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Roboturner913

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canary in the coal mine exactly.

Because it's not like this isn't happening elsewhere. Little bits and pieces of coastline all over the country are going away too. South Louisiana is just more obvious because the Mississippi River delta provides a structurally weak point for erosion to tear away huge chunks at a time.
 
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Lempo

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For a long time I was mystified how the great ancient cities could be in such ruins. Take the city of Rome, for example. How could you have something as grand as the Coliseum right there in the middle of your city, and not take any sort of care of it at all? And then you hear about how the various generations tore the marble facades off their grandest monuments to build new stuff for some fly-by-night Pope, and it's just like... what?

Like how can they have had something like this in 100AD:

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And it ends up looking like this in 2021?

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And this all took place smack in the middle of one of the world's great capitals which was the center of power in Europe for over a millennium after the thing was constructed?

How does that happen? I get that things get old and need replacing. But how do you just completely cannibalize and obliterate the heart and soul of a place like this?



At some point I had the eye-opening experience of seeing this population chart (note the weird time scaling after 1800):

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Combined with illustrations like this:

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And the pieces fell into place.

It's not that these places were just simply neglected and allowed to fall apart because people didn't care. It's not that a series of Popes were just like "wow that building is amazing, it would be ****ing awesome if we tore it down".

What's missing in the popular imagination is the middle ages... the period of time when Rome lost 90% of its population to war and plague and politics. People just walked away and never came back. By about 1350, the imperial capital was a broken little ghost town full of collapsing ruins. People pulled those walls down because they had trees growing out of the tops of them and were going to kill someone eventually. They pulled the marble off the facades to get it before scavengers could. What reason did they have to think anyone would ever care about the ruins of a dead city?

I say all this because of what we're seeing along the Gulf Coast.

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Of course, economics is the main driver of this trend. New Orleans was already in trouble for geopolitical reasons. But what we're seeing this past 16 years is a different kind of threat, the kind that chases people out en masse and gives them reason to believe they're better off not coming back. It's the sort of thing that makes your house uninsurable, that closes down your business in the middle of high season, that makes you think about taking that job in Texas. It's not just about the city itself, but about the whole ecosystem of life in that region, where people just get battered and battered. It's people living in FEMA trailers for half a decade, it's levees being opened downstream so the city doesn't get flooded, little towns getting practically washed away wholesale.

We're getting closer to the point when this stops being viable. It might be a century, two centuries from now. But that water is rising and I don't see anyone putting up the money to make that area the next Netherlands. At some point, a few generations down the line, there's going to be a lack of critical mass of people who give a damn. When they leave, nature reclaims the city. It'll probably happen one block at a time, and a lot of the rot will happen from the inside-out. But when you're a city of 100K instead of 500K, there's 1/5th the reason to invest in things like levees and canals. I have a hunch that a few hundred years down the line, people will think of New Orleans they way we think of Pompeii. Or maybe Atlantis.

And if we keep ****ing around with climate change, New Orleans is the canary in the coal mine.
Only started reading, but I swear, if this is some shit about letting the north Euros in...
 

Surrounded By Ahos

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At some point I had the eye-opening experience of seeing this population chart (note the weird time scaling after 1800):

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Imma ignore all the rest of this (extremely well thought out and fantastic, 10/10 will read again) post, and focus on this graph.

1) Thank you for pointing out how the timeline changed. I get why it's like that, but it still annoys me.

2) How f***ing wild is it that a city 2000 years ago had a population that large? 1-1.5 million people pretty easily puts you in the top 10 largest US cities today. That's just so mind-blowing to me. Having the infrastructure to support a city that size with the technology available at the time seems impossible, but we know it's not because it happened.
 

tarheelhockey

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Only started reading, but I swear, if this is some shit about letting the north Euros in...

It starts with getting a hockey team, and next thing you know...

1) Thank you for pointing out how the timeline changed. I get why it's like that, but it still annoys me.

