How is this remotely possible?

[authentic]

What was wrong?


Whatever helps you cope with it, go with that.

We have video evidence of the "high sticks", surely you're aware of this

 

[Drytoast]

Both high sticks were bad. They got a phantom 5 on 3 on two high sticks that shouldn't have been called and that led to the tying goal in game 6 when they were 10 minutes away from elimination.

A reoccurring theme if you rewatch the series is that anytime Tampa needed some help or a power play or two they f****** got it

 

[ACC1224]

We have video evidence of the "high sticks", surely you're aware of this

I said the first one was a bad call. Kerfoot put himself in a bad spot and his stick got up.

Problem was Kerfoot being dumb, not the refs there.

 

[Drytoast]

I said the first one was a bad call. Kerfoot put himself in a bad spot and his stick got up.

Problem was Kerfoot being dumb, not the refs there.

And yet the outcome led to the tying goal didn't it?

Game 6 Tampa Bay was on the verge of elimination and was having a hard time getting any offense going and magically is gifted a two-man advantage and ties the game what a f****** miracle!

 

[andora]

I said the first one was a bad call. Kerfoot put himself in a bad spot and his stick got up.

Problem was Kerfoot being dumb, not the refs there.

Yeah i dont know why this cant be accepted

Kerfoot stayed in too long in the first place with his stick up..

 

[ACC1224]

And yet the outcome led to the tying goal didn't it?

Game 6 Tampa Bay was on the verge of elimination and was having a hard time getting any offense going and magically is gifted a two-man advantage and ties the game what a f****** miracle!

Yes as I said Kerfoot made a really dumb play there.

 

[andora]

And yet the outcome led to the tying goal didn't it?

Game 6 Tampa Bay was on the verge of elimination and was having a hard time getting any offense going and magically is gifted a two-man advantage and ties the game what a f****** miracle!

And the rest of that game and game 7 noone stood up

Plenty of time left to win it

 

[Burnie97]

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I'm not one into conspiracy theories but really? With our forwards who are skilled and fast and this is the result? Bottom 3rd in penalties drawn...dead last for one year during one of the most skilled era's of this team's history.

This stinks to high heaven.

Laughable. What a joke.

Refs don’t want to call penalties for Toronto because they don’t want to seem biased. Also a good chance a not insignificant number of refs dislike the Leafs franchise. Some people will say that the Leafs don’t take a lot of penalties so they don’t draw a lot of penalties but that’s garbage. The Leafs have ranked in or near the top half of the league for penalties taken in half the seasons Matthews has been here.

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If the amount of powerplays and penalties were evenly called, those ranks the last two seasons especially should be a lot closer than they are.

Good post. Numbers aren't lying there.

Looking at the stats, it would appear that Tampa Bay and Florida are the darlings of the NHL. Great. Another f***ing series decided by the bias refereeing.

What happens when a team that averages league bottom in powerplay opportunities faces off against one that consistently is near the top in power play opportunities. And watching their BLATANT infractions not being called last year in the playoffs, we are in for another treat of bias NHL refereeing.

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Ridiculous how it's so obvious but just keep doing it the same way. Reffing even in the 90s wasn't great but it's like it keeps getting worse every decade.

It's not that simple. There's no direct correlation between a players skill and the penalties taken against them.


From this article:

Maple Leafs: A Look Into Who Draws Penalties Embarrasses the NHL

Maple Leafs: A Look Into Who Draws Penalties Embarrasses the NHL. Four of the NHL's dirtiest players lead the league in penalties drawn.

editorinleaf.com

Refer to this list:

"A clue as to how the NHL calls penalties can be seen by looking at who has drawn the most penalties over the last three years. These numbers are for all-situations. It makes sense to see McDavid ranked 3rd, but look who else draws the most penalties:"

1. Brady Tkachuk,
2. Matt Tkachuk,
3. Connor McDavid
4. Brad Marchand,
5. Tom Wilson,
6. Brendan Lemieux,
7. Nazem Kadri.

Furthermore, the article goes on to say:

"That’s right, six of the NHL’s top seven players at drawing penalties over the last 3 seasons are the six dirtiest players in the league."

f***ing bullshit.

Look you'd love some of those guys on your team but that's ridiculous. If you don't think they call penalties a certain way then I don't know what to tell ya.


I've had enough people on here say there's no bias or stop whining about the refs.

Yup some games the Leafs are stupid and take stupid penalties... and they deserve it no doubt but if you think there is no bias its not me being silly.

 

[ToneDog]

And the rest of that game and game 7 noone stood up

Plenty of time left to win it

Holl with the pick gifted them a penalty and nullified the tying goal. Tampa gets another 2 gifts from the Gods.

 

[ACC1224]

Laughable. What a joke.

Good post. Numbers aren't lying there.

Ridiculous how it's so obvious but just keep doing it the same way. Reffing even in the 90s wasn't great but it's like it keeps getting worse every decade.

f***ing bullshit.

Look you'd love some of those guys on your team but that's ridiculous. If you don't think they call penalties a certain way then I don't know what to tell ya.


I've had enough people on here say there's no bias or stop whining about the refs.

Yup some games the Leafs are stupid and take stupid penalties... and they deserve it no doubt but if you think there is no bias its not me being silly.

Do you think they have any chance to win this year or will the refs once again take over?

 

[Drytoast]

And the rest of that game and game 7 noone stood up

Plenty of time left to win it

Game seven our JT goal got called back theirs didn't even though both were infractions. They won 2-1

I guess we are just to accept that we have to beat Tampa in spite of the officiating?

