How exactly are we re-signing the kids?
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haohmaru
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McDonagh wasn't a NMC.
Ah, I see. Let's hope the cap goes up 3-4M instead of 1M. That would make things a whole lot easier.
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I think those initial numbers are light for K’Andre. I do think it’s a larger issue. I don’t believe all of them will be here after the deadline or after the draft.
Goodrow is the likely candidate Via trade but the clauses make it tough. He is tracable. Not sure why everyone is screaming buyout there. He has all the intangibles that a club wants. Yes, the hit is a little high but he’s a proven guy. GM’s will want him. The issue is will he waive?
Lindgren is also a possibility. Nobody wants to lose him but his contract is void of those clauses.
Personally, I think Kravtsov is the player dealt at the deadline. I domy want to see him gone But I think they are going to try to grab a rental or two. Maybe even get a pick back for a club that wants a player who is closer to full time contributions. maybe a cap strapped team that wants a guy in their middle six With offensive upside. Minnesota perhaps? Again im not an advocate for it but Drury does have a cap issue With players due raises that are having good seasons.
Goodrow is the likely candidate Via trade but the clauses make it tough. He is tracable. Not sure why everyone is screaming buyout there. He has all the intangibles that a club wants. Yes, the hit is a little high but he’s a proven guy. GM’s will want him. The issue is will he waive?
Lindgren is also a possibility. Nobody wants to lose him but his contract is void of those clauses.
Personally, I think Kravtsov is the player dealt at the deadline. I domy want to see him gone But I think they are going to try to grab a rental or two. Maybe even get a pick back for a club that wants a player who is closer to full time contributions. maybe a cap strapped team that wants a guy in their middle six With offensive upside. Minnesota perhaps? Again im not an advocate for it but Drury does have a cap issue With players due raises that are having good seasons.
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
The owners want a winner too. They don't want their teams at the cap and not able to sign, having to let important players go. They can be persuaded.
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I would trade Panarin if possible, he has declined 5on5 . He is a power play specialist who is playing out of position on the PP.
He is still a good player and has met expectations for his contract but his current and have to think further decline plus our cap situation make him the guy to move.
He is still a good player and has met expectations for his contract but his current and have to think further decline plus our cap situation make him the guy to move.
SA16
Sixstring
He has 27 5v5 points. Pavelski, Gaudreau, Fiala, Meier, Marner, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Bratt, Hischier, Kopitar, Hertlz, Hintz all have been 26 and 28. Scheifele, Forsberg, Guentzel, Barzal, Kyrou all have 25. Just because you're good on the PP doesn't make you a PP specialist. And he's not out of the position on the PP. The right side is his best spot. I'm also not sure why people are surprised and angry that he's not as good now as he was two years ago. That's how FA contracts work. You get older and you're not as good. Doesn't mean you're not still good.
The main difference this year anyway is that he has the second lowest on ice shooting percentage of his career almost 2.5-3 percentage points less than any other year. You can say that's because he's not as good anymore, and he turns the puck over a lot (which doesn't matter as there is, in fact, a very positive correlation between giveaways and scoring rates), if you want but you think he's so bad now that a .924 save percentage against is reasonable (i.e. Igor's career save percentage)?
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99% sure McD had a NTC that he agreed to waive
Edit - yup
Lightning cut salary, send McDonagh to Predators
Ryan McDonagh Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
McDonagh had a NTC that he waived. Not a NMC.
Basically the Lightning told McD that if he didn't accept a trade, Columbus would take him off waivers.
And yes, most of our guys have NMC for another year before they become NTC, but my point is that these things are made to be broken. Plenty of players waive their clauses for different reasons.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Yeah, I said he didn't have an NMC. He didn't. TB, if they were asshats, could've sent him to the AHL to, um, "motivate" him to waive or let him get claimed. The Rangers don't have that card to play.
You don't see it much on Stanley Cup contending teams, however, if the team has no leverage - which the Rangers don't.
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We have gotten players to waive before.
Some have formed an emotional attachment and don’t want to admit that certain guys will be gone.
The Rangers management is not gonna let themselves be held hostage by those clauses if they need that money, which they will sooner rather than later.
