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[Boom Boom Apathy]

The big difference there is how long traces remain in you system. You can drink on a Saturday night with no worries about failing a test on Monday. Depending on the type of testing, isn't THC detectable for 30 days post use (urine test)? Or up to 90 days, if they test hair samples?

Yep, that's true, but you can be legally sober and still have trace amounts of alcohol the next morning if you had a few drink the night before. In the job my brother in law, he'd be fired.

My point though is more that I don't think companies are going to allow THC in the blood of people in certain jobs, regardless if it's a case of it's in the system for a lot longer. It's happening today in many states.

Like I said earlier, it's going to be interesting to watch, particularly as more and more states legalize it.

 

[raynman]

Even without that, carry it over to alcohol. In some jobs, you can't have even a trace of alcohol in your system, even though you legally obtained it and drank it. My brother in-law used to run heavy equipment in a construction job. They were randomly tested on a regular basis (he got tested 13 times one year) and if there was even a trace of alcohol or any other drug in his system, he was out of a job.

There's nothing stopping a company from doing the same for pot, when it's legal.

The big difference there is how long traces remain in you system. You can drink on a Saturday night with no worries about failing a test on Monday. Depending on the type of testing, isn't THC detectable for 30 days post use (urine test) or up to 90 days if they test hair samples?

I worked in a manufacturing facility (aerospace) that drug tested for initial employment and then only if there was cause like an accident or injury. One day a cnc operator crashed her extremely expensive machine into an area where a 2nd operator would often sit. She tested positive for cocaine. Because of the union she wasn’t fired but was “demoted” to a much less skilled position though she kept her pay rate from the previous position.

Cocaine only stays in your system for a minimal amount of time so for all anyone knows she was smoking crack on the way into work

 

[bleedgreen]

Yep, that's true, but you can be legally sober and still have trace amounts of alcohol the next morning if you had a few drink the night before. In the job my brother in law, he'd be fired.

My point though is more that I don't think companies are going to allow THC in the blood of people in certain jobs, regardless if it's a case of it's in the system for a lot longer. It's happening today in many states.

Like I said earlier, it's going to be interesting to watch, particularly as more and more states legalize it.

If I blow anything more than 0.0 on a random test at work I can be fired, and most likely will. We get random drug tests, maybe once a year. For funsies they added a breathalyzer just to keep everyone on their toes. It didn’t go well for a couple of people who thought they were fine because they drank the night before and slept it off.

As for THC even though it’s legal in state we also have a zero tolerance policy.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Got my deposit from my old apartment back today. The smart thing to do would be to deposit all of it and save that money to be used for emergencies down the line.

But on the other hand, this is unexpected windfall, and my birthday is coming up…If I order a Steam Deck today, it’ll likely arrive only a few days after my birthday.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It’s more about being for losers, by and large. No offense to anyone, of course.

Famous losers:

Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Carl Sagan
Sergey Brin
Elon Musk
Ted Turner
Stephen Colbert
Maya Angelou
Quentin Tarantino
Stephen King
Jordan Peele
Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Michael Bloomberg
Richard Branson
Mark Cuban
Peter Lewis, former CEO of Progressive Insurance
George Zimmer, founder of Men's Wearhouse
an obvious and endless list of artists

I mean, I'll cop to being a loser, since I'm wasting my time on here with you other losers. But c'mon. 60% of Americans drink alcohol regularly and don't give a shit about its effects on their long term health or cognition. Spare me.

 

[raynman]

Famous losers:

Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Carl Sagan
Sergey Brin
Elon Musk
Ted Turner
Stephen Colbert
Maya Angelou
Quentin Tarantino
Stephen King
Jordan Peele
Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Michael Bloomberg
Richard Branson
Mark Cuban
Peter Lewis, former CEO of Progressive Insurance
George Zimmer, founder of Men's Wearhouse
an obvious and endless list of artists

I mean, I'll cop to being a loser, since I'm wasting my time on here with you other losers. But c'mon. 60% of Americans drink alcohol regularly and don't give a shit about its effects on their long term health or cognition. Spare me.

Don’t forget Barry Obama and the Choom Gang

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Don’t forget Barry Obama and the Choom Gang

The list of politicians, on all sides, was too long to include, and besides, politicians are too easily categorized as "losers" by the glib.

