How Much Better Than Nylander Is Marner?

[JT AM da real deal]

Ahhh...you call me a house leaguer yet you presume to label a top 4 (in a really deep draft) pick and a top 5 point leader in the nhl this year as a below average skater.
You don't realize how absurd you sound?
You characterize me as a house league player in a poorly constructed ad-hominim (you know squat about what I've done in hockey btw) while assuring that your hockey bonafides gives you more insight than virtually every hockey scout who covered him pre-draft or any person who has watched games for years? I'm in my fifties so I'm not going to list my experiences but I do know (because I played) that there were a lot of slow players in that time and if you were a decent player, you didn't need to be a great skater if you werent a p***y. If we ever played against each other, I was the 5'10 kid at 190 pounds (jacked compared to almost everyone on the ice) that knocked your filling out of your head when I hit you. I was 17 when I stopped because I blew an ACL...and it really wasn't an easy fix back then.
So yeah...I call bs on your poor stride story except if it were needed to get away from guys like me.

I think you went a little awol there man .. take er easy man .. i am 6ft5 and played at 215-225 .. pretty much beat up everyone in da O and most in I .. but back then hockey was a different game so guys like me who did not skate well could use our sticks to slow game down to our level ... no matter what you say does not change da fact that Mitch is one of weaker power skaters from 96/97 kids .. he is also one of best edge guys in same class too .. his stride length is da reason why he can't keep up to Stumpy, Barzal, McJesus, Hanifin, TK, Chabot, Matty, Whitey, Greener, Dermy, sh*t even Sprong .. dude there is a huge list of guys who fly past Mitch in a race and dude it is not even a close race they are complete blowouts

 

[Notsince67]

I think you went a little awol there man .. take er easy man .. i am 6ft5 and played at 215-225 .. pretty much beat up everyone in da O and most in I .. but back then hockey was a different game so guys like me who did not skate well could use our sticks to slow game down to our level ... no matter what you say does not change da fact that Mitch is one of weaker power skaters from 96/97 kids .. he is also one of best edge guys in same class too .. his stride length is da reason why he can't keep up to Stumpy, Barzal, McJesus, Hanifin, TK, Chabot, Matty, Whitey, Greener, Dermy, sh*t even Sprong .. dude there is a huge list of guys who fly past Mitch in a race and dude it is not even a close race they are complete blowouts

Let me get this straight. You were 6'5 at 17 at 215-225 in the 80's.
Sell it to someone else. The bullshit grows

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Let me get this straight. You were 6'5 at 17 at 215-225 in the 80's.
Sell it to someone else. The bullshit grows

Yep and I was not da biggest in O .. many guys same height/weight .. but I think i was toughest and strongest

 

[Notsince67]

Yep and I was not da biggest in O .. many guys same height/weight .. but I think i was toughest and strongest

Lol...keep doubling down. The current list of players entering this years draft doesnt have someone that big ...decades later.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Lol...keep doubling down. The current list of players entering this years draft doesnt have someone that big ...decades later.

Clearly you did not play as O and I and A had like 3-4 guys like me per team in 80s.. it was a big mans league .. today players have gotten much smaller faster and more fit .. back then no one made it at 5 ft 10 you were deemed way too short unless you were blazing fast and even then max 2 guys per team max

 

[ZEBROA]

When did this become the how much better is Notsince67 vs JT AM da real deal at hockey thread?

This playoff Nylander was better, if that continue next year. Something must be done. I belive Marner will be much better next playoff.

 

[Racer88]

When did this become the how much better is Notsince67 vs JT AM da real deal at hockey thread?

This playoff Nylander was better, if that continue next year. Something must be done. I belive Marner will be much better next playoff.

I like your optimism but we have seen no evidence that Marner will be any better IF the Leafs make the playoffs next season. He said in his season ending presser that he was not going to do anything different to prepare for next years playoffs. That says that he doesn’t think there was anything wrong with his effort this year. Comments like that are why he is getting so much dislike.

 

[Notsince67]

When did this become the how much better is Notsince67 vs JT AM da real deal at hockey thread?

This playoff Nylander was better, if that continue next year. Something must be done. I belive Marner will be much better next playoff.

I'm not pretending to be something I'm not. Buddy over there started with the ad hominem to advance a very stupid theory that Marner cant skate.
The very notion that he was 6'7 at 17 220 lbs plus and was only too slow (due to stride) to make the big leagues in the 80s is a joke. I played a bit of hockey and back then, I never saw a player like that that playing competitively.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Getting pretty thick in here

 

[Racer88]

Getting pretty thick in here

Yup…….it’s a depressing time to be a leaf fan.
I don’t see any way out of this mess and the longer Shanny,Dubas are running the show the worse it’s going to get.
It’s pretty frustrating

 

[Craig Button]

Lol.

We'll agree to disagree. If you can't even acknowledge that Marner's regression in the playoffs impacted Matthews' production, there's really no point trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.

How about the reverse?
Matthews regression impacted Marner’s production.

To fault Marner on Matthews production is dumb.
Matthews is the Rocket trophy winner. Matthews scoring only 1 goal in 7 games is not because Marner couldn’t find him on the ice. Matthews scoring only 1 goal in 7 games is not because Marner did not pass to him. However, Matthews not scoring goals impacted Marner’s production.

 

[ZEBROA]

I'm not pretending to be something I'm not. Buddy over there started with the ad hominem to advance a very stupid theory that Marner cant skate.
The very notion that he was 6'7 at 17 220 lbs plus and was only too slow (due to stride) to make the big leagues in the 80s is a joke. I played a bit of hockey and back then, I never saw a player like that that playing competitively.

He should be able to skate. Better then most in the 80s.

