The Winter Soldier
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or atleast equally stupidtrading a teenage Tuukka Rask the year after making him a first round pick was a far bigger mistake and much more damaging long-term tbqh
I agree, it does seem like a ‘gotcha’ and the leaf fans that were touting 70 were the same ones who were trying to rewrite the ‘50 in 50’ accomplishment so Matthews would be eligible.2nd time I've heard it.
The first was Leafs fans claiming Matthews hit 70.
This Hyman thread seems to be more of a 'gotcha' reply thread to the Matthews 70 nonsense than anything else.
I could be wrong (or maybe I just wasn’t paying much attention to it), but I didn’t see many Leafs fans claiming that Matthews scored 70.
Atleast the Leafs had Pogge who was coming off a great Junior tournament. So you kind of have some logic there. Wrong as it turned out. I would argue not signing Hyman and using his cap resources to sign Mrazak at 3.8M and Ritchie at 2.5M was far more damaging. Does Dubas watch hockey or is he playing 3D checkers? Horrific decisions and moves made by him.trading a teenage Tuukka Rask the year after making him a first round pick was a far bigger mistake and much more damaging long-term tbqh
Atleast the Leafs had Pogge who was coming off a great Junior tournament. So you kind of have some logic there. Wrong as it turned out. I would argue not signing Hyman and using his cap resources to sign Mrazak at 3.8M and Ritchie at 2.5M was far more damaging. Does Dubas watch hockey or is he playing 3D checkers? Horrific decisions and moves made by him.
Wonder how much his parents paid to swing the vote
Both were horrendous. But at the moment we know how Hyman is performing in these playoffs. And he has been a great player for his lasting 5 seasons as a pro. If you don’t think Hyman who has 70 goals this year at 5.5 is not damaging to a team that lacks playoff performers. Than you certainly do not see the picture here. As for the argument of Hyman not showing this with the Leafs as to expect him to perform like the big 4. That’s a silly argument to expect a 2.25m cap hit to lead the Leafs in scoring in the playoffs. Also a big what if had Rask played in Toronto and not Boston. One one of the best defensive teams in the NHL the other not so. Not a convincing argument there.Rask was one of the best goalies in the world for like 15 years after being traded, thinking losing Hyman is more damaging than that is being a prisoner of the moment.
Both were horrendous. But at the moment we know how Hyman is performing in these playoffs. And he has been a great player for his lasting 5 seasons as a pro. If you don’t think Hyman who has 70 goals this year at 5.5 is not damaging to a team that lacks playoff performers. Than you certainly do not see the picture here. As for the argument of Hyman not showing this with the Leafs as to expect him to perform like the big 4. That’s a silly argument to expect a 2.25m cap hit to lead the Leafs in scoring in the playoffs. Also a big what if had Rask played in Toronto and not Boston. One one of the best defensive teams in the NHL the other not so. Not a convincing argument there.
You don’t think losing Hyman was damaging at all? Are you Kyle Dubas? I didn’t think he had any defenders left because in Hyman’s case he F’d up so badly. There is simply no defence.I forgot what responding to you was like, where you argue I bunch of things I never said. Somehow me saying Rask was more damaging has you saying I don’t think losing Hyman was damaging at all. Or arguing a bunch of stuff about his time with the Leafs that I never brought up. Won’t make the mistake of engaging again!
I didn’t see that, but I think it’s pretty silly that they tried to claim it. To me, Matthews scored 69 goals this season plus 1 in the playoffs, which doesn’t make him a 70 goal scorer. Just like with Hyman. He scored 54 goals this season and now he’s got 16 in the playoffs. And the real story to me with Hyman is how he’s maintained his excellence from the regular season straight through this postseason, which is far more noteworthy and impressive than any fake stat being concocted by adding up different goal totals.You didn't see when Matthews scored in the playoffs? They called it his 70th. Not sure if Leaf fans echoed that but that was the first time I noticed them combining reg/playoff stats
That's such a dumb reason to dislike a player.
He couldn't help who his parents are.
He certainly doesn't have the work ethic of someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
You might as well criticize every kid of a former NHL player for their privileged environment growing up.
Anyway, I'm sure it was just a light-hearted joke but the fact that some people take it seriously is bizarre.
You don’t think losing Hyman was damaging at all? Are you Kyle Dubas? I didn’t think he had any defenders left because in Hyman’s case he F’d up so badly. There is simply no defence.
Pre-lockout, players became UFA at 31 with potential compensation picks for going to FA. If you look at 2003 NHL draft you will see the 2nd round included 38 picks (notably Bergeron being a compensation pick for Guerin leaving to free agency). It was quite complicated. and the picks were based on the payrolls of the team.swear I remember him signing long term then asking for a trade a year later.
I thought he signed there as a FA, I guess they traded for him then extended him?
He's also playing with the best player in the world right now, which obviously contributes to how good he has been.I’ll bite.
Dubas sucks. Let’s get that at out of the way.
Hyman’s departure had neglible impact for Toronto. His deployment in Toronto is very different.
The Hyman you see now is not the same player in Toronto. His skating with the puck has drastically improved as his hands around the net.
Only way Hyman can make a difference is if you transplant his heart and soul into one of Marner and Matthews.
Hyman’s last 2 seasons in Toronto were actually very good and he was on an upwards trajectory. If he was not hurt he would have scored 30 goals while not being on the primary PP that was gifted to Tavares, Nylander, Marner and Matthews. He out goaled McDavid and Draisaitl this year when given the opportunity to play prime minutes. I think it’s inaccurate to portray him as a player that was not developing on an upward trend as your post suggests. He was given the opportunity in Edmonton that he was not given in Toronto. It doesn’t mean he was not the same player incapable of doing what he is doing now. It’s ok to admit Dubas messed up colossally and also admit Hyman could have been used as he is in Edmonton right now. Maybe he would not score 54 or 70. But 40 given the right circumstances I would say yes. And this is why the Leafs lost with their mismanagement in player personnel. They handed out money for all players but the one that deserved it the most. That is a big miss anyway you look at it.I’ll bite.
Dubas sucks. Let’s get that at out of the way.
Hyman’s departure had neglible impact for Toronto. His deployment in Toronto is very different.
The Hyman you see now is not the same player in Toronto. His skating with the puck has drastically improved as his hands around the net.
Only way Hyman can make a difference is if you transplant his heart and soul into one of Marner and Matthews.
Is it? Hyman has been a far more noticeable player since the first round ended.Hyman vs Matthews/Marner is a legitimate debate after these playoffs.