They would never deal him to the same division. They had no choice with debrincat
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TheOctopusKid
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I wonder if there is something to be had around Tarasenko and the Capitals. (not basing this on anything). The team is rumored to be looking at Hoglander as a way to beef up their secondary scoring.
They are currently in flux in terms of making a serious playoff run with Ovi, trying to break the goal record, transition from their old core (Oshie, Backstrom, Carlsonetc.) to a newly bought core (PLD, Strome, Chychrun, Roy, etc) while they have a number of key prospects in waiting (Cristall, etc.)
Tarasenko is a good player, I just think stylistically, he doesn't really fit with the Wings. He was meant to pick up some of the scoring loss from Perron. Issue is, he needs to play the RW and he needs someone to set him up - and the two best guys to do that - also play RW (Raymond, Kane). And unlike Perron, he doesn't bring the crash and bang passion in the other aspects of the game.
Moving a retained Tarasenko (50% 3.75M AAV for two years) to WAS for ... Ryan Chesley, 20yo RHD at Minnesota, known for being a top shutdown D in NCAA. Caps would probably be talked off from Chesley because they already have Carlson, Roy, Van Riemsdyk, Iorio all ahead of him for the next 2 years anyway.
Gives us a pretty good RHD prospect whose about a year out and could start on our bottom pair next season
They are currently in flux in terms of making a serious playoff run with Ovi, trying to break the goal record, transition from their old core (Oshie, Backstrom, Carlsonetc.) to a newly bought core (PLD, Strome, Chychrun, Roy, etc) while they have a number of key prospects in waiting (Cristall, etc.)
Tarasenko is a good player, I just think stylistically, he doesn't really fit with the Wings. He was meant to pick up some of the scoring loss from Perron. Issue is, he needs to play the RW and he needs someone to set him up - and the two best guys to do that - also play RW (Raymond, Kane). And unlike Perron, he doesn't bring the crash and bang passion in the other aspects of the game.
Moving a retained Tarasenko (50% 3.75M AAV for two years) to WAS for ... Ryan Chesley, 20yo RHD at Minnesota, known for being a top shutdown D in NCAA. Caps would probably be talked off from Chesley because they already have Carlson, Roy, Van Riemsdyk, Iorio all ahead of him for the next 2 years anyway.
Gives us a pretty good RHD prospect whose about a year out and could start on our bottom pair next season
19 for president
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Yeah the minute we did not address the defense this summer I had major doubts about us being even near last season. Then when we didn't dump Lalonde early it basically cemented that this is a bit of a lost year for us. I just hope we can get someone to make us some good deadline deals and get some of the kids up in the latter half of the year.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
At this point this season is lost IMO. Either fire Lalonde now or at the end of the season, same thing either way. I would do it now so he doesn't destroy the young players development any further, but whatever.
We desperately need one of Misa, Hagens, or Martone. Draft one of those guys, make a trade for a D like Hague with all of the extra prospects we have (Berggren + Lombardi, Mazur, Plante, Buium, Wallinder, etc), and ideally sign another top 6 F or make a big trade for someone like Kyle Connor with Brandsegg-Nygard/Danielson ++.
My ideal situation would be to trade for B. Tkachuk but that's not happening. Another dream scenario would be if Ehlers makes it to UFA, go after him hard with an aggressive 8M+/7 years. He is an elite player and is very underutilized in WPG. Let the kids play, and enter next year with:
Misa-Larkin-Raymond
Ehlers-Kasper-DeBrincat
MBN-Danielson-Tarasenko
Copp-Compher-Rasmussen
Motte
Edvisson-Seider
Hague-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Holl
(Gus somehow jettisoned into the sun)
Talbot
Cossa
This roster is a re-tool and has potential to be truly great IMO. But knowing YZerman he will sign Andrew Mangiapane to a 5 year 6.5M contract and call it a day.
We desperately need one of Misa, Hagens, or Martone. Draft one of those guys, make a trade for a D like Hague with all of the extra prospects we have (Berggren + Lombardi, Mazur, Plante, Buium, Wallinder, etc), and ideally sign another top 6 F or make a big trade for someone like Kyle Connor with Brandsegg-Nygard/Danielson ++.
