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[Daeavorn]

I think the idea is, if people are vaccinated, they can only get a mutation that is vaccine resistant. So the vaccine resistant variant has a whole pool of people to itself where it doesn't have to compete with Alpha/Beta/Gamma or whatever.

But overall, it's silly, because the alternative is we never bother with vaccinations and everyone gets some version of covid. Maybe the vaccine resistant one isn't dominant, but if nobody is vaccinated, that's kind of irrelevant.

I guess, maybe hypothetically, if healthy low risk people didn't get vaccinated, it would shrink the pool that allows the vaccine resistant variant to gain a foothold, which could help at risk vaccinated people stay a bit safer. But it seems like it's high enough risk for everyone that just having 80% of the population getting the virus no defense would cause more damage.

That is only true as long as the virus doesn't evolve into something more dangerous AND vaccine resistant, right? If it does that we are well and truly f***ed. Just like how MRSA is really bad news.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That is only true as long as the virus doesn't evolve into something more dangerous AND vaccine resistant, right? If it does that we are well and truly f***ed. Just like how MRSA is really bad news.

That's possible. As I showed above though, the Delta variant, which is more vaccine resistant and more dangerous, came about before vaccines were even being used. So doing nothing may not be the best course of action either.

You stated "scientists are already questioning if the vaccine deployment forced mutation earlier than it would have normally done so with no vaccine."

Do you agree, after the data I showed, that all the mutations to date weren't "forced" by vaccines, since they were detected before vaccines were even available?

 

[the halleJOKEL]

citation needed on "scientists are already questioning if the vaccine deployment forced mutation earlier than it would have normally done so with no vaccine"

that's not how random mutation works, and any vague collection of scientists claiming the vaccine would cause "forced" mutation should hand in their science guns and badges

 

[Svechhammer]

I think someone is getting the covid vaccine mixed up with the rapid development of antibiotic resistant bacteria, which is absolutely a problem due to countries like India prescribing them for the most minor things.

 

[Ole Gil]

That's possible. As I showed above though, the Delta variant, which is more vaccine resistant and more dangerous, came about before vaccines were even being used. So doing nothing may not be the best course of action either.

You stated "scientists are already questioning if the vaccine deployment forced mutation earlier than it would have normally done so with no vaccine."

Do you agree, after the data I showed, that all the mutations to date weren't "forced" by vaccines, since they were detected before vaccines were even available?

I think what 'forced' means, is that it allows mutations to gain traction, rather than come in to existence. But Delta was special because it was super contagious to begin with. That was going to take over vaccines or no vaccines. It didn't need help.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think what 'forced' means, is that it allows mutations to gain traction, rather than come in to existence.

I’m not so sure. I’ve seen this statement elsewhere and the gist of it was that the vaccine drove the mutation itself. Even his statement was “forced mutation earlier” which isn’t talking about gaining traction. Not a big deal though. That said, I haven’t read any scientific studies on it.

But Delta was special because it was super contagious to begin with. That was going to take over vaccines or no vaccines. It didn't need help.

Agree. And that’s the only one that gained significant traction post vaccination

 

[MinJaBen]

I think someone is getting the covid vaccine mixed up with the rapid development of antibiotic resistant bacteria, which is absolutely a problem due to countries like India prescribing them for the most minor things.

Or countries like the USA for prescribing them to farm animals to make the fatter.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Or countries like the USA for prescribing them to farm animals to make the fatter.

I know we have an obesity problem in this country but name calling is just rude.

 

[MinJaBen]

I know we have an obesity problem in this country but name calling is just rude.

Maybe we are all fat because we eat fat animals? If we ate the skinny animals, we'd be more svelt.

 

[Ole Gil]

I’m not so sure. I’ve seen this statement elsewhere and the gist of it was that the vaccine drove the mutation itself. Even his statement was “forced mutation earlier” which isn’t talking about gaining traction. Not a big deal though. That said, I haven’t read any scientific studies on it.

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. I just enjoy guessing

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Maybe we are all fat because we eat fat animals? If we ate the skinny animals, we'd be more svelt.

