Player Discussion How overpaid is Tavares

[thewave]

I’d put Domi ahead of JT in terms of on-ice impact, and Domi went for $3.75x5 as a UFA. Domi is a WAY better skater, more dynamic with the puck, makes more happen at even strength, I slightly prefer him on the PP too, and I think the 2 are a wash defensively.

I’d put McMann roughly on par with JT, and he went for $1.35x2 as a UFA, though that was definitely a steal.

Overall I think his fair market value is about $3 mil AAV, so he’s about $8 mil AAV overpaid IMO. I’d be cool with signing him to a short term deal at $3 mil AAV, but wouldn’t want to go long term at that cap, as he’s clearly declining. But if he’s getting ~$4-5 mil offers from other teams, and wants us to match, we should just walk, we can get better players for that price.

I think for 3m you could get a player that isn't salty about losing the C and can skate and do things better.

So with JT. Cut bait, let him go.

 

[notDatsyuk]

My calculator only goes up to 18 digits.

 

[wingman75]

The falloff this season is even more drastic than last. Will be interesting to see how they navigate this.

 

[Evilhomer]

The falloff this season is even more drastic than last. Will be interesting to see how they navigate this.

We know the team will sign him, but it really is time to move on. He will continue to produce points, but the drop in foot speed has become an issue.

 

[wingman75]

We know the team will sign him, but it really is time to move on. He will continue to produce points, but the drop in foot speed has become an issue.

I dunno how he will still get points. He has already slowed from the start of the season imo. I thought he would be the same as last season and extend for about $4 mil per season. If he's not a point produced, he cannot be a defensive C I don't believe... move to the wing? Still slow there... I never would have thought I'd agree with moving on from him, but... unless things change drastically, that might be the preferred play.

 

[Evilhomer]

I dunno how he will still get points. He has already slowed from the start of the season imo. I thought he would be the same as last season and extend for about $4 mil per season. If he's not a point produced, he cannot be a defensive C I don't believe... move to the wing? Still slow there... I never would have thought I'd agree with moving on from him, but... unless things change drastically, that might be the preferred play.

Ultimately, we know it's moot. The team is going to resign him. He will retire here.

 

[Craig Button]

around the same amount Matthews is

 

[Maple Leaf]

Mayne why they got tavwers Jason Allison

 

[GQS]

Ultimately, we know it's moot. The team is going to resign him. He will retire here.

I'm torn on Tavares. On the one hand I'm not completely against re-signing him if he's willing to take a Spezza/Giordano type of dirt cheap deal. He's still a decent player if no longer great. On the otherhand it wouldn't be a bad idea let him walk and move one or two other core players and be done with this current core of players that clearly doesn't have the right chemistry and mix to be successful in the playoffs and even often in the regular season.

I look at this current group and it doesn't even remotely look like a Stanley cup contending team. Break this core up and start again. Move out Marner and Rielly for a decent haul and see if you can't get anything for Tavares and if not then make a decision about him in the offseason. As much as I hoped and cheered for this group of players to succeed, it hasn't worked out and its time to move on.

 

[klmdg]

His decline the past few seasons has been astonishing

He basically went from his early 30s to his late 30s in the span of one summer

Considering the team's massive failures with him as captain, I would not want him back, even at league minimum

Unfortunately, JT will be extended if Shanahan is still here and the contract will be gross

 

[thewave]

Ultimately, we know it's moot. The team is going to resign him. He will retire here.

If that's the mentality of this team, forget about winning. Just enjoy your Leafs cup night to night and let the playoffs go.

JT is done
Morgan is broken
MM is a good player that is going to destroy our cap.

They need room to expand internally cap wise and external to get some cost effective wingers and a 2c.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He's not coming back. He's at the very end of his career. WAY better options

 

[HockeyVirus]

He's not coming back. He's at the very end of his career. WAY better options

When has this team ever shown they will make these tough decisions? It's not tough from the ability standpoint, but tough from the image. They want him to ride into the sunset here, but it is clear that is not best for the team.

 

[ACC1224]

When has this team ever shown they will make these tough decisions? It's not tough from the ability standpoint, but tough from the image. They want him to ride into the sunset here, but it is clear that is not best for the team.

They’ve walked away from many players. Who was the last Captain to retire a Leaf?

 

[Hellcat]

They’ve walked away from many players. Who was the last Captain to retire a Leaf?

Armstrong but he was not the Capt when he retired, Capt in 67 but retired in 71?

 

[Mess]

Taraves @ $11 mil is likely the WORST overpaid contract in the NHL at his current production level >>> Patrick Marleau was in the last year of his $5.6 mil deal.

Tavares is likely to come in at 60-65 points if lucky this year . IMO

 

[myleafs]

The falloff this season is even more drastic than last. Will be interesting to see how they navigate this.

Obviously, they will re-sign 16 and 91 to bloated contracts....its a no brainer

 

[Gallagbi]

Taraves @ $11 mil is likely the WORST overpaid contract in the NHL at his current production level >>> Patrick Marleau was in the last year of his $5.6 mil deal.

Tavares is likely to come in at 60-65 points if lucky this year . IMO

Marleau was a 20 pt foward making 6.25m in the final year of his deal

 

[horner]

Marleau was a 20 pt foward making 6.25m in the final year of his deal

Another bad contract from the beginning

 

[Nineteen67]

Taraves @ $11 mil is likely the WORST overpaid contract in the NHL at his current production level >>> Patrick Marleau was in the last year of his $5.6 mil deal.

Tavares is likely to come in at 60-65 points if lucky this year . IMO

65 points is huge win.

 

[horner]

Until we get rid of JT we won't do anything in the playoffs as I though from the beginning of his contract.
We needed a top dman then and we still do .

It's amazing to me that we don't have a dman with a slap shot that can actually get his shot through.

The we need a 2nd line center

 

[kevsh]

Tavares can still win faceoffs & he can still shoot the puck, and right now he's got 6 pts in 8 games so he's not nearly the disaster that some big ticket UFAs have been.

And to be fair, every team knows going in that those long-term UFA deals are very likely to age poorly. The hope is that they'll pay off in the first few years and that will justify the overpayment at the end.

Unfortunately, the Leafs didn't win anything in those early years when Tavares was a 40 goal/PPG (or so) player, so here we are.

 

[Stephen]

His decline the past few seasons has been astonishing

He basically went from his early 30s to his late 30s in the span of one summer

Considering the team's massive failures with him as captain, I would not want him back, even at league minimum

Unfortunately, JT will be extended if Shanahan is still here and the contract will be gross

He's been in noticeable decline since 2020 when there were times he looked worse and older than Jason Spezza at the basics like puck transportation in a straight line. This year he's just fossilizing before our eyes. To the extent that he's already been discounted as an impact player on the team we really can't have him back under any circumstances and any price tag next year.

 

[notbias]

Taraves @ $11 mil is likely the WORST overpaid contract in the NHL at his current production level >>> Patrick Marleau was in the last year of his $5.6 mil deal.

Tavares is likely to come in at 60-65 points if lucky this year . IMO

I don't think you watch the Leafs let alone other teams, so I don't think you should have an opinion on this.

 

[HockeyVirus]

They’ve walked away from many players. Who was the last Captain to retire a Leaf?

Under Shanahan?