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Joe McGrath
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I don’t follow this stuff too closely because it’ll make my ears/eyes bleed, but am I to believe the current anti Covid vaccination and anti-mask go to treatment is something you inject and get at Petco? Do I have that right?
HisIceness
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Several years ago I had Char-Grill for what had to be the first time in 5 years. I thought it was good, my grandfather however commented on how "This isn't as good as it used to be". FWIW this was 2008.
Roboturner913
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This Ida is a real mean bitch. Gotdamn
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HisIceness
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One of the problems with this one is that it seems she wants to stay a while.
There’s a version of it, I think, that is used as livestock heart worm medication? That’s what I got out of headlines which talked about poison control centers in the South being inundated with calls about ivermectin.
I think it’s more complicated than that tho. Like hydroxychloroquine, there are standard/mainstream/human reasons to use it. Friend of a friend was laid up pretty bad two days ago…was prescribed it…was much better the next day.
Who knows.
Char-Grill's always going to be special to me b/c it's the first place I went to after moving to town waaaay back in '01. End of a long long day of moving in and I went to the Harris Teeter on Edwards Mill to get some stuff and saw this weird-ass looking glass bubble of a burger joint. Went there three times my first week in town, iirc. So even if it's gone downhill I'll still say it's one of the things I miss about living in Raleigh.
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God, haven't been there in years. I remember in the 90s when I moved down here trying it for the first time I came away fairly impressed. But yeah I can't recall going any time in the last decade or so. There being a cookout not too far from where I was for a few years (GP and Hank know the one I'm talking about) meant I never had to go too far for my late night food fix. Char-Grill's one of those places I don't think I've ever considered going out of my way for, but as a place if I'm hungry and I know there's one nearby? Yeah that's going to be pretty high on my list of places to hit.
Have to add a bit of local history.
Back in the day, Temple Beth Or was right next to Hillsborough St. Char-Grill. Would go to friend's Bar Mitzvahs. No A/C back then; windows wide open. So "Order up for xxx" would blast through as well as the hunger inducing aroma of char grilled hamburgers.
To this day I don't know how those folks lasted every Friday night in that environment.
Back in the day, Temple Beth Or was right next to Hillsborough St. Char-Grill. Would go to friend's Bar Mitzvahs. No A/C back then; windows wide open. So "Order up for xxx" would blast through as well as the hunger inducing aroma of char grilled hamburgers.
To this day I don't know how those folks lasted every Friday night in that environment.
tarheelhockey
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Keep Louisiana in your thoughts tonight. It's looking really bad down there. Reminds me a lot of Katrina.
Navin R Slavin
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Not for the city, it isn't, at least not yet. New levee system is doing well so far, from reports I've seen.
tarheelhockey
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We were holding out the same hopes at this point in the night 15 years ago. That’s a big part of what reminds me of it. I went to bed that night thinking the storm was past, there was a lot of damage but it wasn’t so bad. Woke up to “the levees failed”… oh.
Hopefully it doesn’t come anywhere near that again, but it feels the same way tonight. Power out in the city, just waiting and hoping things aren’t too bad.
Lafitte’s about to be wholesale wiped out, a lot like Bay St. Louis back then. People are sending distress signals from their rooftops, and there’s nobody available to realistically respond. Now they’re saying the main artery to NO is cut off because the bridge is structurally unsound, not that anyone could drive it right now, but that means rescue teams are going to have to get in there by air or boat. Just awful stuff, as we are talking these folks are facing a really high likelihood of being swept away.
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Yeah, it's bad. My Twitter feed is full of people giving their address, trapped on their roofs with the water rising. One hospital was losing COVID patients left and right because the generators failed and they couldn't keep up manually ventilating people. It's gonna be real, real bad, probably worse than Katrina. The death toll might not be as bad, because hopefully people learned their lesson from Katrina, but the property damage is going to be f***ing astronomical, like I honestly don't think the city will be able to come back again like it was. Not again.
I honestly feel like this might break New Orleans permanently. It took 10+ years after to Katrina to get the city back to where it was and now to start over? I just don't think enough people are going to have the heart for it.
I honestly feel like this might break New Orleans permanently. It took 10+ years after to Katrina to get the city back to where it was and now to start over? I just don't think enough people are going to have the heart for it.
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It has been a beast. Tracked it all week and through the weekend. It's going to be bad when it's all sorted out. 149mph sustained may be a new record. 9 hrs over land as a Hurricane is extremely rare.
HisIceness
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I remember being told while in NO to look for houses off I-10 that look like holes were cut in the roof. I believe this was the St. Roch neighborhood, which is actually where we were working on a house. You really couldn't tell unless you looked hard enough but they were there. Looking at some of these images I'm mentally looking at those roofs.
New Orleans is probably the most resilient city in the country, even more so than NYC post 9/11. We all knew NYC would recover, NOLA after Katrina was a big mystery, some were thinking would never come back. I'm worried about the future of the city after this. People are just not going to be wanting to live there knowing that Katrina-like storms are not a one time thing.
New Orleans is probably the most resilient city in the country, even more so than NYC post 9/11. We all knew NYC would recover, NOLA after Katrina was a big mystery, some were thinking would never come back. I'm worried about the future of the city after this. People are just not going to be wanting to live there knowing that Katrina-like storms are not a one time thing.
