OT: Hurricanes Lounge XL. 99 Luftballons

[Negan4Coach]

If I blow anything more than 0.0 on a random test at work I can be fired, and most likely will. We get random drug tests, maybe once a year. For funsies they added a breathalyzer just to keep everyone on their toes. It didn’t go well for a couple of people who thought they were fine because they drank the night before and slept it off.

As for THC even though it’s legal in state we also have a zero tolerance policy.

Yeah I love how if you showed up at pretty much any job drunk, liquor on your breath, you'd be fired immediately.

Yet everywhere I go now, these goddamned hop-head kids are baked out of their minds at work, unable to competently complete even the most pedestrian of service related tasks. I hope they enjoy making coffee or french fried potatoes for the rest of their natural lives, because that will likely be the extent of their opportunities.

 

[SlavinAway]

Yeah I love how if you showed up at pretty much any job drunk, liquor on your breath, you'd be fired immediately.

Yet everywhere I go now, these goddamned hop-head kids are baked out of their minds at work, unable to competently complete even the most pedestrian of service related tasks. I hope they enjoy making coffee or french fried potatoes for the rest of their natural lives, because that will likely be the extent of their opportunities.

Where in the hell are you eating?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Where in the hell are you eating?

I was gonna say, I can’t think of a recent time I’ve seen anyone visibly high while on the clock. Is this a thing?

Upon further consideration, I wish they would get high. It would be more humane for them, and most places would have friendlier customer service without a loss of competence.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Where in the hell are you eating?

Well- the most egregious place that comes to mind is the Dunkin Doughnuts on Six Forks. My girls love the coffee drinks there, so I'll stop there on the way home from school to get that. Every time they are completely lunched, take forever to make them and get the order wrong.

Fiveguys? Lunched. Candy store on Falls of Neuse? In f***ing orbit. Many such cases!

Pot smell all over the place outside, and it's not even legal here yet. I used to be totally for legalization but like the rest of my Libertarian ideals that has gone by the boards in the face of reality. This country can't handle things anymore. It's always all-or-nothing, completely over the top in one direction or the other.

Example:

1989: "No we won't give you narcotics for chronic pain"

1994: "Pain is the 5th vital sign- here are 90 ten mg Percocets for your sprained ankle, sir."

2017: "Thanks to us getting half the country hooked on heroin, here is your Tylenol for your highly invasive knee surgery."

 

[Negan4Coach]

I was gonna say, I can’t think of a recent time I’ve seen anyone visibly high while on the clock. Is this a thing?

Upon further consideration, I wish they would get high. It would be more humane for them, and most places would have friendlier customer service without a loss of competence.

LOL, that is certainly not my lived experience. If vacant and spaced out is friendly, then I guess. Certainly not more competent. Perhaps it is more humane for them than having to suffer through an 8 hour shift of mind numbing service labor- but the awfulness of that is what is supposed to propel a young person to achieve more. If you want to deaden their senses so they accept a life of placid servitude (which it certainly seems the Coastal Technocrat class wants), then okay fine. Less competition for my kids.

 

[MinJaBen]

Go home NC, you drunk….

 

[Blueline Bomber]

“Your job is awful because it’s supposed to make you want to achieve more” is one of the more out-of-touch takes I’ve heard in a while.

The job is awful because it’s menial, mindless labor that pays very little and certainly not enough to justify the shit that’s flinged at them from customers and bosses alike.

And if they’re like most employees in those jobs, they’d like to be doing something else, but even entry level jobs require 5+ years in something that isn’t Dunkin Donuts, Fiveguys, etc.

So yeah, if they want to get high and the only consequence is that I might have to wait 5 more minutes for my food, more power to them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

LOL, that is certainly not my lived experience. If vacant and spaced out is friendly, then I guess. Certainly not more competent. Perhaps it is more humane for them than having to suffer through an 8 hour shift of mind numbing service labor- but the awfulness of that is what is supposed to propel a young person to achieve more. If you want to deaden their senses so they accept a life of placid servitude (which it certainly seems the Coastal Technocrat class wants), then okay fine. Less competition for my kids.

I mean if they were going to rebel against the system and achieve greatness or whatever, I highly doubt they’d be stoned at the Six Forks Dunkin’.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

“Your job is awful because it’s supposed to make you want to achieve more” is one of the more out-of-touch takes I’ve heard in a while.

The job is awful because it’s menial, mindless labor that pays very little and certainly not enough to justify the shit that’s flinged at them from customers and bosses alike.

And if they’re like most employees in those jobs, they’d like to be doing something else, but even entry level jobs require 5+ years in something that isn’t Dunkin Donuts, Fiveguys, etc.

