OT: Hurricanes Lounge XLV: Y2K Twenty-Four Years Later

[Derailed75]

Fema is complete garbage and the response would be completely different in the NJ/NY/MA area than it is in NC.

Perhaps we wouldn't spread so thin if we stopped giving money to other countries so they hate us just a little less, no? Nah. F that.

FEMA has a very long history of inadequacy under multiple administrations from both sides of the isle.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Fema is complete garbage and the response would be completely different in the NJ/NY/MA area than it is in NC.

Perhaps we wouldn't spread so thin if we stopped giving money to other countries so they hate us just a little less, no? Nah. F that.

I just can’t wrap my head around the mindset of “Oh, these people have had their lives turned upside down. My job is to help. But because they’re picking a different political party to be useless for 4 years, I’m not going to help them.”

EDIT: I’m not going to comment on the rest. Got threadbanned once already, not worth risking.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I just can’t wrap my head around the mindset of “Oh, these people have had their lives turned upside down. My job is to help. But because they’re picking a different political party to be useless for 4 years, I’m not going to help them.”

EDIT: I’m not going to comment on the rest. Got threadbanned once already, not worth risking.

Not specifically in this scenario, but in general, I have actually seen PLENTY of this happen in real-world situations...so it's not exactly far fetched or hard to imagine. But I think this is more just typical FEMA/gov't is ALWAYS horribly slow to do things due to red-tape bureaucracy

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[MinJaBen]

Fema is complete garbage and the response would be completely different in the NJ/NY/MA area than it is in NC.

Perhaps we wouldn't spread so thin if we stopped giving money to other countries so they hate us just a little less, no? Nah. F that.

The performance of FEMA and other federal agencies that the right doesn't like is a self fulfilling prophesy for them when they constantly vote to deny the agency the funding needed to do their jobs.

 

[hblueridgegal]

The most surprising election reveal to me is that husbands can accompany their wives into the voting booth in NC.

I can't imagine.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Not specifically in this scenario, but in general, I have actually seen PLENTY of this happen in real-world situations...so it's not exactly far fetched or hard to imagine. But I think this is more just typical FEMA/gov't is ALWAYS horribly slow to do things due to red-tape bureaucracy

I think there's different levels of it. I understand disagreeing or arguing with those of the opposite political party. I even understand cutting those with opposing political views out of your life (though I caution that easily leads to echo chambers).

But when a disaster hits, when someone is in desperate need of aid, I like to believe humanity takes precedent over political views. I also believe that, for the most part, the government isn't withholding aid to those who MIGHT vote for the opposing party. And I say that knowing that Trump did exactly that when California was dealing with wildfires.

The most surprising election reveal to me is that husbands can accompany their wives into the voting booth in NC.

I can't imagine.

The biggest shock I've found out during this election cycle is that for many states, there's no enforcement with regards to a "faithless elector" (an elector who ignores the votes of the people they're supposed to represent and votes however they want)

38 states have laws in place preventing faithless electors from happening, but apparently half of those don't actually enforce those laws. Others don't have laws in place, but will void the vote and fine the elector for attempting it. And then a surprising number of states will simply count the vote of the elector, regardless of whether it's what the people voted for

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I understand disagreeing or arguing with those of the opposite political party.

The notion of an "opposite political party" is exactly what's wrong with America's politics, and it's a direct byproduct of First Past the Post voting.

Our political problems are structural. Design is destiny.

 

[Borsig]

The notion of an "opposite political party" is exactly what's wrong with America's politics, and it's a direct byproduct of First Past the Post voting.

Our political problems are structural. Design is destiny.

Thats's strange. I was told it was demographics....

 

[hblueridgegal]

gorgeous shot

 

[raynman]

The SW corner towns of the mountains are open for business.

Went to Knoxville a couple weekends ago and my guides took me up to Cades Cove and Gatlinburg. Looks like I was a couple weekends too early, awesome views nonetheless

 

[Borsig]

Went to Knoxville a couple weekends ago and my guides took me up to Cades Cove and Gatlinburg. Looks like I was a couple weekends too early, awesome views nonetheless

Lots of hidden stuff in the cove if you know where to look.

 

[raynman]

Lots of hidden stuff in the cove if you know where to look.

We saw a momma bear and her cubs right on the side of the road munchin on some acorns or something. Like feet away from the car not long after we left the kiosk where you buy a ticket that enables you to park. Those were the only animals we saw and 2 hours later on the way out there was still a line of cars waiting to see them. The one thing I didn’t like about the experience was the damn rental UTVs. Like these people drove however long to get there to be out in nature and decided to park their car and rent a loud ass noise machine. So annoying.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Sorry, just so we’re clear: Are you saying the aid to Western NC is “being slow rolled” because they’re likely to vote Republican in the upcoming election?

