How do you fix the Wings?

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

We got to try to move Copp, Holl and Chiarot. I doubt it though.

I actually agree with one-third of your post. So we're getting more in sync!

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Husso or Holl is next to be moved imo

 

[Our Lady Peace]

To do:

• Sign Seider and Raymond

• Acquire top 4 RD (Theodore? He plays RD. Even as a stopgap I would cry if we got him...)

• Trade Holl

• Buy out Husso (cheap, if you can find the little cap to do so)

 

[Henkka]

To do:

• Sign Seider and Raymond

Sign Berggren and Veleno too.

• Acquire top 4 RD (Theodore? He plays RD. Even as a stopgap I would cry if we got him...)
• Trade Holl
• Buy out Husso (cheap, if you can find the little cap to do so)

You can't buyout Husso anymore.

Options are either using him as a backup, trading him, or burying in the AHL.

 

[Henkka]

Interesting discussion at many places how Red Wings 2nd line Center isn't enough good.

Comparing to Florida, last 2 season production:

1. Barkov 1.12 points per game
1. Larkin 1.00 points per game

2. Bennett 0.61 points per game
2. Compher 0.63 points per game

3. Lundell 0.45 points per game
3. Copp 0.47 points per game

4. Stenlund 0.19 points per game
4. Veleno 0.30 points per game

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The Ekblad notion makes no sense...Florida's D would be Forsling and...Holl?

If we want a true #2/3 D, we need to find a team up against the cap, with good RFAs to resign

 

[Henkka]

		2023-24 season	Games	Goals	Points	P/G				Projected 2024-25 season	Proj.GP	Proj. Gls	Proj. Pts	Added points
1.	C	Dylan Larkin	68	33	67	0,99		1.	C	Dylan Larkin	80	40	79	12	Healthier season
2.	RW	Patrick Kane	50	20	47	0,94		2.	RW	Patrick Kane	82	32	77	30	Full season
3.	RW	Lucas Raymond	82	31	72	0,88		3.	RW	Lucas Raymond	82	34	82	10	Will develop to P/G player level
4.	LW	Alex DeBrincat	82	27	67	0,82		4.	LW	Alex DeBrincat	82	30	67	0
5.	C	J.T. Compher	77	19	48	0,62		5.	C	J.T. Compher	82	20	51	3
6.	W	David Perron	76	17	47	0,62		6.	W	Vladimir Tarasenko	73	22	52	5	Perron vs. Tarasenko
7.	W	Daniel Sprong	76	18	43	0,57		7.	W	Jonatan Berggren	82	18	41	-2	Sprong vs. Berggren
8.	C	Andrew Copp	79	13	33	0,42		8.	C	Andrew Copp	81	12	34	1
9.	LW	Michael Rasmussen	75	13	33	0,44		9.	LW	Michael Rasmussen	71	12	31	-2
10.	C	Joe Veleno	80	11	28	0,35		10.	C	Joe Veleno	81	14	34	6	Will take a slight production jump
11.	LW	Robby Fabbri	68	18	32	0,47		11.	LW	Tyler Motte	66	7	10	-22	Points drop, PK and DEF add.
12.	RW	Christian Fischer	79	5	19	0,24		12.	RW	Christian Fischer	80	8	19	0
13.	F	others	82	5	11	0,13		13.	F	others	82	5	11	0
			984	230	547	0,556					984	254	588	0,598
				Goals	Points	Avg Pts/G						Proj. Gls	Proj. Pts	Avg Pts/G

Some statistical comparison to last year.

This 2024-25 roster is potential for more goals, more points and for better points/game.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

What about Holl, Berggren and a 2nd or 3rd to Calgary for Andersson?

 

[norrisnick]

What about Holl, Berggren and a 2nd or 3rd to Calgary for Andersson?

Andersson, with that deal is a two 1sts level of value. Burgers + a 2nd is probably missing at least a 1st/2nd in value. Adding Holl basically takes either Burgers' or the 2nd's value out of the trade. If Calgary wants to rebuild, moving Rasmussen would yield a massive return. Or, he's young enough to be the vet to build around.

 

[SirloinUB]

What are the chances Husso ends up on LTIR? He has played 2 games since December 18th. That would leave Talbot as the starter with Lyon backing him up.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Andersson, with that deal is a two 1sts level of value. Burgers + a 2nd is probably missing at least a 1st/2nd in value. Adding Holl basically takes either Burgers' or the 2nd's value out of the trade. If Calgary wants to rebuild, moving Rasmussen would yield a massive return. Or, he's young enough to be the vet to build around.

They are not getting two first round picks for him. Chychrun went for Jensen and a third.

 

[norrisnick]

They are not getting two first round picks for him. Chychrun went for Jensen and a third.

Chychrun isn't in the same universe as Rasmus Andersson.

And Chychrun was making "I'm not re-signing here" noises. Which significantly tanked his value.

