Hypothetical - does McDavid win the Conn Smythe even if Oilers lose the cup? Assuming he has an above average finals

[kingsholygrail]

If you thought Giguere looked like he wanted to throw himself down a well holding that Conn Smythe, just imagine McDavid.

 

[Iggys Dome]

Why are people so against a player on the losing team getting the Smythe? If they deserve it and put up a good performance in the finals I don’t see the problem. It’s extremely rare anyways.

 

[Fledgemyhedge]

Why are people so against a player on the losing team getting the Smythe? If they deserve it and put up a good performance in the finals I don’t see the problem. It’s extremely rare anyways.

tradition

 

[Calendal]

If McDavid keeps his current pace and the Oilers lose he'll get the Smythe. If he's terrible, it means that Barkov+Forsling managed to contain him, so Barkov will get the credit for that and get the Smythe.

This is close to correct I think. If Oilers lose in 7 there's a chance for McDavid, anything closer won't do nowadays. If they lose overtime and no Florida players shine he could get there.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Why are people so against a player on the losing team getting the Smythe? If they deserve it and put up a good performance in the finals I don’t see the problem. It’s extremely rare anyways.

Not really against it, but it's pretty funny. Giguere had to hang around on the ice and wait for the Conn Smythe while the Devils continued to celebrate around him. Not only that, but getting booed for winning it. lol
At 2:08

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

I'm an Oiler fan & there is absolutely no way a player from the losing team should ever win the Conn Smythe.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Even if you believe McDavid deserves it the most, Draisaitl has been too close to him to suggest a losing player should win. The only time a losing player should ever win is if they are the sole reason they even got there in the first place.

FWIW: JS Giguere was the only player I ever felt deserved the Conn Smythe in a losing effort. At least since I started watching hockey that is.

Edit:
Giguere's Goals-Saved-Above-Average (GSAA) that year is the highest I could find (18.8) for a losing goalie. I checked all the notable modern goalies, and a few old timers. I'm curious if it's the best all-time (in a losing effort), but am not willing to check every year, and am not sure what site lists it in that way before 2007.

 

[ijuka]

Still think Bouchard should get it for Oilers, although McDavid will win it if Oilers win.

 

[nowhereman]

Call me biased but I prefer Drai for the Smythe. He took the team on his shoulders against the Canucks, after looking like he might be out of the series in game 1, and I will always cheer on a former Kelowna Rocket.

But, unless McDavid goes nuclear, he will not win the Smythe on a losing team. It would likely go to Barkov or Bobrovsky.

 

[Asinine]

I'm an Oiler fan & there is absolutely no way a player from the losing team should ever win the Conn Smythe.

I feel like the award was meant to be for the MVP of the winning team but they didn't specifically state it because they thought it would be obvious lol.

Yeah it doesn't make sense for a loser to get it.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Call me biased but I prefer Drai for the Smythe. He took the team on his shoulders against the Canucks, after looking like he might be out of the series in game 1, and I will always cheer on a former Kelowna Rocket.

But, unless McDavid goes nuclear, he will not win the Smythe on a losing team. It would likely go to Barkov or Bobrovsky.

As it should. Historically, only lights out goalies who carry teams that would otherwise not be there usually get losing team Conn Smythe’s.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Reminds me of when he won playoff MVP in the OHL despite losing. IIRC he left the trophy behind in the locker room.

Similar sentiment here. Just give it to a Panthers player. I doubt he’d care for it as a consolation prize.

 

[Noldo]

As I commented in The other Conn Smythe thread, the only way McDavid (or any other player) would win a Conn Smythe in a losing effort is if the game is tight on a second intermission of game 7 (when they cast the votes), the game goes overtime (the votes are recast at the end of regulation) - or Oilers hold a comfortable lead in the second intermission of game 7 and blow it in the third period (voting in second intermission under expectation that Oilers will win).

If the cup winner is known at the time of the vote (voting in Game 4, 5, or 6 or one team holding comfortable lead in second intermission of game 7), the Conn Smythe is going to a player in the winning team.

 

[Reindl87]

Draisaitl has been ice cold against Dallas. The laws of propability tell you that he most likely will have a monster series against Florida to level the average. Hence he will win.

 

[Ratsreign]

That would be ok by me

 

[StreetHawk]

Reminds me of when he won playoff MVP in the OHL despite losing. IIRC he left the trophy behind in the locker room.

Similar sentiment here. Just give it to a Panthers player. I doubt he’d care for it as a consolation prize.

He'd also would then be known as the only Skater (non-goalie, who were Hextall in 87 and Giggy in 2003) to win the Conn Smythe in a losing effort. He wouldn't think much of the trophy in the next 15 years, but maybe 20 odd years later he'd look back on it with a different perspective if that is the way it goes.

 

[LTIR]

Draisaitl has no chance with ankers like Perry and McLeod on his line. Both were abysmal yesterday.

PP says hi.

If Draisaitl manages to get more points than McDavid and McDavid misses out on catching gretzky's assist record then it's all up in air no matter who wins the cup

 

[Dog]

Not really against it, but it's pretty funny. Giguere had to hang around on the ice and wait for the Conn Smythe while the Devils continued to celebrate around him. Not only that, but getting booed for winning it. lol
At 2:08

I'm definitely for opposing team player receiving it if it's earned. Giguere definitely earned it that playoffs.

 

[elmaco]

What a dumb thread, no he will not.

 

[MoistDadBod]

No - a different Oiler will win the Smythe when Oilers win the cup.

It will be Skinner, ainec.

I will bet you any amount of money you choose that Skinner DOES NOT win the Conn Smythe. Happy to remortgage my home, cash out all assets and retirement savings. Let me know how much you want to bet.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Not really. If Draisaitl gets more points and goals, why would McDavid deserve the Conn Smythe more? It’s a nice record but unless he really is above and beyond his teammates, he won’t be deserving.

Kessel deserved it over Crosby.
Kuznetsov deserved it over Ovechkin.


Voters love 'stories' more than anything else.

 

[Regal]

He'd also would then be known as the only Skater (non-goalie, who were Hextall in 87 and Giggy in 2003) to win the Conn Smythe in a losing effort. He wouldn't think much of the trophy in the next 15 years, but maybe 20 odd years later he'd look back on it with a different perspective if that is the way it goes.

Reggie Leach won in a losing effort in ‘76. He’s the only skater to do so, so it’d be him and McDavid

 

[Habssince89]

The thing is if Florida wins, and one particular player stands out (Bobrovsky or a skater with a lot of goals etc) then I could see a Panther winning. But if they beat edmonton and all the Florida stars are more or less equally good, I think McDavid or Draisaitl will go home with the Conn Smythe

 

[MikeyMike01]

Why are people so against a player on the losing team getting the Smythe? If they deserve it and put up a good performance in the finals I don’t see the problem. It’s extremely rare anyways.

It makes zero sense for a skater. You can’t be the most valuable player if you didn’t get your team the cup.

It makes a little sense for a goalie, who no matter how good can’t contribute on offense. A goalie can put on the game of his life and lose 1-0 in 5OT.

 

[byrath]

I will bet you any amount of money you choose that Skinner DOES NOT win the Conn Smythe. Happy to remortgage my home, cash out all assets and retirement savings. Let me know how much you want to bet.

I'm not sure even a 4 shutout sweep would be enough