As opposed to one of the many other explanations like:
- It’s not actually being “slow rolled” and workers are doing the best they can given the size and scope of the damage of the region. And I’m sure it being a mountainous area that’s unprepared for a hurricane to hit it doesn’t help speed things along either.
- FEMA is spread thin because not only do they have to help Western NC but also the Florida area…twice, all with a severely cut budget due to previous administrations.
- As mentioned earlier, there are those out there actively hunting FEMA workers, which would understandably make it more difficult to get aid to said areas safely.

- No, it's not being deliberately "slow rolled". When I got out there 700 National Guard and 1200 FEMA were there. That is not enough for a disaster zone the size of Belgium, but they were doing what they could. The Governor should have had more boots on the ground early (although my former unit wasn't available because they were in Iraq FFS). When the enormity of the damage became apparent the Biden admin should have immediately declared it a Title 10 operation, turned it over to NORTHCOM and ordered the 82nd Airborne in. They didn't come in for over a full 2 weeks.

- FEMA is spread thin. They are also constrained by bureaucracy and a "top down" approach, not appropriately engaging with locals for on the ground intel. The only time I saw them in action was in the neighborhood I was staying in Banner Elk, which was undamaged and had electricity restored, doing "welfare checks" which was useless. They are processing damage claims for folks rapidly however. I never saw a single official out in the towns- only fellow volunteers, by the hundreds. And the DOT. They did a freaking amazing job- laying down makeshift roads infront of us as we ran in supplies.

- There is literally nobody hunting FEMA, its fake news. Couple of good old boys in a truck encountered NG and were like "You boys FEMA? No? Well good, we don't like FEMA" and that was it. That's coming straight from the cops out there.

At the end of the day- it is the same old thing- government being somewhat inept and slow to respond. But they didn't interfere with us or make things worse- those are false stories as well. The good news is people out there are mad self-sufficient, pulled together and tons of people with resources spammed the area and organized quickly. Lots of great lessons learned for next time.

Sorry, just so we’re clear: Are you saying the aid to Western NC is “being slow rolled” because they’re likely to vote Republican in the upcoming election?

As opposed to one of the many other explanations like:
- It’s not actually being “slow rolled” and workers are doing the best they can given the size and scope of the damage of the region. And I’m sure it being a mountainous area that’s unprepared for a hurricane to hit it doesn’t help speed things along either.
- FEMA is spread thin because not only do they have to help Western NC but also the Florida area…twice, all with a severely cut budget due to previous administrations.
- As mentioned earlier, there are those out there actively hunting FEMA workers, which would understandably make it more difficult to get aid to said areas safely.

 

[Borsig]

- No, it's not being deliberately "slow rolled". When I got out there 700 National Guard and 1200 FEMA were there. That is not enough for a disaster zone the size of Belgium, but they were doing what they could. The Governor should have had more boots on the ground early (although my former unit wasn't available because they were in Iraq FFS). When the enormity of the damage became apparent the Biden admin should have immediately declared it a Title 10 operation, turned it over to NORTHCOM and ordered the 82nd Airborne in. They didn't come in for over a full 2 weeks.

- FEMA is spread thin. They are also constrained by bureaucracy and a "top down" approach, not appropriately engaging with locals for on the ground intel. The only time I saw them in action was in the neighborhood I was staying in Banner Elk, which was undamaged and had electricity restored, doing "welfare checks" which was useless. They are processing damage claims for folks rapidly however. I never saw a single official out in the towns- only fellow volunteers, by the hundreds. And the DOT. They did a freaking amazing job- laying down makeshift roads infront of us as we ran in supplies.

- There is literally nobody hunting FEMA, its fake news. Couple of good old boys in a truck encountered NG and were like "You boys FEMA? No? Well good, we don't like FEMA" and that was it. That's coming straight from the cops out there.

At the end of the day- it is the same old thing- government being somewhat inept and slow to respond. But they didn't interfere with us or make things worse- those are false stories as well. The good news is people out there are mad self-sufficient, pulled together and tons of people with resources spammed the area and organized quickly. Lots of great lessons learned for next time.

I was supposed to be in Candler last week but my wife is down with another pancreatits thing again.

My best friend said its moving faster for what it is, mostly on the backs of locals though

 

[Blueline Bomber]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848877220984660450

So Chik-Fil-A has created an animated show to be shown on their newly created streaming service.

You ever wanted to be in the room when ideas like this are pitched? Like, does it start off as a joke suggestion from someone and it’s unexpectedly taken seriously? Or is there market research that shows there are Chik-Fil-A customers demanding a streaming service from their chicken fast food joint?

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848877220984660450

So Chik-Fil-A has created an animated show to be shown on their newly created streaming service.