But while we're on the subject: Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Taylor, Pierce are all presidents who either definitely or likely partook.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

60% of Americans drink alcohol regularly and don't give a shit about its effects on their long term health or cognition. Spare me.

On a separate note, my wife and I were just talking about how much revolves around alcohol in the US. We were looking for something different to do last Friday and went to one of those websites that displays local events. I bet 90% of them either were something to do with alcohol or at a bar/club etc..

In our neighborhood, they are always arranging events. Happy hour, Wine tasting, Paint and sip, mixology, or just sit around the fire drinking beer, etc..

It's a $250B business for a reason.

My mother and father rarely drank, but both her father and eldest brother were/are recovered alcoholics. Don't know if it's genetic, but she's adopted.

 

[cptjeff]

The list of politicians, on all sides, was too long to include, and besides, politicians are too easily categorized as "losers" by the glib.

But while we're on the subject: Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Taylor, Pierce are all presidents who either definitely or likely partook.

When documents of that era refer to hemp, they're referring to... hemp. The industrial stuff used to make rope (in huge demand those days for ships) that contains only trace amounts of THC. The Virginia plantation guys grew a lot of it. No credible historian thinks any of them did pot, it's chain email quality sourcing. Monroe apparently did smoke hash, so you got one.

All of those you listed were drinkers though, some far more prodigiously than others. Pierce was a barely functional alcoholic. Jefferson bankrupted himself with fine wine and repeated and failed attempts at making his own vineyards.

Apart from Monroe, presidents involved with pot is a pretty short and modern list- one mistress said she had JFK try it, and then the credibly sourced list is just Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Barack Obama.

Oh, and when Bill Clinton talked about trying smoking and not liking it? Other people with him at Oxford at the time say he was into edibles.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

If you're at all interested, the Nixon tapes have an absolute ton of conversations about Nixon's feelings about marijuana, and specifically how he compared it to alcohol. The rationalizations are just next level absurdity. Here's a conversation between Nixon and Art Linkletter:

AL: "Yes. [unintelligible] Really. But, but another big difference between marijuana and alcohol is that when people smoke marijuana, they smoke it to get high. In every case, when most people drink, they drink to be sociable. You don't see people --"

RN: "That's right, that's right."

AL: "They sit down with a marijuana cigarette to get high --"

RN: "A person does not drink to get drunk."

AL: "That's right."

RN: "A person drinks to have fun."

https://www.csdp.org/research/nixonpot.txt

Wow. This is just the dumbest shit imaginable, and nonsense conversations like this became the basis of our draconian marijuana policy for decades.

I've got two good friends who are dealing right now with their own alcohol problems. One, an executive at a Very Large Tech Company, has alcohol withdrawal symptoms so bad that he drinks half a handle a day just to keep the shakes away.

I've known some pretty serious potheads, and yeah, they're pretty muddled, for sure. But they don't smoke weed because ceasing to smoke weed could literally kill them.

Anyway.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

None of them did, sorry to burst your bubble. When documents of that era refer to hemp, they're referring to... hemp. The industrial stuff used to make rope (in huge demand those days for ships) that contains only trace amounts of THC. The Virginia plantation guys grew a lot of it.

All of those you listed were drinkers though, some far more prodigiously than others. Pierce was a barely functional alcoholic. Jefferson bankrupted himself with fine wine and repeated and failed attempts at making his own vineyards.

Fair enough. I can't find primary sources, so I'll admit that this is speculative.

So let's take Queen Victoria instead, who was prescribed tincture of cannabis by her doctor in 1890 -- easy enough, since cannabis was widely used in Victorian England.

EDITORIAL

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[tarheelhockey]

To me it’s more about using some common sense about which jobs are being tested. In some cases it’s perfectly legit to demand they stay clean. I don’t want to be on a plane with a pilot who would test positive for meth, y’know?

But why would I care if my auto mechanic can pass a THC test? Of course I don’t want him actively high while he’s working on my brakes, but I also don’t want him actively drunk either. The solution to that is supervisory in nature, not about drug testing.

I think at some point, with it being legal and so widespread, a lot of companies are going to take a step back and say “we’re firing people and losing new hires because we’re testing for this… let’s not do that”.

Separately but within that same timeframe, I expect eventually some court will say “this company fired an employee for using a legal drug as advised by their doctor, which had no bearing on their job performance… let’s not do that”.

