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[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[HeadInjury]

The reason South Korea is seemingly much better prepared is because they have the experience of having dealt with the SARS and MERS outbreaks in recent history, not necessarily because they have universal healthcare.

Italy has universal healthcare. It hasn't helped.

That's because the issue is not what healthcare system your country has, but what its approach it is taking to attempt to control the spread. It undoubtedly helps in China that when the population is told to do something by the government, they tend to do it. Whether that's because they trust or just fear their government doesn't matter. It's also easier to enforce a lock down like they had in Wuhan in a totalitarian country.

We are learning things in real time. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. In the USA and Italy, this is hitting seniors particularly hard. However, in France, half of the people in the ICUs are under 60. What does that mean? Who knows.

There will likely be an explosion in cases in the U.S. shortly due to the availability of testing. Right now, deaths per total reported cases in the U.S. is 1.8%. That number will likely crater because we are able to track who has died from it pretty well right now. We just don't have a grip yet on how many people have it.

And the blame game at this point is irrelevant. Just do what you can to promote social isolation. I convinced my 87-year old dad this weekend to isolate for the next two weeks. Just spread the word to everyone you know. I explained to a friend last night why Newsom closed the bars. He went from pissed to "ok, I get it" in about 1 minute.

 

[KINGS17]

Italy has universal healthcare. It hasn't helped.

That's because the issue is not what healthcare system your country has, but what its approach it is taking to attempt to control the spread. It undoubtedly helps in China that when the population is told to do something by the government, they tend to do it. Whether that's because they trust or just fear their government doesn't matter. It's also easier to enforce a lock down like they had in Wuhan in a totalitarian country.

We are learning things in real time. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. In the USA and Italy, this is hitting seniors particularly hard. However, in France, half of the people in the ICUs are under 60. What does that mean? Who knows.

There will likely be an explosion in cases in the U.S. shortly due to the availability of testing. Right now, deaths per total reported cases in the U.S. is 1.8%. That number will likely crater because we are able to track who has died from it pretty well right now. We just don't have a grip yet on how many people have it.

And the blame game at this point is irrelevant. Just do what you can to promote social isolation. I convinced my 87-year old dad this weekend to isolate for the next two weeks. Just spread the word to everyone you know. I explained to a friend last night why Newsom closed the bars. He went from pissed to "ok, I get it" in about 1 minute.

It would be interesting to know the percentage of the population of different countries who are cigarette smokers, and the impact it has on the ages of people affected.

 

[kingsholygrail]

It would be interesting to know the percentage of the population of different countries who are cigarette smokers, and the impact it has on the ages of people affected.

Smoking is part of the French stereotype, though I'm not familiar with their current approach to it. I think there's been moves to try to end smoking in France.

 

[Bandit]

The type of criticism you are describing comes later and is for the betterment of all. The type of criticism I was describing can be summarized as Impeachment Attempt 2.0. They are not the same, and if you are honest, 99% of the criticism you hear now is of the latter variety (especially from NPR, CNN, MSNBC, etc.). Absolutely disgusting when we are in the middle of what is in its entirety a humanitarian crisis. To play politics at a time like this is simply deranged. It is no better than opportunistic hoarders that induce panic buying in order to re-sell later at exorbitant prices. Opportunism, whether political or financial, has no place now. We are in this together.

You're not wrong, but that starts at the top, something the current president fails to realize. You can't call the virus "a hoax by the Democrats to get me out of office" then tell the people responding "don't make it political".

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

There's a reason this hasn't been done yet, and you guys that are smarter than me can tell me why (most of the board at this point)

What's the downside of just shutting EVERYTHING down for a month, (outside of absolute necessities) telling banks, mortgage holders, CCs, utilities, pause your collections, keep everything running, but pause everything.

Police, fire, emergency obvioulsy essential, as are food processes, trucking, etc, but just pause everything, each state brings in the national guard for logistics, deliveries, etc,

I'm sorry, but people as a whole, are stupid, stupid, stupid beings. 1 person sees another buy 2 packs of toliet paper, then, he goes and buys 4, and person who sees him buys 4, etc etc,

So what's the downside into bringing the country to a grinding halt for 30 days, mandated quarantine, yes, people are not working, BUT people are not accruing expenses either, neither are they spreading the disease en mass.

It's extremely difficult to put in place, I get that, it's also flies in the face of freedom for all, but is that the only argument, cuz we are free?

 

[KINGS17]

I went to the grocery store this morning at 6:30 to grab some eggs for breakfast. The store had changed their hours to be open from 8 am to 9 pm (normal hours 6 am - 11 pm) until things settle down. There was a line to get in the store of about 50 people. People are stupid. I turned the car around in the parking lot, and had oatmeal for breakfast.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Yeah, get over the fact that politicizing disease is disgusting.

Ugh.

Get over yourself. Is that better?

 

[HeadInjury]

349 deaths today in Italy. At this pace, they will surpass China in total deaths in 2 to 3 days. (Although China's official numbers may very well be under reported.)