So yeah, if they want to get high and the only consequence is that I might have to wait 5 more minutes for my food, more power to them.

It’s awful and pays little because there’s little to no skill involved. Not a super hot take.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Well- the most egregious place that comes to mind is the Dunkin Doughnuts on Six Forks. My girls love the coffee drinks there, so I'll stop there on the way home from school to get that. Every time they are completely lunched, take forever to make them and get the order wrong.

Fiveguys? Lunched. Candy store on Falls of Neuse? In f***ing orbit. Many such cases!

Pot smell all over the place outside, and it's not even legal here yet. I used to be totally for legalization but like the rest of my Libertarian ideals that has gone by the boards in the face of reality. This country can't handle things anymore. It's always all-or-nothing, completely over the top in one direction or the other.

Example:

1989: "No we won't give you narcotics for chronic pain"

1994: "Pain is the 5th vital sign- here are 90 ten mg Percocets for your sprained ankle, sir."

2017: "Thanks to us getting half the country hooked on heroin, here is your Tylenol for your highly invasive knee surgery."

Ok, Old Man Yelling At Cloud.

Do you know anyone who has ever worked in a kitchen? Let me assure you that being high is nothing remotely new in the food service industry, legalization or not. And if you're worried about the quality of service you're getting from your restaurant, you don't know the half of it and prolly don't want to know, lol.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It’s awful and pays little because there’s little to no skill involved. Not a super hot take.

If that’s the criteria, a lot of jobs that pay oodles of money should be paying a lot less.

Hell, I love my hockey job and it pays pretty well, but it’s basic video editing at the end of the day. And the supervisory/lead role above mine is more about knowing who to contact on site when a problem arises than any kind of skill intensive work, and that’s a legit salaried “actually live comfortably off the paycheck” job.

Meanwhile, teachers get paid jackshit and politicians get paid 6 or 7 figures to sit on their ass and muck up the democratic process.

 

[Negan4Coach]

“Your job is awful because it’s supposed to make you want to achieve more” is one of the more out-of-touch takes I’ve heard in a while.

The job is awful because it’s menial, mindless labor that pays very little and certainly not enough to justify the shit that’s flinged at them from customers and bosses alike.

And if they’re like most employees in those jobs, they’d like to be doing something else, but even entry level jobs require 5+ years in something that isn’t Dunkin Donuts, Fiveguys, etc.

So yeah, if they want to get high and the only consequence is that I might have to wait 5 more minutes for my food, more power to them.

No- it's not even remotely out of touch. I've had more shit jobs than you can shake a stick at. I worked in a goddamned movie theatre when I was 25. That was humiliation. After college I worked for years at other crap jobs because I picked English as a major and writing for the local paper paid $65 an article. We all make choices in life. The difference is, while we certainly weren't the most motivated employees, we didn't give up on capitalism and have to stay stoned all day just to cope. I didn't really make it until I was in my early 40s. Never quit.

Ok, Old Man Yelling At Cloud.

Do you know anyone who has ever worked in a kitchen? Let me assure you that being high is nothing remotely new in the food service industry, legalization or not. And if you're worried about the quality of service you're getting from your restaurant, you don't know the half of it and prolly don't want to know, lol.

Um, yes. I was a dishwasher at age 15. I also tended bar and waited tables, so know all about the kitchen personnel. The occasional joint smoked in the alley, sure, I saw it. Nothing compared to the pervasiveness of what I've seen recently.

And back then, weed wasn't genetically engineered to be incredibly potent and everyone didn't wake and bake ensuring their synapses were overloaded with THC constantly. Have you been to Colorado recently? I mean damn. I'm surprised y'all haven't noticed the change.

 

[Svechhammer]

Well- the most egregious place that comes to mind is the Dunkin Doughnuts on Six Forks. My girls love the coffee drinks there, so I'll stop there on the way home from school to get that. Every time they are completely lunched, take forever to make them and get the order wrong.

Fiveguys? Lunched. Candy store on Falls of Neuse? In f***ing orbit. Many such cases!

Pot smell all over the place outside, and it's not even legal here yet. I used to be totally for legalization but like the rest of my Libertarian ideals that has gone by the boards in the face of reality. This country can't handle things anymore. It's always all-or-nothing, completely over the top in one direction or the other.

Example:

1989: "No we won't give you narcotics for chronic pain"

1994: "Pain is the 5th vital sign- here are 90 ten mg Percocets for your sprained ankle, sir."

2017: "Thanks to us getting half the country hooked on heroin, here is your Tylenol for your highly invasive knee surgery."

