How long before Shero feels the pressure? Fire Shero?

[Devils731]

penguins fan coming in peace...

This was Shero's undoing in pittsburgh. Blysma was clearly an idiot that needed to be fired and Shero just wouldn't do it. Just saying he's gone down with his coach before. Is history repeating itself?

Hopefully it repeats with a strong and long run for the Devils once the team moves on. Fingers crossed that Shero is as good at acquiring talent as I think and as poor at handling coaching as I think.

 

[NJDevils7]

Stop with this overrated talk.

If you expected that we would be Stanley Cup contenders...then yea you were over rating us. Nobody was saying that.

We were projected to be around 90-95 points, fighting for a final playoff spot. That's what most fans thought, what most professional analysts projected us to be, along with odds makers from various bookies.

We are currently 3rd worst in the league. And 23 games through the season - we have a worse record than we did last year at this time. We've actually gotten worse!

Shero did his best to improve the talent level of the did this season. I do not understand how he is OK with these results. It is completely unacceptable.

 

[devilsblood]

Overrate the Vets? Okay.

But some are including our young players in that "overrate" umbrella which is asinine.

We do overrate the young guys. In that we expect an 18 year old Hughes to be a major difference maker. He's clearly incredibly skilled, but he's also more kid then man, and he needs to get acclimated.

Bratt and Nico too, we all hoped/figured these guys were ready for a breakout year, well, thus far, not yet.

Then you look at Gusev who again we thought might be a major difference maker but instead has shown that he needs time to adjust to the NHL game.

Hall we thought was going to be MVP Hall, and not coming off knee surgery Hall.

And we thought Subban was going to be Norris trophy Subban and not a slowed down version which makes his risk taking pay off at a much lower rate.

There are more too, Boqvist for instance. Ty Smith. From my own perspective Miles Wood(though most here under rated him thought that is a different debate).

So yeah, we as a fan base definitely overrated the talent on this team, or at least the positive impact that talent would have.

 

[devilsblood]

Stop with this overrated talk.

If you expected that we would be Stanley Cup contenders...then yea you were over rating us. Nobody was saying that.

We were projected to be around 90-95 points, fighting for a final playoff spot. That's what most fans thought, what most professional analysts projected us to be, along with odds makers from various bookies.

We are currently 3rd worst in the league. And 23 games through the season - we have a worse record than we did last year at this time. We've actually gotten worse!

Shero did his best to improve the talent level of the did this season. I do not understand how he is OK with these results. It is completely unacceptable.

If we are playing no where near expectations, then how were we not over rated?

 

[Azathoth]

Stop with this overrated talk.

If you expected that we would be Stanley Cup contenders...then yea you were over rating us. Nobody was saying that.

We were projected to be around 90-95 points, fighting for a final playoff spot. That's what most fans thought, what most professional analysts projected us to be, along with odds makers from various bookies.

We are currently 3rd worst in the league. And 23 games through the season - we have a worse record than we did last year at this time. We've actually gotten worse!

Shero did his best to improve the talent level of the did this season. I do not understand how he is OK with these results. It is completely unacceptable.

Exactly. This team should have been comfortably competing for a 7-8 seed this year. No one was predicting them to contend for the cup, but also no one was predicting them to be competing for Lafreniere either. This team was and still is under performing and that should land mostly on the shoulders of the coaching staff (especially now that they have exiled Schneider).

 

[tr83]

I was trying to be patient, but here I am.

Ray, you pushed in your chips this year to start to make this team competitive and the team is worse with better talent. We're near the bottom of the league in both offensive AND defensive categories. I don't care what advanced statistics say, the major statistics like GF, GA, and wins is abysmal.

If you stay up to watch the games, you would notice that the team is a mess on the ice. Nobody can complete passes, nobody is in the right position any of the zones, and the team is gassed in the third period.

I don't want to hear trust the process. This is year five with you and Hynes. We're still waiting on the supposed talent you drafted to mature. We got Bratt, Zacha, and MBW and that's about it. If they can't crack the lineup, then you've both failed.

Fire Hynes. Who cares who the interim is. Bring in a fresh voice. Worry about finding a new coach in the offseason.

Oh, and Binghamton is still a mess. Raw talent plays in a losing environment at all pro levels.

 

[glenwo2]

We do overrate the young guys. In that we expect an 18 year old Hughes to be a major difference maker. He's clearly incredibly skilled, but he's also more kid then man, and he needs to get acclimated.

Bratt and Nico too, we all hoped/figured these guys were ready for a breakout year, well, thus far, not yet.