 

[Oddbob]

What about Holl, Berggren and a 2nd or 3rd to Calgary for Andersson?

Why on earth would Calgary move a top 4 defender for this? Imagine if we had him and then someone made that offer.

What are the chances Husso ends up on LTIR? He has played 2 games since December 18th. That would leave Talbot as the starter with Lyon backing him up.

I feel like since there hasn't been a move yet, that the Wings aren't counting on him being healthy. That said, if Veleno goes to arbitration, doesn't that open up a new buyout window? Maybe they didn't buy him out during the first one, cause Talbot wasn't signed yet. Then they added Campbell as well.

 

[Oddbob]

They are not getting two first round picks for him. Chychrun went for Jensen and a third.

Can't really compare as Chychrun made it pretty clear he didn't want to be in Ottawa long term and that likely killed his trade value. Also, Staios is a new GM and I think got taken to the cleaners on this deal.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Can't really compare as Chychrun made it pretty clear he didn't want to be in Ottawa long term and that likely killed his trade value. Also, Staios is a new GM and I think got taken to the cleaners on this deal.

Wish we got him.

 

[Henkka]

It was interesting at some Senators youtube videos, how Chychryn really liked Detroit.

Think he would be possible addition, when he will reach UFA.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

So what are we expecting the future D core to look like? Who do we all think is trending to make it and who won’t make it? I think seider, edvinsson ASP and Johansson are locks (they seem to absolutely love ALJO). I can’t lie, I’d love to acquire some guys like jackeye (I always forget how to actually spell it sorry) for our bottom pair. Tuomisto, buium, other Johansson, wallinder, how are they coming along in all our opinions? I’m really upset about losing Gibson honestly, I thought he had a great D+1.

 

[Umingmak]

I'm really not optimistic right now. I like 5/6 of our top 6, but Compher still being the 2C is...not good. The defense is pretty bad past Seider (and probably Edvinsson, but we need to actually see him play more than a dozen games to really rule on where he's at). The goaltending is...yikes.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809335694185123869

Joey Veleno elects arbitration

Edit - Delete item, started seperate dedicated thread Tks

 

[Pavels Dog]

I'm really not optimistic right now. I like 5/6 of our top 6, but Compher still being the 2C is...not good. The defense is pretty bad past Seider (and probably Edvinsson, but we need to actually see him play more than a dozen games to really rule on where he's at). The goaltending is...yikes.

If Edvinsson, at this point in his development, can’t play at a similar or better level than Walman/Määttä/Chiarot, I’d argue the rebuild has big problems and arguably the best thing is for the team to regress and get another top 10 pick (or two).

We’re simply getting to a point where some of these kids need to sink or swim.

 

[Frk It]

So what are we expecting the future D core to look like? Who do we all think is trending to make it and who won’t make it? I think seider, edvinsson ASP and Johansson are locks (they seem to absolutely love ALJO). I can’t lie, I’d love to acquire some guys like jackeye (I always forget how to actually spell it sorry) for our bottom pair. Tuomisto, buium, other Johansson, wallinder, how are they coming along in all our opinions? I’m really upset about losing Gibson honestly, I thought he had a great D+1.

I expect Wallinder to have a big season in GR but I am higher on him than most.

I think he could be a middle pairing guy down the road, and might jump someone like Johansson at some point because he has the type of frame to handle more minutes and tougher matchups.

I’m also curious to see Buium at the AHL level if he gets the opportunity, I think he gets kind of lost in the shuffle, but I’ve always liked him as a prospect.

 

[datsyukfan]

I expect Wallinder to have a big season in GR but I am higher on him than most.

I think he could be a middle pairing guy down the road, and might jump someone like Johansson at some point because he has the type of frame to handle more minutes and tougher matchups.

I’m also curious to see Buium at the AHL level if he gets the opportunity, I think he gets kind of lost in the shuffle, but I’ve always liked him as a prospect.

Love both of these guys I think both can be middle pairing guys. If these two hit we could really have basically a full home grown d-core in a few years

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Interesting discussion at many places how Red Wings 2nd line Center isn't enough good.

Comparing to Florida, last 2 season production:

1. Barkov 1.12 points per game
1. Larkin 1.00 points per game

2. Bennett 0.61 points per game
2. Compher 0.63 points per game

3. Lundell 0.45 points per game
3. Copp 0.47 points per game

4. Stenlund 0.19 points per game
4. Veleno 0.30 points per game

Now do their wingers and goaltending.

 

[lilidk]

My guess Yzerman will wait until preseason to make decisions for final trades
Witch goalie stays and witch one go, do we need second line center or Compher is the one . How our defense looks . Definitely he likes to improve this team, not to tank for next season

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Can we just trade Jonny Burgers, Veleno and our unprotected 1st in 2025 for Zetterlund, Eklund and a 2nd?