would ultimately be a disappointment. But that, too, is what it feels like to be a Leafs fan, I guess."
The fans have every right to be disappointed.
Disappointment isn't even a strong enough word. It feels worse than that. Much, much, worse.
It feels like we were given something and it was taken away.
That's what it really feels like. All that hope from just a few short years ago is gone. The results just haven't been there to keep fans optimistic.
I'm not lowering my expectations again.
At some point results have to meet expectations. Not expectations lowered to meet results. Once fans start showing they expect better maybe they'll actually get better.
Expect more = get more.
The fans have waited long enough. It's up to the team to win now. "Wait until next year" is no longer acceptable.
It never should have been in the first place.
ToneDog
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Team is poised to win the Atlantic. Tre just needs to tweak the D some to give us a chance to get out of the East. How he does it, I have no idea given the cupboard is pretty much bare.
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I'm still wondering whom they sacrifice to get under the cap?
If they demote all three waivers-exempt players shown on their CapFriendly roster, that's still not enough. If they put Dylan Gambrell on waivers as well, they might lose him and they would be down to 11 forwards and seven defencemen.
Would Timmins or Giordano be a cap casualty instead?
Plus, I don't realistically picture the Leafs demoting Knies, let alone all three of Knies, Holmberg and Robertson.
Who stays and who goes?
I had rather expected a meaningful trade to come that would settle the roster, but there's no sign of one coming. Will it be another season of constantly trimming around the edges?
If they demote all three waivers-exempt players shown on their CapFriendly roster, that's still not enough. If they put Dylan Gambrell on waivers as well, they might lose him and they would be down to 11 forwards and seven defencemen.
Would Timmins or Giordano be a cap casualty instead?
Plus, I don't realistically picture the Leafs demoting Knies, let alone all three of Knies, Holmberg and Robertson.
Who stays and who goes?
I had rather expected a meaningful trade to come that would settle the roster, but there's no sign of one coming. Will it be another season of constantly trimming around the edges?
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My guess is Treliving wants to see a few guys before making a trade. If he can’t get it done before the season starts it may mean Knies gets waived until they get it sorted out.
My whole point is that waiving Knies is not enough.
There must be something else pending.
ToneDog
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"waiving Knies" is not the right term we should be using. He might be sent down but he is not being "waived".
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I think I read somewhere if the Leafs trade Jarnkrok and waive Jones then we'd get under the cap. Might not be a trade that excites everybody but it could get us a pretty good draft pick or 2 since teams would value him a bit.
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At the very least, the cap space comes back to give options for balancing out the team.
The unprecedented experiment of half the cap on 4 forwards has proven to be a failure. The past 5 years have all been "but you can't trade any of our expensive forwards without amazing returns". Ok. I guess we can't. And I guess in the mean time we'll keep failing in the playoffs do to flawed and unprecedented team design. Better to lose early in the playoffs each year than to "lose a trade".
Makes sense to some I guess.
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Ya I don’t get this crazy narrative either.
What has that got to do with anything
It's not that we don't want to trade Marner/Nylander/Matthews under any circumstances, you absolutely have to WIN a trade if you trade any 1 of those players though. It's either that or you're waving the flag on the era and starting over. Try and connect the dots here:
You trade one of your good players for 2-3 not as good players. You've lost the trade. The team is worse. Somehow you think this will lead to BETTER results?
It's the equivalent of trading a $20 bill for a $10 and a $5 thinking you're gonna be richer just because you have more bills.
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ACC1224
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Are you trying to bait me into insulting you so I can get permabanned?
Me (Leafs) : I have $20 (Mitch Marner)
Some guy: I'll trade you a $10 and a $5 for your $20
Me: I now have $15. The guy has $20.
The analogy I was making before I had to explain the basics of arithmetic to you is that a lot of people here are only interested in trading Marner for the sake of trading Marner rather than winning the trade. You absolutely have to win a trade if you are trading Marner, full stop. The point is to get better not just to trade players you don't like.
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Just pointing out your analogy makes no sense. If you take 20 off the cap and replace it with 15, you have 5 left to spend plus whichever other player is released since you're bringing in 2 for 1. Perhaps come up with a better analogy and it won't be questioned.
I do agree you won't win a Marner trade and I certainly wouldn't be behind that but I can see how some can feel a better distribution of cap is the way to go.
The ones that just repeat endlessly, game 3 vs Florida, puck over the glass, just get rid of him aren't worth the time to discuss anything with.
People trade $20 bills for less money all the time when exchanging currencies if thats the need.
Racer88
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No it doesn’t it’s a silly narrative put forth by some young people, not all young people but the ones that have no legit argument or rebuttal. It’s their easy way out to resort to name calling rather then learn about both sides of an issue
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As of Nov 5th
- Every single decision Tre has made has been bad (extending Keefe, Reaves, Domi and Klingberg)
- The team is absolutely complacent, FFS Keefe needed to have a team meeting to say "guys you know you probably should stand up for each other"
- I also said I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and right now they are barely holding onto a wildcard spot
As of Nov 5th
- Every single decision Tre has made has been bad (extending Keefe, Reaves, Domi and Klingberg)
- The team is absolutely complacent, FFS Keefe needed to have a team meeting to say "guys you know you probably should stand up for each other"
- I also said I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and right now they are barely holding onto a wildcard spot
Nov 23 last year leafs had 27 points
If that's the benchmark the talking heads say that u evaluate your team we ll see
MSLE needs to blow this up .
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