So yeah, we as a fan base definitely overrated the talent on this team, or at least the positive impact that talent would have.

Hoping and assuming the time-frame of when Young players "breakout" or not isn't considered "overrating" them, though.

Some players take longer to have their "breakout" moment than others anyway.

You're sitting there throwing the word "overrated" around like a damn insult which, I must say, is very annoying, db.

So using your derogatory-laden usage of the word, the Vets are the ones who are the Overrated ones here.

Besides, the young players still have time to DEVELOP(remember that word?) into the type of players we hope for.

We just need a new Head Coach to put them in better positions to flourish 'cause I think we've reached the limit of what this bonehead we have right now can do.

 

[captainscott]

We do overrate the young guys. In that we expect an 18 year old Hughes to be a major difference maker. He's clearly incredibly skilled, but he's also more kid then man, and he needs to get acclimated.

Bratt and Nico too, we all hoped/figured these guys were ready for a breakout year, well, thus far, not yet.

Then you look at Gusev who again we thought might be a major difference maker but instead has shown that he needs time to adjust to the NHL game.

Hall we thought was going to be MVP Hall, and not coming off knee surgery Hall.

And we thought Subban was going to be Norris trophy Subban and not a slowed down version which makes his risk taking pay off at a much lower rate.

There are more too, Boqvist for instance. Ty Smith. From my own perspective Miles Wood(though most here under rated him thought that is a different debate).

So yeah, we as a fan base definitely overrated the talent on this team, or at least the positive impact that talent would have.

ok then shero is no good.. .. or is the coaches system stifling them? ... its probably a combination of both.. where we expected too much from certain guys and B the coaching has been bad and the goaltending too.

 

[captainscott]

I was trying to be patient, but here I am.

Ray, you pushed in your chips this year to start to make this team competitive and the team is worse with better talent. We're near the bottom of the league in both offensive AND defensive categories. I don't care what advanced statistics say, the major statistics like GF, GA, and wins is abysmal.

If you stay up to watch the games, you would notice that the team is a mess on the ice. Nobody can complete passes, nobody is in the right position any of the zones, and the team is gassed in the third period.

I don't want to hear trust the process. This is year five with you and Hynes. We're still waiting on the supposed talent you drafted to mature. We got Bratt, Zacha, and MBW and that's about it. If they can't crack the lineup, then you've both failed.

Fire Hynes. Who cares who the interim is. Bring in a fresh voice. Worry about finding a new coach in the offseason.

Oh, and Binghamton is still a mess. Raw talent plays in a losing environment at all pro levels.

haa was going to say the whole system is a mess. Hall or Hynes needs to go now.. probably both.. we need to reset here.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I was trying to be patient, but here I am.

Ray, you pushed in your chips this year to start to make this team competitive and the team is worse with better talent. We're near the bottom of the league in both offensive AND defensive categories. I don't care what advanced statistics say, the major statistics like GF, GA, and wins is abysmal.

If you stay up to watch the games, you would notice that the team is a mess on the ice. Nobody can complete passes, nobody is in the right position any of the zones, and the team is gassed in the third period.

I don't want to hear trust the process. This is year five with you and Hynes. We're still waiting on the supposed talent you drafted to mature. We got Bratt, Zacha, and MBW and that's about it. If they can't crack the lineup, then you've both failed.

Fire Hynes. Who cares who the interim is. Bring in a fresh voice. Worry about finding a new coach in the offseason.

Oh, and Binghamton is still a mess. Raw talent plays in a losing environment at all pro levels.

Sadly, the key to getting anywhere in this organization is to tell Ray Shero what a genius he is and how great a job he's always doing.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I find it shocking that 5 years into what was supposedly a total rebuild, there’s still not a clear cut #1 stud defenseman to be seen in the organization. But hey, we got a bunch of marginally skilled small forwards, so there’s that!

can you please list your "clear cut #1 stud defenseman" that there are in the league?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Yea, he overpaid the **** out of him if he doesn't take a big leap forward soon.

Team has a lot of risk with that contract considering term. Homers on here act like Nico is a lock to become a play driving, 60pt, 2 way C. Those same folks also want Hall gone. Maybe said individuals should look at Nico's production per/60 with Hall vs without. Hint: It's 3rd line C caliber.

Now before someone naturally freaks out reading this or misinterprets my post, I still like that contract. It made sense. But much like mainboard fans criticizing it, the majority of you were wrong for jumping up and down as if it was a steal.

At this time, it was a FAIR contract for both parties.

you do know that Nico has 10 points in his last 13 games

right?