 

[Burnie97]

There are a few people here who don't watch other teams play. There is no "leafs bias" with the refs. Leafs just don't play a style that draws a lot of penalties. Pretty evident if you watch the rest of the league.

Also, I agree: this is just people trying to find an excuse if we bomb out of the playoffs again.

I watch other teams all the time and I still think the reffing is bullshit. This league is one of the worst for reffing. The NBA is a f***ing joke too.

This isn't an excuse for Leafs bombing out. Leafs seem to find their own way of shooting themselves in the foot regardless of reffing.

I think you can see enough facts from numerous past years that certain teams get a much better "opportunity " due to some pretty poor officiating.

I'm not saying it's just the Leafs but some teams sure seem to get the benefit of the doubt more often.

 

[ACC1224]

Well you were wrong about Toronto getting more power plays in Tampa so we can start with that and work our way out

You never replied and I’m curious, what was I wrong about?

 

[authentic]

A reoccurring theme if you rewatch the series is that anytime Tampa needed some help or a power play or two they f****** got it

Yep and it doesn't really stop there either. Their series winning goal in game 7 shouldn't have happened because Killorn pulled Kampf's stick out of his hand and sat on it just as Paul skated by before scoring, within a poke checks reach if he was able to skate 1 stride forward and poke check him, instead he was trying to grab his own stick back. Then we had a goal called back on a pick, sure you could argue it was a penalty but if that's the case then their winning goal should've been called back as well. And last but not least, when we were on the powerplay late in game 7 Nylander was actually tripped right infront of the ref but we didn't get what would've been a legit 5 on 3. You just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

 

[sxvnert]

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I'm not one into conspiracy theories but really? With our forwards who are skilled and fast and this is the result? Bottom 3rd in penalties drawn...dead last for one year during one of the most skilled era's of this team's history.

This stinks to high heaven.

Easy. When you're entire game plan is based on playing the perimeter its bound to happen.

 

[Drytoast]

Easy. When you're entire game plan is based on playing the perimeter its bound to happen.

It's amazing that most of our goals are down low...and somehow when we get chances down low to score the goals we typically score...we don't get penalties drawn.

Amazin!

 

[andora]

Game seven our JT goal got called back theirs didn't even though both were infractions. They won 2-1

I guess we are just to accept that we have to beat Tampa in spite of the officiating?

Offs.. he did that in the part of the ice that everyone was watching. Oh well.. it was a blatant call

Re watch the two paul goals and see what you see the leafs didnt get called on either.. look really hard

 

[ACC1224]

Offs.. he did that in the part of the ice that everyone was watching. Oh well.. it was a blatant call

Re watch the two paul goals and see what you see the leafs didnt get called on either.. look really hard

I find it amazing that people are still crying about this stuff a year later. It might be time to move on.

 

[Burnie97]

Do you think they have any chance to win this year or will the refs once again take over?

Of course they have a chance. All these years they have lost in the first round isn't due to just reffing. Most of it like I just mentioned in another post is they shoot themselves in a foot. They don't score a big goal or get the big save etc.

I'm never saying it's just because of the refs. I'm just saying the officiating in this league could be done much better. Being a ref isn't easy either. Especially at this level... but then hire the best because I don't think the NHL does anymore.

 

[ToneDog]

Of course they have a chance. All these years they have lost in the first round isn't due to just reffing. Most of it like I just mentioned in another post is they shoot themselves in a foot. They don't score a big goal or get the big save etc.

I'm never saying it's just because of the refs. I'm just saying the officiating in this league could be done much better. Being a ref isn't easy either. Especially at this level... but then hire the best because I don't think the NHL does anymore.

Who reffed game #7 here ??

 

[ACC1224]

Of course they have a chance. All these years they have lost in the first round isn't due to just reffing. Most of it like I just mentioned in another post is they shoot themselves in a foot. They don't score a big goal or get the big save etc.

I'm never saying it's just because of the refs. I'm just saying the officiating in this league could be done much better. Being a ref isn't easy either. Especially at this level... but then hire the best because I don't think the NHL does anymore.

All good. I grouped you in with the others which is my bad.

Not sure why they would bother watching

 

[Burnie97]

All good. I grouped you in with the others which is my bad.

Not sure why they would bother watching

All good. I bitch about reffing enough as is so I don't mind someone chirping me for it and being on here you open yourself up to it so fair game. If I'm wrong I have no problem saying... well f*** ... yeah that makes sense.

I don't know how to fix the reffing either but I'm hopeful that especially in the playoffs things are called correctly.

 

[ACC1224]

If only we all had the memory of a goldfish like yourself...

It definitely helps.
While on the subject of forgetting, have you forgotten to reply to my other posts? I’d love to know where I was wrong

 

[Drytoast]

Of course they have a chance. All these years they have lost in the first round isn't due to just reffing. Most of it like I just mentioned in another post is they shoot themselves in a foot. They don't score a big goal or get the big save etc.

I'm never saying it's just because of the refs. I'm just saying the officiating in this league could be done much better. Being a ref isn't easy either. Especially at this level... but then hire the best because I don't think the NHL does anymore.

They did get a big goal. But it was waved off because of an infraction. Nick Paul also scored a big goal which wasn't waved off because of a clear infraction.
I do agree. Losing to Montreal? Wasn't because of the refereeing. But then I didn't create this thread worried about playing Montreal with regards to officiating. We both know we are going to play Tampa again this year and I stand by my belief that the referees were the difference in what was an extremely close match between two talented teams.

The Leafs didn't "shoot themselves in the foot" They were shot in the foot. By the refs.

 

[Burnie97]

Who reffed game #7 here ??

Wes was one of them right lol