Man, I know you're trying to exaggerate but that last point actually happened to my wife. After her C-section to deliver our first kid, REX had her on Tylenol for 24 hours because, and I shit you not, she said her pain was at a 9 out of 10, and they needed her to say it was between a 4 and 7. Nobody told her this and she was in misery until a nurse the next morning realized she had not yet been given actual pain meds.... For literally a major operation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If that’s the criteria, a lot of jobs that pay oodles of money should be paying a lot less.

Hell, I love my hockey job and it pays pretty well, but it’s basic video editing at the end of the day. And the supervisory/lead role above mine is more about knowing who to contact on site when a problem arises than any kind of skill intensive work, and that’s a legit salaried “actually live comfortably off the paycheck” job.

Meanwhile, teachers get paid jackshit and politicians get paid 6 or 7 figures to sit on their ass and muck up the democratic process.

Not to get in the middle of the whole debate, but many times knowing who to contact, knowing what to do when problems arise and knowing how to lead and organize IS a skill. I don't know your supervisor, but that's been my experience in industry.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Not to get in the middle of the whole debate, but many times knowing who to contact, knowing what to do when problems arise and knowing how to lead and organize IS a skill. I don't know your supervisor, but that's been my experience in industry.

Well, if all goes as planned, I’ll be in one of those roles starting next season and I’ll let you know then whether my opinion has changed. But based on what I’m doing now compared to what I currently see them do, it doesn’t look like a more skill-intensive job

 

[Lempo]

Not to get in the middle of the whole debate, but many times knowing who to contact, knowing what to do when problems arise and knowing how to lead and organize IS a skill. I don't know your supervisor, but that's been my experience in industry.

Yes. I would describe a good manager to be someone who actively removes the obstacles for the success of their subordinates who do the actual work.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well, if all goes as planned, I’ll be in one of those roles starting next season and I’ll let you know then whether my opinion has changed. But based on what I’m doing now compared to what I currently see them do, it doesn’t look like a more skill-intensive job

Depends on what you define as skill. I'm sure there's a lot more pressure and responsibility in that job, and likely a lot more that goes on that you may not see. A lot more people, management, etc.. skills.

I'm an electrical engineer by training and the first 10 years of my career, I did real electrical engineering as well as a lot of programming. The last 10 years of my career, I did almost no electrical engineering. I was basically a trouble-shooter for a hardware development group. The developers always wanted to work on creating something new and I liked fixing stuff that was broken or solving problems when things went wrong. They were happy to have me handling the things they didn't want to spend time on. It was more about knowing how to attack a problem, break it down into manageable chunks, knowing who to pull in, organizing the team, handling the politics of business, people skills, negotiation skills, and effectively communicating (particularly to customers).

 

[Negan4Coach]

Man, I know you're trying to exaggerate but that last point actually happened to my wife. After her C-section to deliver our first kid, REX had her on Tylenol for 24 hours because, and I shit you not, she said her pain was at a 9 out of 10, and they needed her to say it was between a 4 and 7. Nobody told her this and she was in misery until a nurse the next morning realized she had not yet been given actual pain meds.... For literally a major operation.

Unfortunately that part isn't the exaggeration. I know several people who have had surgeries without pain meds. I can't imagine going through my shoulder surgery with just tylenol.

And several times, I was given Oxy for dubious reasons. Smashed my head while snowboarding, had a concussion and mild brain swelling (BP 170/190 or something weird like that). Went on sick call, the Army helpfully gave me a huge bottle of Oxy, and another bottle of muscle relaxers- told me to lay in bed for 48 hours and eat both. I shit you not

I didn't mean to create a debate about the nature of the labor situation in this country- my main point is this country vacillates wildly between one ill-advised extreme or another, in many different areas.

Throwing people en-masse into jail for weed? Terrible. Making it readily available, pretending it is harmless and monetizing it for the state? Also terrible.

Gambling? Making it illegal across the board- not such a great idea, empowers organized crime. Legalizing it wholesale and pushing it into everyone's face 24/7? Awful- it will ruin professional sports.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

If that’s the criteria, a lot of jobs that pay oodles of money should be paying a lot less.

Hell, I love my hockey job and it pays pretty well, but it’s basic video editing at the end of the day. And the supervisory/lead role above mine is more about knowing who to contact on site when a problem arises than any kind of skill intensive work, and that’s a legit salaried “actually live comfortably off the paycheck” job.

Meanwhile, teachers get paid jackshit and politicians get paid 6 or 7 figures to sit on their ass and muck up the democratic process.

I have no problem with your last part. Meaning I wouldn’t argue against it.