 

[ZEBROA]

How about the reverse?
Matthews regression impacted Marner’s production.

To fault Marner on Matthews production is dumb.
Matthews is the Rocket trophy winner. Matthews scoring only 1 goal in 7 games is not because Marner couldn’t find him on the ice. Matthews scoring only 1 goal in 7 games is not because Marner did not pass to him. However, Matthews not scoring goals impacted Marner’s production.

And the reason for that is its easy do defend against one sniper. They are both responsable.

 

[cannucky]

tot

Let me get this straight. You were 6'5 at 17 at 215-225 in the 80's.
Sell it to someone else. The bullshit grows

He's totally believable I grew up in the 70's and played with several guys who were that size at 14 in the old MTHL , they were of course what is referred to now as "Juice Heads" but in those days they got stuff from their family doctor and got insanely big , it was legal then . I can tell you in grade 5 when kids are 10-11 there were 4 kids that were normal size little pukes like the rest of us who in grade 6 a year later were 5'10"-6'2" 175-210lbs cut with pimples that hadn't even started puberty yet , figure that out and try playing lacrosse and hockey against guys like that when your 5'eff all and 80 lbs with your boots full of sand in the rain .

 

[Notsince67]

tot

He's totally believable I grew up in the 70's and played with several guys who were that size at 14 in the old MTHL , they were of course what is referred to now as "Juice Heads" but in those days they got stuff from their family doctor and got insanely big , it was legal then . I can tell you in grade 5 when kids are 10-11 there were 4 kids that were normal size little pukes like the rest of us who in grade 6 a year later were 5'10"-6'2" 175-210lbs cut with pimples that hadn't even started puberty yet , figure that out and try playing lacrosse and hockey against guys like that when your 5'eff all and 80 lbs with your boots full of sand in the rain .

6'5" over 220-230 is another story at 17 playing competive hockey. Highly improbable that the heart and lung development would have kept up with that kind of growth to be able to suitable oxygenate the volume of blood needed to play competitive hockey. I have a tall son (6'4) around that age (today they grow fast) and has nowhere near that mass and he was challenged early on because of just that. He was always a big kid but the caloric intake to mass up that way while growing is staggering.
Most certainly I would have noticed a player back then at that size.

 

[cannucky]

hey at 14 I was 6'1" 103 lbs at my grade 10 weigh in but these guy got huge by modern chemistry and everything grew including their organs , the 4 guys I speak of only gained another inch or so in high school but they all continued to fill out , unfortunately for them hockey iq requires actual iq and they were all dumber than a box of hammers so by the time 2 of them had won a national high school championship they were already starting to be passed over by naturally big kids who had the skills and smarts to keep progressing . I don't know where you played but in the mid to late 70's there were kids like this in high school hockey , lacrosse and football all across Toronto .

 

[Aashir]

What has this thread even become

 

[keonsbitterness]

What has this thread even become

Muscle & Fitness magazine.

 

[Trapper]

Muscle & Fitness magazine.

Here I am in grade 3

 

[Notsince67]

hey at 14 I was 6'1" 103 lbs at my grade 10 weigh in but these guy got huge by modern chemistry and everything grew including their organs , the 4 guys I speak of only gained another inch or so in high school but they all continued to fill out , unfortunately for them hockey iq requires actual iq and they were all dumber than a box of hammers so by the time 2 of them had won a national high school championship they were already starting to be passed over by naturally big kids who had the skills and smarts to keep progressing . I don't know where you played but in the mid to late 70's there were kids like this in high school hockey , lacrosse and football all across Toronto .

I also played football for North York. I saw big players. I stand by that a 6'5 220-230 player in hockey would have been a unicorn in hockey at 17 years old in the 80s

 

[centipede2233]

Yup…….it’s a depressing time to be a leaf fan.
I don’t see any way out of this mess and the longer Shanny,Dubas are running the show the worse it’s going to get.
It’s pretty frustrating

And just think, they get paid millions of dollars to really screw up!

 

[saltming]

Here I am in grade 3
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You're wilt chamberlain?

 

[mydnyte]

Let me get this straight. You were 6'5 at 17 at 215-225 in the 80's.
Sell it to someone else. The bullshit grows

No idea why you would think that...
I had a friend about that size in the 80's and he played 10+ years in the NHL.
He couldnt skate well at all, but, he was one tough and strong SOB, and in the late 80's and through the 90's clutch and grab ruled, and skill was just smothered.

 

[mydnyte]

6'5" over 220-230 is another story at 17 playing competive hockey. Highly improbable that the heart and lung development would have kept up with that kind of growth to be able to suitable oxygenate the volume of blood needed to play competitive hockey. I have a tall son (6'4) around that age (today they grow fast) and has nowhere near that mass and he was challenged early on because of just that. He was always a big kid but the caloric intake to mass up that way while growing is staggering.
Most certainly I would have noticed a player back then at that size.

back then, it was a different lifestyle... I was 6' 215 before i hit HS, and i never touched any drug in my life, and i wasnt the biggest in my little group of friends by a long shot, i was 'average'

an 'average' skater in the NHL today, would have been above average back then.
sucky skates, heavy, blocky equipment, no real or dedicated training etc.

for example, we had a friend who worked at a rink, so we'd always get free ice, and i had a friend 6'4" but a lean 210ish who would play 2+ hours without coming off the ice, except to light another smoke ...he'd play defense with a smoke in his mouth the entire night, nobody would do that now.
the bowl of pasta 'carb up' wasnt make believe, it was the standard, as was taking decongestants before a game. and then afterwards, they'd go out get drunk and eat pizza or Chinese food. nobody did nutrition, we just played.

 

[socko]

Here I am in grade 3
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If you're Wilt at grade 3, that explains how you got to that 20,000 number.