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Hypothetical If Arizona Pick Bedard would a Matthews/Bedard deal be possible?

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hamzarocks said:
Mcdavid has been top 3 in ppg since his rookie season I believe.

OV did not have that long a streak, he was only top 3 I think 4 out of his first 5 years and fell hard after that mostly outside of 2013 and 2015.

Crosby was closer but he was just to injured and didn't have the absolute offensive dominance that a Mcdavid has had imo.

Mcdavid after this year, (assuming he wins the ross which will likely be by 20+ points again) will be at 5. If he ends with another 3 rosses, that's 8 in total and puts him in Gretzky/Lemiuex tier for consistent offensive dominance.

Mcdavid won't be winning 40-50 point rosses, but he's basically the unanimous ross favorite every year since 2017 onwards.
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Sure which is why he will likely be ranked ahead of Crosby. But look at their points per game compared to the rest of the NHL after Crosby's 26 year old season.

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Realistically Gretzky is in a tier of his own here, then it's Lemieux >> McDavid/Crosby.

Now if you want to add playoffs to the mix Crosby is the leader in points and points per game with 23 less games played than 2nd place in points and McDavid is 25th in points and 2nd in points per game behind Draisaitl. I don't see how you conclude McDavid is in a tier with Gretzky rather than Crosby just because of Crosby's injuries when his per game performance was right on par with McDavid's on a relative basis.
 
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Racer88 said:
13m I would be shocked as that’s not much of a raise and he will want every penny he can squeeze out of the Leafs. Dubas has zero leverage with the no trade clause
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This doesn't take effect until July 1st 2023, so the Leafs have up until the eve of Free Agency
 
Sundinisagod said:
Arizona isn't trading a cost controlled superstar for a superstar who will cost around 15m per.
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Ehh I dunno .. Bedard's marketability is somewhat limited in markets where hockey isn't that big. They can hype him all they want but Matthews' might have a bigger name draw at this point in time. If they could have Matthews' re-signed long term there's some big selling points to get attendance up.

Then again Matthews' would have to want to re-sign there. So Arizona would probably have to massive overpay.

From a Leafs POV it's incredibly risky and crazy to think this trade makes sense.. I don't think it does but I will say is that the Leafs' playoff failures and Matthews' inability to lift the team beyond the first round still lingers. And this year's playoffs could be another big failure. So the appeal to shake things up in this unconventional manner is an interesting thought.
 
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ToneDog said:
Leafs are not trading a guaranteed generational superstar for a potential franchise superstar unless Matty demands to go to Arizona, signs an 8 year extension and Arizona adds. IMO he will come in closer to $13m AAV.
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looking at 14.5 to 16 AAV IMO

he is alrady 11.6 round to about 12M AAV; he won't be content with just 1.4M in raise/year
 
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BertCorbeau said:
This doesn't take effect until July 1st 2023, so the Leafs have up until the eve of Free Agency
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Yup but they have zero leverage as he doesn’t have to sign anything. He can walk himself right to free agency and a Dubas can’t do a single thing about it
 
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Racer88 said:
Yup but they have zero leverage as he doesn’t have to sign anything. He can walk himself right to free agency and a Dubas can’t do a single thing about it
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While Dubas can't formally sign him until July 1, it would be crazy to think there hasn't already been multiple conversations about both parties intentions.

Dubas' leverage is simply stating how much the Leafs are willing to pay and Matthews would then have to decide if he wants more or would be happy to sign for what the Leafs are offering.

Matthews could choose to lie and say his intentions are to stick around then refuse to resign and walk but that info gets around to other GM's and players and most players care about their integrety.

If Matthews has a firm price and isn't willing to budge he is then moved before July 1 by Dubas or whoever is GM
 
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hamzarocks said:
Mcdavid is about to win his 5th ross this year. He's having one of the most dominant seasons ever after a top-10 all-time playoff run last year.

I'm past the point where I need to pretend Crosby (my favorite of the three) and OV are as good as him.

He's got only 2 comparables who dominated the league in terms of offensive output to the extent he has and as long and consistent as he has, and those are 99 and 66

5 Rosses + 4 Lindsays + 3 Harts + 1 Rocket at the age of 26 by year-end is GOAT-level dominance.
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PromisedLand said:
looking at 14.5 to 16 AAV IMO

he is alrady 11.6 round to about 12M AAV; he won't be content with just 1.4M in raise/year
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At those numbers (which I find hard to believe) 88 will ask for $11+m and Mitch $13+. Been there, done that. It won't work.

I would do a two year reload at which point JT's money comes off the books.
 
Racer88 said:
Yup but they have zero leverage as he doesn’t have to sign anything. He can walk himself right to free agency and a Dubas can’t do a single thing about it
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Matty could do a Tkachuk or Tavares. If he has a destination in mind, work out a sign and trade. If not, more pain for Leafs fans.
 
Jojalu said:
While Dubas can't formally sign him until July 1, it would be crazy to think there hasn't already been multiple conversations about both parties intentions.

Dubas' leverage is simply stating how much the Leafs are willing to pay and Matthews would then have to decide if he wants more or would be happy to sign for what the Leafs are offering.

Matthews could choose to lie and say his intentions are to stick around then refuse to resign and walk but that info gets around to other GM's and players and most players care about their integrety.

If Matthews has a firm price and isn't willing to budge he is then moved before July 1 by Dubas or whoever is GM
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There's probably no leverage in Dubas stating his number and then appearing to hold the line unless he does it with Nylander first and then moves him. I don't think the big 3 fear him as a negotiator based on last time around.
Matthews can find the club's offer acceptable and still hang them out to the last minute to squeeze the last drop. He knows the club will give him a drop dead offer before a deal elsewhere is finalized.

I don't think we can assume KD won't overpay to keep Matthews. If he is still GM this summer it means the club had at least some playoff success and that would vindicate Kyle's vision so big 4 and thrift store supporting cast again. Matthews will be back unless he has a secret dream to play in some US market but it won't be AZ. Even if they fail in the playoffs and there is a regime change it will be Willie's head that rolls first to make certain they have sufficient money for AM. The rumor mill says he wants $15M which is obscene given what Mackinnon signed for after years of being underpaid but negotiations have to start somewhere.
 
Absolutely

keonsbitterness said:
Arizona is at the beginning of its (latest) rebuild and has no long-term arena solution. Paying someone $13+ million seems highly unlikely.
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Agreed, but the one thing it would do is be a nice marketing campaign. That signing could impact the arena and the long-term health of that Franchise, no matter how unrealistic it is.
 
Drytoast said:
Matthews doesn't wanna play in front of a 5k seat arena in a dead end market that's spun it's wheels since it's inception. For him to do the most good for Arizona, he needs to play and succeed in a highly visible market like New York, Toronto or LA.
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Yes, wherever The Bieb lives.
 
Put me down as someone who thinks he signs with the Leafs below where people are saying.

I think he comes in at like 12.75, making the highest paid but not by multiple millions like some are predicting.
 
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I think he's staying. Maybe not for that much longer but he's staying. If they make it past round one and actually do something or come close I think he signs long term. If they get eliminated in round one again I think he signs for two years.
 
NJG said:
I think he's staying. Maybe not for that much longer but he's staying. If they make it past round one and actually do something or come close I think he signs long term. If they get eliminated in round one again I think he signs for two years.
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How did you arrive at 2 years?
IMO, two years doesn't make sense for the team or the player.
 
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