I think you’d be surprised who can’t do basic video editing. Hell, the other night I had to have a cop show me how to airdrop a video to him from my phone.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Unfortunately that part isn't the exaggeration. I know several people who have had surgeries without pain meds. I can't imagine going through my shoulder surgery with just tylenol.

While I know it's not an exaggeration, I think using the opioid situation as an example of "This country can't handle things anymore. It's always all-or-nothing, completely over the top in one direction or the other" is completely ignoring what Purdue Pharma did to create the problem in the first place.

The lengths they went to in order to pay people off, convince doctors, and society that Oxy was "safe" and "not as addictive", etc.. and their part in encouraging, even creating, these pill mills to increase sales was criminal. Previously, doctors were very careful with opioids because of how addictive they were, but in the mid-late 90s, Oxy was prescribed almost like Tylenol due mainly to the campaign from Purdue.

Is there a large pendulum swing back the other way now? sure, but it's more back to the way it used to be and the "all or nothing" part of this was largely due to Purdue Pharma's campaign.

My wife was prescribed opioid pain killers a few years ago after her knee replacement surgery. After taking 1 pill, she refused to take any more because she was afraid of getting hooked. It made her feel that good.

For a good week though, she used language I never heard from her before.

 

[Svechhammer]

Unfortunately that part isn't the exaggeration. I know several people who have had surgeries without pain meds. I can't imagine going through my shoulder surgery with just tylenol.

And several times, I was given Oxy for dubious reasons. Smashed my head while snowboarding, had a concussion and mild brain swelling (BP 170/190 or something weird like that). Went on sick call, the Army helpfully gave me a huge bottle of Oxy, and another bottle of muscle relaxers- told me to lay in bed for 48 hours and eat both. I shit you not

I didn't mean to create a debate about the nature of the labor situation in this country- my main point is this country vacillates wildly between one ill-advised extreme or another, in many different areas.

Throwing people en-masse into jail for weed? Terrible. Making it readily available, pretending it is harmless and monetizing it for the state? Also terrible.

Gambling? Making it illegal across the board- not such a great idea, empowers organized crime. Legalizing it wholesale and pushing it into everyone's face 24/7? Awful- it will ruin professional sports.

I will say this. I think REX realized they went overboard on their policy because when we went back a couple years ago for our second child, also a C-Section, they had her on the appropriate medicine from the start, and couldn't believe our experience the first time around. Same hospital, same wing, just 3 years apart.

If we're going down the rabbit hole of shitty overmedication, we should all be f***ing terrified of what India is doing right now with prescribing antibiotics for literally everything under the sun. Unless they reign their shit under control, its only a matter of time before an antibiotic resistant super bug comes out of that region, and when that happens we're all f***ed.

While I know it's not an exaggeration, I think using the opioid situation as an example of "This country can't handle things anymore. It's always all-or-nothing, completely over the top in one direction or the other" is completely ignoring what Purdue Pharma did to create the problem in the first place.

The lengths they went to in order to pay people off, convince doctors, and society that Oxy was "safe" and "not as addictive", etc.. and their part in encouraging, even creating, these pill mills to increase sales was criminal. Previously, doctors were very careful with opioids because of how addictive they were, but in the mid-late 90s, Oxy was prescribed almost like Tylenol due mainly to the campaign from Purdue.

Is there a large pendulum swing back the other way now? sure, but it's more back to the way it used to be and the "all or nothing" part of this was largely due to Purdue Pharma's campaign.

My wife was prescribed opioid pain killers a few years ago after her knee replacement surgery. After taking 1 pill, she refused to take any more because she was afraid of getting hooked. It made her feel that good.

For a good week though, she used language I never heard from her before.

I guess I'm fortunate. Every time I've had an opioid (only prescription, never done that recreational) I end up feeling sick to my stomach. My body just does not react well to them at all.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Speaking of workday challenges…



Always good for a laugh.

 

[MinJaBen]

If we're going down the rabbit hole of shitty overmedication, we should all be f***ing terrified of what India is doing right now with prescribing antibiotics for literally everything under the sun. Unless they reign their shit under control, its only a matter of time before an antibiotic resistant super bug comes out of that region, and when that happens we're all f***ed.

Hate to scare you further, but you don't have to go to India to find a place ripe for an antibiotic resistant bug risk, you just need to go to rural NC and find a hog farm. Most animal farms are ripe with over use of antibiotics. It is given to them in their feed even if there is no sign of any illness. Same antibiotics we use and a lot of zoonotic infections come from swine.

Relatedly, if any of you are still in the dating pool....wrap it up tightly. Some scary STIs out there now with almost no antibiotics that are effective.

 

[sabremike]

The Mike Francesca of financial advice strikes again!

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

wtf? Tell me this isn’t going to be a thing…