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The whole below sea level thing is a hard no for me. Some of the pictures coming from my chaser friends are just unbelievable.
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There have been pie-in-the-sky proposals in the past about relocating the whole city but that's not something you can just do, it has to happen organically. Cities rise up in the places they are for good reason.
Not to get political or preachy about it, but what's happening down there is a direct result of climate change. Coastal erosion means there's not nearly as much land as there used to be to absorb the impact of a storm like this before it reaches more heavily settled areas. Like, when I was a kid, this is what we would consider a once in a lifetime, life-altering type of storm. And now we've seen five such storms in a span of 16 years: Katrina, Rita, Gustav, Laura and now Ida.
There's a reason why almost nobody lives in Plaquemines Parish; it's not worth it. Eventually, people will start fleeing New Orleans too, and it'll become something like a relic where people go for touristy things and Saints games but few people actually live there.
Not to get political or preachy about it, but what's happening down there is a direct result of climate change. Coastal erosion means there's not nearly as much land as there used to be to absorb the impact of a storm like this before it reaches more heavily settled areas. Like, when I was a kid, this is what we would consider a once in a lifetime, life-altering type of storm. And now we've seen five such storms in a span of 16 years: Katrina, Rita, Gustav, Laura and now Ida.
There's a reason why almost nobody lives in Plaquemines Parish; it's not worth it. Eventually, people will start fleeing New Orleans too, and it'll become something like a relic where people go for touristy things and Saints games but few people actually live there.
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Straight up science. There are several threads by meteorologist and weather scientist on my weather forum devoted to these topics.
The one here in Durham left
so no more CG for me unless I have business in Raleigh an if it's down town I'll go to the Roast grill if it's open.
Navin R Slavin
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Yes, it's bad, but it looks like it's Betsy bad, not Katrina bad. So far as I've heard, no area has been wiped off the map like the lower 9th was. At least the Corps of Engineers learned some things this time around.
If New Orleans is gonna be saved in the long term, it's gonna be by learning from the Dutch.
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The only "blessing" is that wind damage is a lot easier to deal with than water damage and doesn't cause such unsanitary conditions.
The infrastructure is going to be a huge problem though. Some estimates say six weeks without power.
This would require a massive political initiative and I just don't see that happening here. We don't put the same value on people and places as they do in the better European countries, from a perspective of national politics. We just wash our hands of difficult situations and leave people to fend for themselves.
The infrastructure is going to be a huge problem though. Some estimates say six weeks without power.
This would require a massive political initiative and I just don't see that happening here. We don't put the same value on people and places as they do in the better European countries, from a perspective of national politics. We just wash our hands of difficult situations and leave people to fend for themselves.
tarheelhockey
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For a long time I was mystified how the great ancient cities could be in such ruins. Take the city of Rome, for example. How could you have something as grand as the Coliseum right there in the middle of your city, and not take any sort of care of it at all? And then you hear about how the various generations tore the marble facades off their grandest monuments to build new stuff for some fly-by-night Pope, and it's just like... what?
Like how can they have had something like this in 100AD:
And it ends up looking like this in 2021?
And this all took place smack in the middle of one of the world's great capitals which was the center of power in Europe for over a millennium after the thing was constructed?
How does that happen? I get that things get old and need replacing. But how do you just completely cannibalize and obliterate the heart and soul of a place like this?
At some point I had the eye-opening experience of seeing this population chart (note the weird time scaling after 1800):
Combined with illustrations like this:
And the pieces fell into place.
It's not that these places were just simply neglected and allowed to fall apart because people didn't care. It's not that a series of Popes were just like "wow that building is amazing, it would be ****ing awesome if we tore it down".
What's missing in the popular imagination is the middle ages... the period of time when Rome lost 90% of its population to war and plague and politics. People just walked away and never came back. By about 1350, the imperial capital was a broken little ghost town full of collapsing ruins. People pulled those walls down because they had trees growing out of the tops of them and were going to kill someone eventually. They pulled the marble off the facades to get it before scavengers could. What reason did they have to think anyone would ever care about the ruins of a dead city?
I say all this because of what we're seeing along the Gulf Coast.
Of course, economics is the main driver of this trend. New Orleans was already in trouble for geopolitical reasons. But what we're seeing this past 16 years is a different kind of threat, the kind that chases people out en masse and gives them reason to believe they're better off not coming back. It's the sort of thing that makes your house uninsurable, that closes down your business in the middle of high season, that makes you think about taking that job in Texas. It's not just about the city itself, but about the whole ecosystem of life in that region, where people just get battered and battered. It's people living in FEMA trailers for half a decade, it's levees being opened downstream so the city doesn't get flooded, little towns getting practically washed away wholesale.
We're getting closer to the point when this stops being viable. It might be a century, two centuries from now. But that water is rising and I don't see anyone putting up the money to make that area the next Netherlands. At some point, a few generations down the line, there's going to be a lack of critical mass of people who give a damn. When they leave, nature reclaims the city. It'll probably happen one block at a time, and a lot of the rot will happen from the inside-out. But when you're a city of 100K instead of 500K, there's 1/5th the reason to invest in things like levees and canals. I have a hunch that a few hundred years down the line, people will think of New Orleans they way we think of Pompeii. Or maybe Atlantis.
And if we keep ****ing around with climate change, New Orleans is the canary in the coal mine.
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