How do you fix the Wings?

[saska sault]

I am probably in the minority here, but I would rather suffer the growing pains of Ed and AlJo then take on bad contracts of has beens, or close to it D's.

I'm of a similar mindset, Gibson does nothing to appeal to me with his contract unless he is acquired with retention and not at a high asking price. I realize stats suffer on bad teams, but we have been a bad team also... so.... do with that information as you want. I don't want Husso and Lyon as the tandem but Gibson isn't turning the same roster into a playoff team IMO.

 

[datsyukfan]

Just wondering if some way we could pull off stammer + Kane + Roy + ghost


Give stammer and Kane both 3 years, Roy maybe 5 years and ghost 3 years.

If we bridge Mo and Raymond you can get their cap hits down.

Move off of Holl, Mattaa, fabbri

Kane and stammer fall off when some prospects starting needing new deals but there really is no other guys that need new deals other than Mo and Raymond for the next few years

 

[jkutswings]

Definitely something to watch...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806727559398179134

 

[minimal]

Surprised that we haven't heard anything about a Holl buyout at this point. Something cooking here?

 

[Henkka]

Surprised that we haven't heard anything about a Holl buyout at this point. Something cooking here?

I haven't seen him being bought out at any point.

Just peoples' falsy hopes.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Surprised that we haven't heard anything about a Holl buyout at this point. Something cooking here?

At this point I'm starting to expect we roll into next season with exactly the same roster. Going into July 1 with all of our RFAs unsigned isn't really inspiring confidence that SY has any big moves planned.

 

[Indrid Cold]

I'm of a similar mindset, Gibson does nothing to appeal to me with his contract unless he is acquired with retention and not at a high asking price. I realize stats suffer on bad teams, but we have been a bad team also... so.... do with that information as you want. I don't want Husso and Lyon as the tandem but Gibson isn't turning the same roster into a playoff team IMO.

With the goaltenders as well. Stay the course and promote from within. I don't care if we miss the playoffs for 2 or 3 more years if we come a better team with a better cap situation.

 

[Henkka]

At this point I'm starting to expect we roll into next season with exactly the same roster. Going into July 1 with all of our RFAs unsigned isn't really inspiring confidence that SY has any big moves planned.

Maybe "same" team, but a better team.

Prepare for internal growth from the kids. At next season they aren't the same players they were at 2023-24.

 

[raymond23]

Stamkos does not excite me

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Stamkos. You are a red wing

 

[RedHawkDown]

Maybe "same" team, but a better team.

Prepare for internal growth from the kids. At next season they aren't the same players they were at 2023-24.

Every other teams young players are also getting better. If that’s the plan, it won’t be enough.

Ottawa will get growth from Stutzle and Sanderson, plus Tkachuk is still very young. Actually their whole core is very young.

Buffalo will see improvements from Dahlin, Power, Cozens, Quinn, etc

MTL looking at Slaf becoming a true threat, Mailloux, Hutson, etc

and that is just our own division

 

[Frk It]

Delete - nvm

 

[RedHawkDown]

We have Edvinsson, Raymond, Seider

May get Johansson and Berggren on the team too.

Kasper, Danielson, Cossa in GR

How’s it any different?

It’s not different, that’s my point. We won’t get any better in the standings jsut by depending on the kids because every other team also has kids who will get better

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Stamkos does not excite me

Honestly, of those we could get, who would excite you?

Stamkos is likely the absolute best SY could ever pull off

 

[Henkka]

Okay. The sky is gonna fall and grass is greener everywhere else.

Sabres is the next NHL Dynasty winning 5 in-a-row and so on.

Red Wings will keep being a pile of shit.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Honestly, of those we could get, who would excite you?

Stamkos is likely the absolute best SY could ever pull off

Stamkos would at least stabilize our C until we see what we have in Danielson and Kasper.

He may not be a superstar 1c anymore but he sure as shit would be better than whatever else we have available for 2c. His ATOI last season was a hair over 18; cut him back to 17. 1st line 21 minutes, 2nd line 17 minutes, third line 12 minutes, fourth line 9 minutes.

If Danielson is able to make the roster and progress to being able to handle 2c next season or the season after you shift Stamkos to the wing.

The improved C depth also gives you the flexibility to buy out Copp, and then you can maybe find a way to make space to improve the rest of the roster. Signing Stamkos to a contract that matches most of Copp's buyout time is the equivalent of paying like 2 million a season to massively upgrade at C.

I'd also much rather pay Stamkos 6 than Kane.