My ideal situation would be to trade for B. Tkachuk but that's not happening. Another dream scenario would be if Ehlers makes it to UFA, go after him hard with an aggressive 8M+/7 years. He is an elite player and is very underutilized in WPG. Let the kids play, and enter next year with:
Misa-Larkin-Raymond
Ehlers-Kasper-DeBrincat
MBN-Danielson-Tarasenko
Copp-Compher-Rasmussen
Motte
Edvisson-Seider
Hague-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Holl
(Gus somehow jettisoned into the sun)
Talbot
Cossa
This roster is a re-tool and has potential to be truly great IMO. But knowing YZerman he will sign Andrew Mangiapane to a 5 year 6.5M contract and call it a day.
minimal
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Realistically, how much lower in the standings can this team go? Hard for me to look at the teams below Detroit and think that they're appreciably better than the Wings. I think the only way we drop further is if Ed, Seider, or Larkin are out for any extended period of time. Ditto with being stuck with Husso. At least if we get another yearly dose of Larkin missing two weeks we'll get Kasper up at 2C... right?
Steve Yzerlland
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I would send Debrincat to LA for Byfield and Clarke. I know LA would hang up though.Send them DeBrincat
lilidk
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I don't know how Kasper is not #2 center now.
saska sault
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10 percent chance at the playoffs and 5 percent chance at the #1 overall pick. We got the rest of the league right where we want them!
cjm502
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I honestly believe that one steady middle pairing defensemen and a coach that isn't asleep behind the wheel would go such a long way. Leave Ed and Berg on PP2. Never relegate Berg to 4th line minutes ever again. Play Kasper as the full time 2C. Completely restructure the PK in any other way besides how its run now. Let AlJo play the middle pair with the new middle pairing guy. Banish one of Chiarot, Petry, or Gus to the shadow realm until the end of time. I find Chiarot only slightly more tolerable then Petry and Gus, but he's still an idiot. At this point I like Holl more then those 3 and he's a 7th defenseman on most teams, but at least he knows his role and doesn't try to do too much. This coaching staff makes some head scratching decisions. TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, I still don't like Blash, but I'm confident he would be able to get more out of this roster. I was happy when Blash was fired since I thought Yzermans guy would be top notch but Fester has turned out to be a dud.
lilidk
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Snuggs
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I am interested to see what they'll get for him when he forces a trade.
I remember when Lalonde was hired and ALOT of fans were worried about him taking over a rebuild as a rookie coach. It's maybe proven to be too much for Lalonde but I'd argue any coach wouldn't be much better off right now. Maybe a little better( a good coach would of walked in last night starting Cossa)
Hopefully Yzerman hires a guy with some real clout, respect around the league, and just in-game cachet and finesse.
Like, since we want to compare things to the Lions, their HC pretty much runs things. Dan Campbell is heavily involved in the draft, offseason signings and resigning's and the types of players brought in. I'm not sure Yzerman/Red Wings coaching staff are working as closely together as maybe the Lions. (Dan Campbell was also hired before and over the GM/Scouts/etc.) Lions GM is searching and looking for players based on Dans criteria and honestly, I believe Dan Campbell has last say on the players drafted, especially when you watch those guys in the draft room on draft days. I'd argue Lions GM can't fire the HC. So, that dynamic alone is way different than the Red Wings and their coach/coaching staff.
I'd play out the season to keep the franchise prestige; of you won't get fired in-year as a Red Wings HC. Look to the Penguins and their coaching staff. David Quinn's a capable HC, him and Mike Sullivan are very good friends, Hiring Quinn and Sullivan coming in as an assistant is what I'd be trying as GM but, they're a lot of good coaching options available at the end of the season to really sift through.
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RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Tkachuk for Compher, Lombardi, Augustine/Cossa, 2026 1st. (I can dream).
Or if we get Misa/Martone/Hagens, then Danielson + Compher + 1st + another piece.
Or if we get Misa/Martone/Hagens, then Danielson + Compher + 1st + another piece.
So 1st overall pick + danielson + compher + 1st 2026 + one of wallinder/lombardi/buchelnikov etc....
And then tkachuk can basically say f off I'm going elsewhere in 3 years lmao ... I'd love to land him but that would be a no for me
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
No, I'm saying if we get one of those guys, then I would be comfortable including Danielson in a deal. So Danielson + Compher + Lombardi + 1st for Tkachuk. I would not trade Misa/Martone/Hagens straight up for Tkachuk.
I'd be worried about tkachuk leaving in 3 years but would be something to consider 0% chance that 1st wouldnt be top 10 protected though
cvaicunas
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You got your wish last night. Hopefully Lalonde will see the positives from the Compher and Copp line last night, and stick with that grouping. Give Kane and Kasper more time to gel. Not sold on Ras being the right fit on the opposite wing. I would try Burgers there, but it seems Lalonde hasn't gained any real trust in him this season. Shit, maybe throw Motte on that line instead.
lilidk
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Squirrel in the Hole
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A bit too early for a fire sale, but maybe do what the Tigers did: broom some vets and let the kids play with no pressure. The problem with that is I don't think we have the coaching staff for that, and there's not a lot we can do about that right now. Fester, Tanguay and Boogie all need to go. I don't think Watson is a suitable replacement. Bringing in Spud or another retread isn't going to help.