 

[No Name The Nameless]

No. I have no tolerance for people that put politics over everything. No one should, including you.

Who cares what your tolerance is for?

 

[redcard]

There's a reason this hasn't been done yet, and you guys that are smarter than me can tell me why (most of the board at this point)

What's the downside of just shutting EVERYTHING down for a month, (outside of absolute necessities) telling banks, mortgage holders, CCs, utilities, pause your collections, keep everything running, but pause everything.

Police, fire, emergency obvioulsy essential, as are food processes, trucking, etc, but just pause everything, each state brings in the national guard for logistics, deliveries, etc,

I'm sorry, but people as a whole, are stupid, stupid, stupid beings. 1 person sees another buy 2 packs of toliet paper, then, he goes and buys 4, and person who sees him buys 4, etc etc,

So what's the downside into bringing the country to a grinding halt for 30 days, mandated quarantine, yes, people are not working, BUT people are not accruing expenses either, neither are they spreading the disease en mass.

It's extremely difficult to put in place, I get that, it's also flies in the face of freedom for all, but is that the only argument, cuz we are free?

Essential services require their own essential services. You have to keep grocery stores and pharmacies open and stocked, so you have to keep that entire supply chain open. You have to fuel the trucks, so that entire industry stays open, you have to be able to maintain the trucks, hospitals need to stay open. What happens if a washing machine breaks at the hospital? How does the nurse who relies on public transportation get to the hospital? How many people are already barely getting by financially and need their next paycheck to buy food? Have to keep trash collection running, plumbing services, phone lines, etc.

Our cities are massive machines with so many moving parts and the essential services themselves require so many of the parts to continue functioning. We can certainly "trim the fat" but shutting everything down is going to have massive ramifications as well including loss of life.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Essential services require their own essential services. You have to keep grocery stores and pharmacies open and stocked, so you have to keep that entire supply chain open. You have to fuel the trucks, so that entire industry stays open, you have to be able to maintain the trucks, hospitals need to stay open. What happens if a washing machine breaks at the hospital? How does the nurse who relies on public transportation get to the hospital? How many people are already barely getting by financially and need their next paycheck to buy food? Have to keep trash collection running, plumbing services, phone lines, etc.

Our cities are massive machines with so many moving parts and the essential services themselves require so many of the parts to continue functioning. We can certainly "trim the fat" but shutting everything down is going to have massive ramifications as well including loss of life.

Like I said, smarter people than me, I knew it wasn't as simple as I thought it should/could be....

 

[Kingnut]

Smoking is part of the French stereotype, though I'm not familiar with their current approach to it. I think there's been moves to try to end smoking in France.

From the early 90's to the early 2000's, I use to go to Paris, London... etc 2X a yr. The smoking isnt nearly as bad as say in Belgium. I think they imbibe more in the wine, however thats not to say the smoking wasnt bad before then.

 

[Kingnut]

I went to the grocery store this morning at 6:30 to grab some eggs for breakfast. The store had changed their hours to be open from 8 am to 9 pm (normal hours 6 am - 11 pm) until things settle down. There was a line to get in the store of about 50 people. People are stupid. I turned the car around in the parking lot, and had oatmeal for breakfast.

We had not done any panic buying etc... I would just like to buy some eggs and other groceries to last me a few days at a time but the lines and peoples behavior are unsettling

 

[crassbonanza]

Essential services require their own essential services. You have to keep grocery stores and pharmacies open and stocked, so you have to keep that entire supply chain open. You have to fuel the trucks, so that entire industry stays open, you have to be able to maintain the trucks, hospitals need to stay open. What happens if a washing machine breaks at the hospital? How does the nurse who relies on public transportation get to the hospital? How many people are already barely getting by financially and need their next paycheck to buy food? Have to keep trash collection running, plumbing services, phone lines, etc.

Our cities are massive machines with so many moving parts and the essential services themselves require so many of the parts to continue functioning. We can certainly "trim the fat" but shutting everything down is going to have massive ramifications as well including loss of life.

That seems to be the tough thing, defining what an "essential need" is. I suppose we are about to find out with San Francisco ordering a shelter in place requiring citizens to stay home except for essential needs.

 

[Bandit]

I went to the grocery store this morning at 6:30 to grab some eggs for breakfast. The store had changed their hours to be open from 8 am to 9 pm (normal hours 6 am - 11 pm) until things settle down. There was a line to get in the store of about 50 people. People are stupid. I turned the car around in the parking lot, and had oatmeal for breakfast.

Yeah but the problem is that stupid people make it harder on everyone else, so some of those people in line were probably people that were assed out over the weekend. I went to 4 grocery stores over the weekend just to do the normal shopping we do for the week, and still walked away with no chicken, no lamb, no Italian sausages, no 2% milk, and no ground turkey.

 

[ricardfromage]

Get over yourself. Is that better?