To pretend none of the high priced vets are ever getting moved is silly. Someone will be talked into it, just like happens round the league over and over again.
We aren't. They are all being traded for Kane.
egelband
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Yep. They’re going to figure it out. They always do. Probably bridge deals for most or all the RFAs. It’s not ideal but when it comes to money - at least - the Rangers are pretty shrewd. I also suspect there will be a cap bump of more like $3m or $4m. I just can’t believe wiser heads don’t prevail. Makes good sense for both sides.
This org should trade Trouba simply to stop everyone from worrying about his wife's career.
egelband
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If you say it out loud it kind of sounds like “later”. You know ‘Panarin, we’ll see you later’. ‘Trouba, we’ll see you later’.
Hmm. The premise checks out!!
egelband
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Probably right. I also expect a better second half from Laf. 2x$3m sounds about right to me. If they can’t afford that, maybe $2.5 for a one year band-aid.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
I'd like to see who has waived with a full NMC on a recently signed contract on a contending NYR team. Please provide the example(s) of who we have "gotten to waive before".
Stuff like this is convenient for fantasy cap world scenarios. In real life, on contending teams, players with full NMC's don't waive very often. It might be inconvenient for your plans but it's based in reality. Players request these for a reason and it's not so they can be uprooted after a couple of years to accommodate the club they just signed with.
leetch99
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So....if Panarin is out for 20 games with an [ upper body inury/jock itch/war depression /whatever ? ] which is approximately 1/4 of his contract and salary [2.9 Million] and we replace him on our roster with an ELC guy making 900,000 .....then we don't have the extra 2 million to utilize during that time he is on LTIR ? If that is so....how does it work ? Kucherov was off for a season and they used his money to run the club ... I know I'm missing lots ....but isn't that basic run of it minus the finer details .....which I am sure that they would be prepped for in advance of that happening ?
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I believe you can use the extra 2 mil while he is on LTIR -- however, you will have to clear that amount when he returns.
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How much cap space we create by putting a player on LTIR is dependent on how much the player costs and how much we are spending at the time we place them on LTIR. Any unused cap space is used before LTIR space is awarded.
So if the cap is 100 mil and our cap hits add up to 95 mil, putting a player on LTIR with a 4 mil cap hit does nothing (95 + 4 = 99). If the cap is 100 mil, we are spending 98 mil, and we place that same player on LTIR, we are able to then spend up to 102 mil while the player is on LTIR (98 + 4 = 102).
That's all a simplification, because cap hits are calculated by day, but that's the gist of how the LTIR space is calculated.
The other factor is that LTIR cap space can't be banked.
Let's say the cap is 100 mil and there are 200 days in the regular season. That means we can spend 500k per day. Our cap hits add up to 98 mil, so we are spending 490k per day. We are therefore saving 10k per day. After 100 days, we'd have saved a total of 1 mil. We could then spend up to 510k per day the rest of the way.
Now, same scenario, but we place that 4 mil player on LTIR. We are now allowed to spend up to 102 mil (98 + 4), which is 520k per day. We trade for a player with a 3 mil cap hit to replace that player. We are now spending 510k per day out of a possible 520k per day, but that extra 10k doesn't get saved. It's use it or lose it. In this scenario, we aren't saving any cap space for later in the year. And when the player on LTIR comes back, we have to get back down under the 100 mil cap.
Kucherov was out for the entire regular season. If he had come back at some point during the season, Tampa would have had to find a way to clear cap. But he didn't come back until the playoffs, so they didn't have to worry about it.
It's not to our advantage to have Panarin on LTIR for 1/4 of the season unless it happens to be the last 1/4 of the season and he won't be back until the playoffs. In that scenario, we could add a significant player at the deadline and have both players on the team come the playoffs. But of course, we'd be without Panarin for that last 1/4 of the season, which may hurt us more than the LTIR shenanigans help us.
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Boris Zubov
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This is not how negotiations work, especially with a former 1OA pick. They will pay him a little more than he's actually worth to avoid negative feelings in the next contract 2 years from now. Why create bitter feelings in a a young kid when they can overpay him by 500k & instill some confidence that they believe in him for both the short & long term.
will1066
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No arguing Goodrow is an overpayment. But come playoff time, you want him on the roster.
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