Salary Cap: How much AAV are you willing to give Tyson Barrie on a 7-8 year extension?

[Leafsrock95]

Let him walk.

We gotta re sign Reilly ina few years. Dermott, Sandin and Lily will all need new contracts within 3 years. We don’t need Barries contract interfering with our future.

 

[Dough72]

Yeah, I'm sure McAvoy's teamates were really pissed at him for "freeing up his forwards and making their life easier"

nobody said that. Nobody on planet earth would say that.

How can you in a single post say it's totally fine for a D like McAvoy to do this but if the D is on the Leafs it will become a problem ?

nobody said that either. I said if Barrie does it "too often".

 

[18leafsfan18]

nobody said that. Nobody on planet earth would say that.
nobody said that either. I said if Barrie does it "too often".

You said McAvoy did it frequently, but you think Barrie will do it more often ?

You only quoted part of the post, and excluded the part where another poster said Barrie did it 1-2 times a period (In the games they watched from playoffs last year). That is far from "Frequently".

Then you say it will get on his teammates nerves.

Only in Leaf Land do fans think the same situation in Toronto will cause a rift in the room where everywhere else in the league it doesn't.

 

[ULF_55]

Right now there are about 29 RHD 30 or younger who are slated to be UFA next year.

Many will likely re-up with their existing teams, but many may want to see what happens with the cap next year.

Thinking overall team, I'd have to go with letting him walk and seeing who wants to join the Leafs out of the entire pool of UFA defenders.

Only so much cap space, and Rielly's going to hit a home run in a couple seasons likely in the Doughty area.

There is no guarantee the cap is going grow to cover the increases.

 

[Mess]

Right now there are about 29 RHD 30 or younger who are slated to be UFA next year.

Many will likely re-up with their existing teams, but many may want to see what happens with the cap next year.

Thinking overall team, I'd have to go with letting him walk and seeing who wants to join the Leafs out of the entire pool of UFA defenders.

Only so much cap space, and Rielly's going to hit a home run in a couple seasons likely in the Doughty area.

There is no guarantee the cap is going grow to cover the increases.

Leafs are more likely to focus on Muzzin and hope to get him resigned than Barrie.

Leafs invested a 1st round pick and 2 X formerly 2nd round drafted prospects (Grundstrom & Durzi) to acquire Muzzin which would be a big cost if he were a 1 year rental player. So with the higher acquisition cost the more likely of the players to be retained over Barrie.

With Rielly coming due in a few years, it would be hard to see locking up Barrie for the $8-$9 mil knowing Morgan will exceed that on his next deal, you would have to be prepared to reserve that space for him on his next big deal.

So I agree I think the Leafs are likely to walk away from Barrie, retained Muzzin, save cap space for future and promote Kids in training now, and take their chances on the UFA market adding some depth next summer.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Leafs are more likely to focus on Muzzin and hope to get him resigned than Barrie.

Leafs invested a 1st round pick and 2 X formerly 2nd round drafted prospects (Grundstrom & Durzi) to acquire Muzzin which would be a big cost if he were a 1 year rental player. So with the higher acquisition cost the more likely of the players to be retained over Barrie.

With Rielly coming due in a few years, it would be hard to see locking up Barrie for the $8-$9 mil knowing Morgan will exceed that on his next deal, you would have to be prepared to reserve that space for him on his next big deal.

So I agree I think the Leafs are likely to walk away from Barrie, retained Muzzin, save cap space for future and promote Kids in training now, and take their chances on the UFA market adding some depth next summer.

Agreed.

If Barrie is even asking for a 7 or 8 year deal, it's a hard pass. I doubt teams even give him more than 5 or 6 years on the open market. I would personally cap it at 4 x 7.5 - 8 mill, which should give the Leafs enough time to watch a few Marlies develop into at least bottom 4 RD. Given there is a good chance Barrie passes on that, I would say it's more likely the Leafs do go after Muzzin instead, especially since there is a better chance he could take a discount to stay.

Muzzin would not be able to get more than 3 or 4 years from us for sure. We can't have him on the books when Matthews is up, and it's looking like we are going to have to re-sign Andersen, Dermott and Rielly at least while he is still on the books regardless. The other issue is expansion, which likely means we cannot give him a NMC because I would think they'd rather expose him than expose Rielly, Dermott and the other top 4 defenseman they likely acquire (unless it's Liljegren or Sandin since they are exempt). However, if we were to give him a full NTC over a 3 year deal with heavy bonuses at a 6-6.5 mill AAV, the Leafs can probably make everything work without too many casualties (the worst ones would likely be Kapanen and Mikheyev just so we can afford to add another top 4 RD to replace Ceci/Barrie and to give guys like Bracco a job in the NHL).

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Pietro has to want to come here and the blues have to not want him. And pietro probably costs Tavares money + inflation.

None of that matters. He married a St Loius girl and he is stuck there. I think someone told me he has a few kids now too. He ain't going anywhere.

 

[ACC1224]

None of that matters. He married a St Loius girl and he is stuck there. I think someone told me he has a few kids now too. He ain't going anywhere.

It will matter greatly if the Blues decide they don't want to meet his ask.
I don't expect that to happen but it's certainly possible.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It will matter greatly if the Blues decide they don't want to meet his ask.
I don't expect that to happen but it's certainly possible.