You ever wanted to be in the room when ideas like this are pitched? Like, does it start off as a joke suggestion from someone and it’s unexpectedly taken seriously? Or is there market research that shows there are Chik-Fil-A customers demanding a streaming service from their chicken fast food joint?

It's another in a long line of the right wing, evangelicals, et.al. taking over and creating media that can overtly or subjectively, like this will start off as, promote their agenda. Get into their heads early in this case.

 

[Derailed75]

It's another in a long line of the right wing, evangelicals, et.al. taking over and creating media that can overtly or subjectively, like this will start off as, promote their agenda. Get into their heads early in this case.

Well that sure is one way to look at it. Or another way is some parents who think differently than you do would like some programming they can show their children "which is of course their right as parents" that aligns with their beliefs. I mean what's great about this being a streaming service is only paying customers will have access to it so if you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I was supposed to be in Candler last week but my wife is down with another pancreatits thing again.

My best friend said its moving faster for what it is, mostly on the backs of locals though

Yeah Avery county was like 100% better the 2nd time I went in. The chainsaw gang I formed is still rocking, it has swelled to over a dozen dudes and they are out still every day clearing properties.

Really proud of Gen-Z who is out there in force also. High school guys in their pickup trucks running around with saws and axes, college girls from Lees McCrae rolling around in jeeps, etc.

It's another in a long line of the right wing, evangelicals, et.al. taking over and creating media that can overtly or subjectively, like this will start off as, promote their agenda. Get into their heads early in this case.

You have met meme requirements:

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Well that sure is one way to look at it. Or another way is some parents who think differently than you do would like some programming they can show their children "which is of course their right as parents" that aligns with their beliefs. I mean what's great about this being a streaming service is only paying customers will have access to it so if you don't like it, don't buy it.

So you're of the opinion this was something that was requested? Enough Chick-fil-A customers want a streaming service from their fast food restaurant to make it a worthwhile venture?

 

[Derailed75]

So you're of the opinion this was something that was requested? Enough Chick-fil-A customers want a streaming service from their fast food restaurant to make it a worthwhile venture?

No I'm of the opinion that the owners and share holders of Chic-fil-a feel like they can make a profit from this. Whether they do or not remains to be seen.

With that being said this is a streaming service not something broadcast that you can't turn away from. If you don't like it don't watch.

For the "party of tolerance" there sure seems to be a lack of it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

No I'm of the opinion that the owners and share holders of Chic-fil-a feel like they can make a profit from this. Whether they do or not remains to be seen.

With that being said this is a streaming service not something broadcast that you can't turn away from. If you don't like it don't watch.

For the "party of tolerance" there sure seems to be a lack of it.

I've not commented at all about politics with regards to this. Please don't get your knickers in a twist.

I simply don't see why anyone would choose to pay for a streaming service run by a fast food restaurant, nor do I see why Chick-fil-A believes this is something that can become a viable venture.

There are already complaints about how many streaming services there are, and I believe the amount of potential customers that would choose to pay for this service instead of (or in addition to) Netflix or Prime or whathaveyou is very, very limited.

Honestly, this seems like such a weird turn from Chick-fil-A that (IMO) has such a low chance of success, it seems more like a money-laundering scheme.

 

[DaveG]

Money laundering no, but a way to write down losses for a company that basically prints money to have a lower tax burden? Oh abso f***ing lutely

 

[Derailed75]

I've not commented at all about politics with regards to this. Please don't get your knickers in a twist.

I simply don't see why anyone would choose to pay for a streaming service run by a fast food restaurant, nor do I see why Chick-fil-A believes this is something that can become a viable venture.

There are already complaints about how many streaming services there are, and I believe the amount of potential customers that would choose to pay for this service instead of (or in addition to) Netflix or Prime or whathaveyou is very, very limited.

Honestly, this seems like such a weird turn from Chick-fil-A that (IMO) has such a low chance of success, it seems more like a money-laundering scheme.

It does seem a weird venture i agree. With that being said what it cost and what they make is not my business, honestly neither are their views. If they have good content they will get viewers if not they won't. The content they sold with their kids meals (veggie tales i think) seemed to do pretty good. Whether this will or won't, who knows. Channels like PAC and other Christian based channels did well enough, so maybe this will find a base!

 

[Negan4Coach]

No I'm of the opinion that the owners and share holders of Chic-fil-a feel like they can make a profit from this. Whether they do or not remains to be seen.

With that being said this is a streaming service not something broadcast that you can't turn away from. If you don't like it don't watch.

For the "party of tolerance" there sure seems to be a lack of it.

The way they get around that caveat is by the mantra "We tolerate everything but intolerance" which is the result of mining this insipid tautology from leftist philosopher Karl Popper: "

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”​