Jim Schoenfeld enters the chat - important discussion on obesity and farm animals.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. I just enjoy guessing

New WHO slogan - hey-o!

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Maybe we are all fat because we eat fat animals? If we ate the skinny animals, we'd be more svelt.

Lean and mean baby!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. I just enjoy guessing

Same here

 

[Svechhammer]

Maybe we are all fat because we eat fat animals? If we ate the skinny animals, we'd be more svelt.

I'm gonna guess its the stick of butter that most of our recipes call for.

 

[Socks]

Maybe we are all fat because we eat fat animals? If we ate the skinny animals, we'd be more svelt.

I'm only going to eat sexy animals from here on out.

 

[The Stranger]

But overall, it's silly, because the alternative is we never bother with vaccinations and everyone gets some version of covid. Maybe the vaccine resistant one isn't dominant, but if nobody is vaccinated, that's kind of irrelevant.

I guess, maybe hypothetically, if healthy low risk people didn't get vaccinated, it would shrink the pool that allows the vaccine resistant variant to gain a foothold, which could help at risk vaccinated people stay a bit safer. But it seems like it's high enough risk for everyone that just having 80% of the population getting the virus no defense would cause more damage.

It appears to me that regardless of vaccination status, pretty much everyone will get some version of covid.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

First, my further condolences, Robo. This has been a shit sandwich of a week for you but as so many have said here, we're all here for you. Given your request as to *how* to support you...

Since the conversation has shifted to cooking and farm animals, I had the Bojangles Chicken Sandwich last night. Y'all. It's the real deal. It blows Popeye's out of the water since the breading is spicy and it doesn't rely on a spicy mayo to make it spicy. It's easily now my go-to chicken sammich.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

First, my further condolences, Robo. This has been a shit sandwich of a week for you but as so many have said here, we're all here for you. Given your request as to *how* to support you...

Since the conversation has shifted to cooking and farm animals, I had the Bojangles Chicken Sandwich last night. Y'all. It's the real deal. It blows Popeye's out of the water since the breading is spicy and it doesn't rely on a spicy mayo to make it spicy. It's easily now my go-to chicken sammich.

This is good news, because everything else at Bojangles has been going to shit. The pandemic has not been kind to them.

 

[sabremike]

I'm only going to eat sexy animals from here on out.

AW HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[garnetpalmetto]

This is good news, because everything else at Bojangles has been going to shit. The pandemic has not been kind to them.

Yeah I've noticed that. The Supremes have gotten tiny (which at least they're making up for by giving you more fries) and last night the drinks were in a no-brand styrofoam cup instead of their usual branded stuff. Offhand I can't think of another chain that's been as hard-hit.

 

[AD Skinner]

This is good news, because everything else at Bojangles has been going to shit. The pandemic has not been kind to them.

Dude for real I had some Supremes the other day that tasted like some school lunch frozen nuggets. Hardly any flavor at all and a totally different consistency than normal

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

I believe the near PNC Bo's is finally under construction. Should have a large parking lot.

Development Beat: Bojangles' Coming Near Carter-Finley Stadium - ITB Insider™

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It appears to me that regardless of vaccination status, pretty much everyone will get some version of covid.

I think that's likely, particularly with how transmissible some variants are (and will likely be).

 

[To Be Determined]

citation needed on "scientists are already questioning if the vaccine deployment forced mutation earlier than it would have normally done so with no vaccine"

that's not how random mutation works, and any vague collection of scientists claiming the vaccine would cause "forced" mutation should hand in their science guns and badges

i wonder if "scientists" in this case actually tracks back to luc montagnier. he has made statements about antibody dependent enhancement (which the data says he is wrong about). there is another bullshit quote about everybody vaccinated dropping dead soon, that he didn't say, fwiw.

dude won a nobel prize for his role in identifying hiv and then started publishing non peer reviewed homeopathy enabling bullshit in a journal that he basically ran. that nobel prize carries a ton of weight, so plenty of people take the enhancement thing seriously not knowing he's sadly gone water memory quack.