That being said, I still doubt Stamkos leaves TB.

 

[odin1981]

Stamkos would at least stabilize our C until we see what we have in Danielson and Kasper.

He may not be a superstar 1c anymore but he sure as shit would be better than whatever else we have available for 2c. His ATOI last season was a hair over 18; cut him back to 17. 1st line 21 minutes, 2nd line 17 minutes, third line 12 minutes, fourth line 9 minutes.

If Danielson is able to make the roster and progress to being able to handle 2c next season or the season after you shift Stamkos to the wing.

The improved C depth also gives you the flexibility to buy out Copp, and then you can maybe find a way to make space to improve the rest of the roster. Signing Stamkos to a contract that matches most of Copp's buyout time is the equivalent of paying like 2 million a season to massively upgrade at C.

I'd also much rather pay Stamkos 6 than Kane.

That being said, I still doubt Stamkos leaves TB.

Then why do the overwhelming majority of Bolts fans see him as a winger at this point in his career? He might be better in the locker room, but at best he would be a Kane replacement that is a winger with PP time.

Never has Stamkos been a "good" center by 2 way play or face offs. Thinking he is a great center option is leaving yourself open for disappointment.

Now I'd this to say he is a bad hockey player no of course not. But if you are expecting a 1b type center buyer beware.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Seems like Stamkos is ripe to go to Pittsburgh on a crippling contract. Make it happen Dubas!

 

[jkutswings]

How expensive would he be? There must be plenty of teams lined up.


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[Roomba With a Bauer]

Then why do the overwhelming majority of Bolts fans see him as a winger at this point in his career? He might be better in the locker room, but at best he would be a Kane replacement that is a winger with PP time.

Never has Stamkos been a "good" center by 2 way play or face offs. Thinking he is a great center option is leaving yourself open for disappointment.

Now I'd this to say he is a bad hockey player no of course not. But if you are expecting a 1b type center buyer beware.

No, not 1b. At this point Stamkos as a center probably caps at a 17/minute per night (with some of that being PP time) 2c.

His FO% has never been abysmal, and he has been over 50% every season since 2015.

 

[datsyukfan]

We don’t need Stamkos to be a C, we just need him to have the ability to be one that can keep our top 6 afloat if Larkin is down for a period of time. Him having the ability to do it is very important

 

[odin1981]

We don’t need Stamkos to be a C, we just need him to have the ability to be one that can keep our top 6 afloat if Larkin is down for a period of time. Him having the ability to do it is very important

I'm not attacking him. All I'm saying is if we want a 1b that is not what he is at this point. He would be a upgrade over Compher but then we are paying a ton for our 3rd and 4th line centers with Kasper and Danielsson like 1-3 years away. In a perfect setting you would have him deployed much like Kane was as a top 6w with PP time.

 

[datsyukfan]

I'm not attacking him. All I'm saying is if we want a 1b that is not what he is at this point. He would be an upgrade over Compher but then we are paying a ton for our 3rd and 4th line centers with Kasper and Danielsson like 1-3 years away. In a perfect setting you would have him deployed much like Kane was as a top 6w with PP time.

Ya I think we just try to make our top y wingers better instead. You add stammer and another legit top 6 winger (Kane, debrusk, marchesault, etc) then I think you have 2 really good lines with Compher as a 2C

 

[Henkka]

Then why do the overwhelming majority of Bolts fans see him as a winger at this point in his career? He might be better in the locker room, but at best he would be a Kane replacement that is a winger with PP time.

Never has Stamkos been a "good" center by 2 way play or face offs. Thinking he is a great center option is leaving yourself open for disappointment.

Now I'd this to say he is a bad hockey player no of course not. But if you are expecting a 1b type center buyer beware.

Yeah. Stamkos is a winger.

People who think him in the middle are just playing video games.

Still, I would like a 2nd line of:

Stamkos - Compher - Kane

 

[datsyukfan]

Yeah. Stamkos is a winger.

People who think him in the middle are just playing video games.

Still, I would like a 2nd line of:

Stamkos - Compher - Kane

Yep that’s what I’m hoping our top 6 is

Cat-Larkin-Raymond
Stammer-Compher-Kane

Go 3 years on both kane and stammer. Completely bridges the gap with our prospects starting to come in. After seider and Raymond you basically have nobody that is significant to try to extend.

I want Raymond and seider on long term deals but bridge deals wouldn’t be bad either in this scenario as it would allow you to have enough money to go after kane and stammer and hopefully a couple d-men as well.