Steve Yzerlland
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I have been a fan of Berggren this year and hoping he gets better opportunities, but damn he didn't do himself any favors on the 4th Buffalo goal last night.
Lalonde will have him on double-secret probation for sure.
Barry Amsterdam
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ok just a excercise nobody go bananas here
Larkin, Tarasenko, Chiarot > Dallas Wyatt Johnston, Harley , 1st
Kane, Ras -> Edm 1st
Talbot-> Col 2nd
Dal 1st, Edm 1st, Berggren, 2026 1st-> Brady Tkachuk
Cat-Johnston-Raymond
Danielson-Kasper-Tkachuk
Veleno-Compher-Soderblom
Fischer-Copp- Motte
Ed- Seider
Harley - Gus
Holl- Johansson
Lyon
Cossa
Surely bottoms out rest of the season
Draft Martone , Bring over Buchelnikov,ASP,MBN,Mazur
2026
Cat-Johnston-Raymond
Tkachuk-Kasper-Martone
Buchelnikov-Danielson-MBN
Copp-Compher-Mazur
Ed-Seider
Harley-Asp
Gus-Johansson
Cossa
Lyon
Pp1
Tkachuk
Martone Johnston Raymond
ASP
pp2
Kasper
Cat Danielson Buchelnikov
Seider
Larkin, Tarasenko, Chiarot > Dallas Wyatt Johnston, Harley , 1st
Kane, Ras -> Edm 1st
Talbot-> Col 2nd
Dal 1st, Edm 1st, Berggren, 2026 1st-> Brady Tkachuk
Cat-Johnston-Raymond
Danielson-Kasper-Tkachuk
Veleno-Compher-Soderblom
Fischer-Copp- Motte
Ed- Seider
Harley - Gus
Holl- Johansson
Lyon
Cossa
Surely bottoms out rest of the season
Draft Martone , Bring over Buchelnikov,ASP,MBN,Mazur
2026
Cat-Johnston-Raymond
Tkachuk-Kasper-Martone
Buchelnikov-Danielson-MBN
Copp-Compher-Mazur
Ed-Seider
Harley-Asp
Gus-Johansson
Cossa
Lyon
Pp1
Tkachuk
Martone Johnston Raymond
ASP
pp2
Kasper
Cat Danielson Buchelnikov
Seider
19 for president
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The only hope we have for someone driving secondary offense is to split Ray and Larkin. I love them together but they are our only offensive line drivers.
Give me
DBC-Larkin-Kane
Berg-Kasper-Ray
Compher-Copp-Ras
Fisher-Veleno- Motte
Kane only looks passable when he is with Larkin. As they'd likely see a lot of Ed/Seider maybe they could get some 5 on 5 offensive going on breakouts. DBC always looks his best playing with Larkin as well.
Gives you a classic playmaker (Berg), crasher (Kasper) and shooter (Ray) line. All 3 are offensively gifted enough to help in other areas as well. Really pushes Ray to drive a line and if Berg can't hack it on this line I wouldn't have much belief in him offensively going forward. Its time to see what we have with him offensively and make a deal if he isn't a long term fit.
CCR line provides you with energy that can hopefully be a shutdown line and score the occasional dirty goal.
4th line is largely PK parts, but can probably provide an energy shift. Wouldn't expect much offensively.
Give me
DBC-Larkin-Kane
Berg-Kasper-Ray
Compher-Copp-Ras
Fisher-Veleno- Motte
Kane only looks passable when he is with Larkin. As they'd likely see a lot of Ed/Seider maybe they could get some 5 on 5 offensive going on breakouts. DBC always looks his best playing with Larkin as well.
Gives you a classic playmaker (Berg), crasher (Kasper) and shooter (Ray) line. All 3 are offensively gifted enough to help in other areas as well. Really pushes Ray to drive a line and if Berg can't hack it on this line I wouldn't have much belief in him offensively going forward. Its time to see what we have with him offensively and make a deal if he isn't a long term fit.
CCR line provides you with energy that can hopefully be a shutdown line and score the occasional dirty goal.
4th line is largely PK parts, but can probably provide an energy shift. Wouldn't expect much offensively.
norrisnick
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I'd do that but swap Kane and Ras... Kane cannot play big minutes at 5on5.