If you are basing ANYTHING on what the HF main board has to say, you should....probably re-evaluate your opinions.

 

[MartyOwns]

can you please list your "clear cut #1 stud defenseman" that there are in the league?

i’ll start. 1) lyle odelein

 

[glenwo2]

@Setec Astronomy :

John Hynes is still the coach today, because Ray is tanking another season. That is the only reason that makes sense, other than perhaps Ray sniffing industrial grade glue on an hourly basis and thinking all those losses are actually wins. That wouldn't surprise me.

Does Ray really want Lafreniere that badly?

If he had hired an actual Head Coach who knew what the hell he was doing, things wouldn't be the way they are right now.

 

[Emperoreddy]

No player is breaking out in the low event system we play.

 

[HischierSeDgewOrk]

i’ll start. 1) lyle odelein

Ken Klee...can I get a Kleeeeefence!!!???!!!

 

[Edmonton East]

you do know that Nico has 10 points in his last 13 games

right?

If you are basing ANYTHING on what the HF main board has to say, you should....probably re-evaluate your opinions.

I based nothing in my post off of the mainboard's opinion. Rather, I said both the mainboard and this board portrayed Nico's contract incorrectly.

It was fair value. Was bolding it in the original post not enough? Nico pt production comment made no sense either because 1) I've always been a Nico advocate and 2) I pointed out his production without Hall is bad (the same guy you all have wanted to ship out since game 3).

I have no clue what you were responding to in my post. If you are gonna post just for the sake of posting, don't quote someone when ya do it.

 

[HischierSeDgewOrk]

Ken Klee...can I get a Kleeeeefence!!!???!!!

Nothing beats Odeleins pass back to Marty. He patented that pass back to the goalie.

 

[devilsblood]

Hoping and assuming the time-frame of when Young players "breakout" or not isn't considered "overrating" them, though.

Some players take longer to have their "breakout" moment than others anyway.

You're sitting there throwing the word "overrated" around like a damn insult which, I must say, is very annoying, db.

So using your derogatory-laden usage of the word, the Vets are the ones who are the Overrated ones here.

Besides, the young players still have time to DEVELOP(remember that word?) into the type of players we hope for.

We just need a new Head Coach to put them in better positions to flourish 'cause I think we've reached the limit of what this bonehead we have right now can do.

I'm saying overrated in regards to the level of impact we expected from them this year.

 

[devilsblood]

ok then shero is no good.. .. or is the coaches system stifling them? ... its probably a combination of both.. where we expected too much from certain guys and B the coaching has been bad and the goaltending too.

Well if we as fans expect too much from the young players, that's on us. Shero can't make these guys mature quicker.

And I think similar can be said for Gusev and Subban. I can't hate on the Subban trade, he hasn't been nearly as good as I hoped, but he's still an upgrade that we got for very little going the other way. Gusev is pretty much the same, though with him I think it's more about adjusting to the league, and I think he has gotten better and will continue to do so.

Now could he have targeted a different type of d-man other then Subban? I dunno, maybe. Should he have had the insurance policy at goalie from the start of the year? I think so. Is he hanging on too long to the coach? It's getting near impossible to argue otherwise.

So Shero certainly hasn't been perfect.

 

[glenwo2]

I'm saying overrated in regards to the level of impact we expected from them this year.

Then I will repost what Eddy just said :

No player is breaking out in the low event system we play.

Though I would ask "What system?"

 

[Devils731]

Though I would ask "What system?"

There is 100% a system since we can diagram what we expect players to do in any given situation...it’s just not a good system.

The Devils are also so poor at enforcing their system on the game that people think this high offense/event system is actually set up to be low event.

 

[MadDevil]

Nothing beats Odeleins pass back to Marty. He patented that pass back to the goalie.

If this team tried that it would end up in the back of our net.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

@Setec Astronomy :



Does Ray really want Lafreniere that badly?

If he had hired an actual Head Coach who knew what the hell he was doing, things wouldn't be the way they are right now.

Maybe he's changing his plans and looking for a Hall replacement in the draft

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I based nothing in my post off of the mainboard's opinion. Rather, I said both the mainboard and this board portrayed Nico's contract incorrectly.

It was fair value. Was bolding it in the original post not enough? Nico pt production comment made no sense either because 1) I've always been a Nico advocate and 2) I pointed out his production without Hall is bad (the same guy you all have wanted to ship out since game 3).

I have no clue what you were responding to in my post. If you are gonna post just for the sake of posting, don't quote someone when ya do it.

his production last year without Hall was totally fine. What are you talking about?