There's a special place in hell for someone who makes a chart with equal spacing between increments of 100, 100, 100, 60, 10, 10, 20, 10, 10, 10, 5, 15, 10...

(other than being visually annoying, it also disguises what should be an extremely powerful takeaway -- our idea of Rome as a massive world-capital-sized city should only take up the last ~5% of that chart, the vast majority of its existence having been spent as a ruined ghost of itself)
 

Navin R Slavin

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Just put in my notice at a company I’ve only been at 4 months. Thought I’d feel better about it considering I found something more inline with what I’d like to do but I feel like shit broadsiding the manager like that.

That feeling is to your credit.

But then again, when you know it's the wrong fit, you know, and it's better not to drag it out.
 

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Just put in my notice at a company I’ve only been at 4 months. Thought I’d feel better about it considering I found something more inline with what I’d like to do but I feel like shit broadsiding the manager like that.

That feeling is your conscience and it’s a good thing that you have one. Take some pride that you have one my HF Canes friend.

That feeling is to your credit.

But then again, when you know it's the wrong fit, you know, and it's better not to drag it out.
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As someone who has worked from the bottom to the top over the years & had to switch gears to do it.

Best of luck with your new employment.
 
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MinJaBen

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I’m going to go all “this is not how we did it where I grew up!” and get mad about middle schoolers having to wake up at 6/615 to go to school. I wouldn’t have made it if I had to do it. Hell, I wouldn’t survive if I had to do it now.

anyways…it’s lunacy IMO.
I honestly can’t remember what the times were when I went to school growing up. But as a parent, these early bus times for kids sucks. We have been driving our kids in to school for the last decade just for this reason.
 
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Sens1Canes2

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I honestly can’t remember what the times were when I went to school growing up. But as a parent, these early bus times for kids sucks. We have been driving our kids in to school for the last decade just for this reason.
I got picked up at 830, school started at 9. Every school in the entire city and region started at the same time and ended at the same time. Which of course makes complete sense.
 
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Navin R Slavin

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I’m going to go all “this is not how we did it where I grew up!” and get mad about middle schoolers having to wake up at 6/615 to go to school. I wouldn’t have made it if I had to do it. Hell, I wouldn’t survive if I had to do it now.

anyways…it’s lunacy IMO.

Funny, that's exactly how I did it. Bus at 645 to be at my school by 730.
 

To Be Determined

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I’m going to go all “this is not how we did it where I grew up!” and get mad about middle schoolers having to wake up at 6/615 to go to school. I wouldn’t have made it if I had to do it. Hell, I wouldn’t survive if I had to do it now.

anyways…it’s lunacy IMO.
i had culture shock when our oldest hit middle school. his bus picked him up pretty consistently at 6:05am. at the front of the neighborhood. poor dude was waking up at 5:30. i had to leave for work at 6 so i got him to the bus, but with two younger siblings (2nd grade and kindergarten at the time) it wasn't feasible for my wife to drop him off at the school with me already out the door. before the next kid hit middle school we had moved to a new county with a later start, so the oldest was the only one to deal with that bs.
 
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I got picked up at 830, school started at 9. Every school in the entire city and region started at the same time and ended at the same time. Which of course makes complete sense.

We had elementary school start earlier, middle school a little later, high school a little after that, so if parents had kids at multiple schools they could actually do drop-off.

I don’t recall the exact schedule (which I knew very well at one point since I walked to middle and high school and therefore knew exactly when I needed to leave) but I think all 3 started before 8.
 

MinJaBen

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I had to walk to school 3 miles through snowstorms uphill both ways.

When I was in high school we lived on a road that had a wooden covered bridge, the kind you see all over Vermont. This SOB right here:

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I had to catch my bus on this side of it because it couldn't cross the bridge. So I had to walk over a mile just to get to my damn bus stop to catch the bus. Often in the snow both ways (though not up hill both ways).


My kids still don't believe me when I tell them, they just roll their eyes and wonder if it was up hill both ways. Punks.
 
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