 

[The Stranger]

Oh, and when Bill Clinton talked about trying smoking and not liking it? Other people with him at Oxford at the time say he was into edibles.

Bill Clinton, cigar aficionado, smoked pot...but he did not inhale. I have no reason to believe he would lie.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

To me it’s more about using some common sense about which jobs are being tested. In some cases it’s perfectly legit to demand they stay clean. I don’t want to be on a plane with a pilot who would test positive for meth, y’know?

But why would I care if my auto mechanic can pass a THC test? Of course I don’t want him actively high while he’s working on my brakes, but I also don’t want him actively drunk either. The solution to that is supervisory in nature, not about drug testing.

But isn't that how it is today for the most part? I worked in the tech field and the automotive industry and never once had the testing requirement. My brother was a plumber and never once had the requirement. My sister is in finance and never once had the requirement. My brother in law operated heavy machinery, and had the requirement.

I don't think the guys working at Mr. Tire are getting regularly drug tested.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But isn't that how it is today for the most part? I worked in the tech field and the automotive industry and never once had the testing requirement. My brother was a plumber and never once had the requirement. My sister is in finance and never once had the requirement. My brother in law operated heavy machinery, and had the requirement.

I don't think the guys working at Mr. Tire are getting regularly drug tested.

I’ve been drug tested for 3 of the last 4 jobs I’ve had, all of which were white collar desk jobs. When I was just out of college I got drug tested to work a summer in an office.

Indeed.com allows users to search based on drug testing requirements. Here’s a list of real job openings that require it. Some make sense (forklift driver) but the majority don’t (customer service rep, painter, HVAC tech, plumber, collections agent, mail processing clerk, administrative assistant, etc).

As usual, this sort of thing hits especially hard against low-wage workers. Imagine trying to get by on an entry level job and then losing it because you smoked a joint at a party last month.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’ve been drug tested for 3 of the last 4 jobs I’ve had, all of which were white collar desk jobs. When I was just out of college I got drug tested to work a summer in an office.

Indeed.com allows users to search based on drug testing requirements. Here’s a list of real job openings that require it. Some make sense (forklift driver) but the majority don’t (customer service rep, painter, HVAC tech, plumber, collections agent, mail processing clerk, administrative assistant, etc).

As usual, this sort of thing hits especially hard against low-wage workers. Imagine trying to get by on an entry level job and then losing it because you smoked a joint at a party last month.

Interesting. I guess I can see drug testing before hiring someone and investing in them, I was more referring to ongoing testing. Like I said, I was in the auto industry and tech industry for 30+ years and never once was drug tested, but I also haven't applied for a job in over 30 years.

 

[Lempo]

painter

All painters are drunks but not all drunks are painters.

I have been told this repeatedly by industrial painters I work with.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Interesting. I guess I can see drug testing before hiring someone and investing in them, I was more referring to ongoing testing. Like I said, I was in the auto industry and tech industry for 30+ years and never once was drug tested, but I also haven't applied for a job in over 30 years.

Lucky you!

FWIW my issue with this is really just around THC. I understand employers not wanting to hire someone who’s nursing a meth habit or something. But weed is a private choice, except in cases where the job clearly requires crystal clear 24/7 sobriety. For other jobs, it’s none of the company’s business.

But @MinJaBen makes a good point upthread, federal law really sets the tone for this stuff moreso than local law. So it might take an act of Congress or a landmark court case to fix the system.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Interesting. I guess I can see drug testing before hiring someone and investing in them, I was more referring to ongoing testing. Like I said, I was in the auto industry and tech industry for 30+ years and never once was drug tested, but I also haven't applied for a job in over 30 years.

The early Red Hat policy was literally "please don't bring drugs to work." If you've ever seen the Linux kernel up close, you will occasionally wonder how closely that policy was followed.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

My favorite lettuce is iceberg

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

My favorite lettuce is iceberg

Cost saving tip. Just eat ice cubes. They are both just crunchy water.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Cost saving tip. Just eat ice cubes. They are both just crunchy water.

Zaxby’s ice goes good on sandwiches

 

[MinJaBen]

Cost saving tip. Just eat ice cubes. They are both just crunchy water.

Tap water has more minerals.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just eat ice cubes.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I said cubeS.

So