Interesting comment coming from someone who spends so much time fussing over their outward appearance.

Maybe I am just flexing my opinion.

As of today there are 181,344 infected/cases worldwide.

With 7,340 deaths and 78,388 recoveries. Sure the numbers are ever changing and while the death totals will continue to rise so will the infected but also true will be the number of recovered individuals which is significantly higher then either of the other two categories so far thank god.

Here is hoping we all will stay safe and that everyone who can will help everyone who needs it.

Oh and I care that everyone get's a chance to share their opinion(s) for what it is worth. including bambam.

 

[ricardfromage]

fixed it.

 

[AzKing]

An NHL team physician told ESPN they don’t believe the coronavirus spread will subside until June, putting the Stanley Cup playoffs in question. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said last week the goal is to resume play at the earliest chance.

The other problem is going to be trying to even find arenas that don't have events scheduled. Most places like Staples Center have a full calendar for the Summer to supplement lack of sporting events. If things clear up, those events will continue.

They aren't going to boot a major concert to play a basketball or hockey game. They can't legally do that. If the NBA is extended as well, you will have two sports needing places to play.

 

[KINGS17]

Yeah but the problem is that stupid people make it harder on everyone else, so some of those people in line were probably people that were assed out over the weekend. I went to 4 grocery stores over the weekend just to do the normal shopping we do for the week, and still walked away with no chicken, no lamb, no Italian sausages, no 2% milk, and no ground turkey.

That's fair. If you are out of everything you have to be in line before the store opens. I waited and went at lunch and found plenty of milk, but the bread was completely cleaned out as were the tortillas. I hope some of this food spoils before the hoarders get to eat it.

Meanwhile, there have been 77 deaths and 4,455 reported cases of coronavirus in the United States. I would like to start hearing something regarding the criteria which will be used to determine when it is time to return to normal. The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, are we all going to sit inside for six months and watch the entire economy go down the tubes?

United States Coronavirus: 4,455 Cases and 77 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[HeadInjury]

Kings17's post is 20 minutes ago and US deaths are now up to 85. It's beginning to spike.

Edit: I don't mean to suggest that 8 people died in the last 20 minutes. There are 17 deaths so far today, which is the spike I'm referring to.

 

[Lt Dan]

Coronavirus vaccine test opens with 1st doses given – Orange County Register

 

[redcard]

That's fair. If you are out of everything you have to be in line before the store opens. I waited and went at lunch and found plenty of milk, but the bread was completely cleaned out as were the tortillas. I hope some of this food spoils before the hoarders get to eat it.

Meanwhile, there have been 77 deaths and 4,455 reported cases of coronavirus in the United States. I would like to start hearing something regarding the criteria which will be used to determine when it is time to return to normal. The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, are we all going to sit inside for six months and watch the entire economy go down the tubes?

United States Coronavirus: 4,455 Cases and 77 Deaths - Worldometer

The expectation is that at a certain point the hospitals are going to run out of beds and temporary hospitals/care centers will pop up. This is the high risk period because if someone requires hospitalization (whether for the virus or anything else) but there's no room for them they may die where as they would have survived had the hospitals not been overrun. So the indicator for returning to normal is probably when the temporary hospitals start closing like they did in Wuhon last week.

 

[AzKing]

There's a reason this hasn't been done yet, and you guys that are smarter than me can tell me why (most of the board at this point)

What's the downside of just shutting EVERYTHING down for a month, (outside of absolute necessities) telling banks, mortgage holders, CCs, utilities, pause your collections, keep everything running, but pause everything.

Police, fire, emergency obvioulsy essential, as are food processes, trucking, etc, but just pause everything, each state brings in the national guard for logistics, deliveries, etc,

I'm sorry, but people as a whole, are stupid, stupid, stupid beings. 1 person sees another buy 2 packs of toliet paper, then, he goes and buys 4, and person who sees him buys 4, etc etc,

So what's the downside into bringing the country to a grinding halt for 30 days, mandated quarantine, yes, people are not working, BUT people are not accruing expenses either, neither are they spreading the disease en mass.

It's extremely difficult to put in place, I get that, it's also flies in the face of freedom for all, but is that the only argument, cuz we are free?

Your idea makes a ton of sense but I get the feeling that the financial aspects override all rational thought. It may be that you have to take things out of people's hands because you will never get 100% of a buy-in otherwise. You get complete losers like this:

An influencer filmed herself licking a plane toilet seat for ‘clout’ on TikTok as part of a ‘coronavirus challenge’

 

[Bandit]

Your idea makes a ton of sense but I get the feeling that the financial aspects override all rational thought. It may be that you have to take things out of people's hands because you will never get 100% of a buy-in otherwise. You get complete losers like this:

An influencer filmed herself licking a plane toilet seat for ‘clout’ on TikTok as part of a ‘coronavirus challenge’

I hope she gets a mild case of dysentery and runs out of toilet paper. What a moron.