Very rare to see a team lose its best player/captain and one of top defense in league. When push comes to shove I'm sure his wifey will have a ton of influence here. You can almost buy the town with cheap costs of real estate in St Loius. He probably has one of those 3 story southern mansions there.

 

[Menzinger]

One of the Leafs biggest needs of thebosst decade has. Even the ability to move the puck from.the back end of the right side.

Why are folks lamenting for a Polak 2.0? We've tried those experiments before....

 

[Leafsdude7]

Barrie maxes at 8. Muzzin maxes on 6. Give Marner 10M for the next few seasons and the cap hits should work out, assuming Ceci is a one-year stop-gap and there's no surprisingly low increases over the next 4-5 years like we had this year.

Those two with Rielly and a matured Sandin and Liljegren would make our blueline look amazing compared to the last few years (and likely even this year).

 

[Joey Hoser]

None of that matters. He married a St Loius girl and he is stuck there. I think someone told me he has a few kids now too. He ain't going anywhere.

So? Marleau upped and moved his family after two decades just for 2/3 of a year's salary.

The idea that any player who gets married never wants to move, is a new one.

I imagine he stays, because that's just usually what players do, but he wouldn't be the first married NHL player to willingly move teams if he did.

 

[Trapper]

The players that give you the best opportunity to have playoff success and win a Cup should have priority.
Not the best regular season smile.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Extend him cheaper or trade him at the deadline
Problem solved

 

[Suntouchable13]

Extend him cheaper or trade him at the deadline
Problem solved

Nah, not going to trade him. Leafs are trying to go for it. Leafs are in their win now window. JT has 6 more seasons, Matthwes only 5, Rielly is up in a couple of years, Freddy. They are going for it.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

So? Marleau upped and moved his family after two decades just for 2/3 of a year's salary.

The idea that any player who gets married never wants to move, is a new one.

I imagine he stays, because that's just usually what players do, but he wouldn't be the first married NHL player to willingly move teams if he did.

Yes if you pay 19M over 3 years when rest of league was at 12M over 2 years then for 7M extra you can get it done with an old timer whose kids are old enough to do things on their own.
Try dealing with 3 babies and diapers and a wifey who gets help from her mom daily. But if $$$ was right like a huge overpay (with Leafs at CAP I can't see it) then he could rent a condo downtown and fly back here and there to see them. Again chances very very low to non-existent. At least that was my experience with 4 kids in 4 years.

 

[MyBudJT]

Hey @4uston Matthews , you still think I'm crazy? Apparently 31 other people so far agree with me .

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Hey @4uston Matthews , you still think I'm crazy? Apparently 31 other people so far agree with me .

A lot more agree with me

 

[MyBudJT]

A lot more agree with me

But nobody was giving you shit for your opinion...!

 

[FMichael]

Don't you remember people saying similar things about Gardiner?

On a 7-8 year deal, a 28 (nearly 29) year old Barrie's cap hit goes down, not up.

On a 4-5 year deal, you could argue for 8-8.5 mil... but on a 7-8 year deal, the number is be closer to 6.5-7.

I was loling that you wouldn't accomodate my opinion. You created one lower option, which is still too high.

I'd agree - however there's always 1, or 2 GMs out there looking to add (or keep) that top pairing point producing Dman to their roster...Look what Sharks GM Wilson gave Karlsson (and in a few seasons it'll look pretty bad if Karlsson continues to have his nagging injuries).

Mike Johnson on NHL Network more, or less said Barrie is gone after this season...Leafs won't have the cap space after Barrie has a great season with them.

 

[Sypher04]

I'd agree - however there's always 1, or 2 GMs out there looking to add (or keep) that top pairing point producing Dman to their roster...Look what Sharks GM Wilson gave Karlsson (and in a few seasons it'll look pretty bad if Karlsson continues to have his nagging injuries).

Mike Johnson on NHL Network more, or less said Barrie is gone after this season...Leafs won't have the cap space after Barrie has a great season with them.

Luckily Mike Johnson has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not saying we will sign Barrie, but acting like anything is already a foregone conclusion is asinine.
We have a lot we can offer Barrie from a hockey standpoint that not all that many teams that'll show up with money for him could offer.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

But nobody was giving you **** for your opinion...!

I didn't really give you shit for your opinion, just hard disagreed lol. I still realized I was being a little ridiculous and put in the option though

(ps. he's not signing for 8 x 6.5-7)

 

[FMichael]

Luckily Mike Johnson has no idea what he's talking about. I'm not saying we will sign Barrie, but acting like anything is already a foregone conclusion is asinine.
We have a lot we can offer Barrie from a hockey standpoint that not all that many teams that'll show up with money for him could offer.

Regardless of what you think about 'Johnny' - he offers an outsiders perspective, and in this case the chances are he's right about Barrie.

 

[Duffman955]

Watch when leafs fans actually see Barrie play, they gonna run him out of town faster than Gardiner.

If you thought Gardiner was bad in his own zone...

 

[Sypher04]

Regardless of what you think about 'Johnny' - he offers an outsiders perspective, and in this case the chances are he's right about Barrie.

He's not the only person to think Barrie could be gone next year. It's a possibility. He's the first I've heard all but guaranteeing it though, which is imo over the top.