How did Kevin Weekes know Columbus had dropped to #3 BEFORE the card was flipped??????

[Brodeur]

Is it really that difficult to do a lottery live?

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2022-23/2023DraftLotteryGuide.pdf

It's not, as others pointed out it would not cater to the average fan. Every year there seems to be at least one person who still thinks the ping pong balls have team logos on it and that's how the lottery is conducted. The average fan isn't going to print out the sheet that has the 1,000 assigned combinations or have it at their disposal.

The NHL could produce it differently which I wouldn't be opposed to. The winning combination yesterday was 5-13-4-9. They could have revealed the first three balls then showed which teams would win depending on the final ball. But given how much confusion there is over the process, I doubt that would satisfy the tin foil hat crowd.

5-13-4-1: [1-4-5-13] Columbus
5-13-4-2: [2-4-5-13] San Jose
5-13-4-3: [3-4-5-13] Washington
5-13-4-6: [4-5-6-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-7: [4-5-7-13] Nashville
5-13-4-8: [4-5-8-13] St. Louis
5-13-4-9: [4-5-9-13] Chicago
5-13-4-10: [4-5-10-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-11: [4-5-11-13] Arizona
5-13-4-12: [4-5-12-13] San Jose
5-13-4-14: [4-5-13-14] Chicago

If there's anything the lottery reminds me of every single damn year, is that there's a lot of people who are bad at math. In a different thread, somebody was actually trying to argue that 115 was more than 185.

 

[ricky0034]

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2022-23/2023DraftLotteryGuide.pdf

It's not, as others pointed out it would not cater to the average fan. Every year there seems to be at least one person who still thinks the ping pong balls have team logos on it and that's how the lottery is conducted. The average fan isn't going to print out the sheet that has the 1,000 assigned combinations or have it at their disposal.

The NHL could produce it differently which I wouldn't be opposed to. The winning combination yesterday was 5-13-4-9. They could have revealed the first three balls then showed which teams would win depending on the final ball. But given how much confusion there is over the process, I doubt that would satisfy the tin foil hat crowd.

5-13-4-1: [1-4-5-13] Columbus
5-13-4-2: [2-4-5-13] San Jose
5-13-4-3: [3-4-5-13] Washington
5-13-4-6: [4-5-6-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-7: [4-5-7-13] Nashville
5-13-4-8: [4-5-8-13] St. Louis
5-13-4-9: [4-5-9-13] Chicago
5-13-4-10: [4-5-10-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-11: [4-5-11-13] Arizona
5-13-4-12: [4-5-12-13] San Jose
5-13-4-14: [4-5-13-14] Chicago

If there's anything the lottery reminds me of every single damn year, is that there's a lot of people who are bad at math. In a different thread, somebody was actually trying to argue that 115 was more than 185.

yeah I think they generally have the right approach in just trying to make it as entertaining as they can for the general public, with the team representatives and clearly defined process with a big accounting firm supervising for the teams themselves and then taping that for any fans that do care enough about the process to want to look into it

that doesn't necessarily mean that the envelopes thing is the best way to go about making it entertaining and I wouldn't mind them trying other things but the entertainment value should be the priority for the TV stuff, you're never pleasing the "it's rigged" people anyways

 

[Mattb124]

It saddens me that this is a thread.

 

[Machinehead]

People will do anything to try and find a conspiracy.

Of course the TV people know. I'm surprised how few were aware of that.

Wrestling announcers typically have the entire card in front of them with the results, and notes on how the match will go.

 

[Em etah Eh]

I’m glad this thread exists because I thought I lost my mind yesterday. I was going back and forth between the kitchen and living room and thought I was paying pretty close attention. Then Weekes made the Columbus comment and I was like “wait, what???”. I thought I missed a huge reveal but it was spoiled haha.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

No, it would be easy to do it live, but would make for pretty dull TV. Would just be flipping cards….there is a lot of prep that goes into putting on a show

The draft is live so why can't they just do the lotto live.

 

[LuGBuG]

No. It wasn’t rigged. We lost. Please pick Fantilli.

 

[Brodeur]

The draft is live so why can't they just do the lotto live.

I wouldn't trust the average fan to understand how it works. As mentioned the winning combination for the top pick was 5-13-4-9. The average fan is not going to have the 1,000 combinations at their disposal. Imagine being at sports bar with no audio as they tried to explain the rules. Having some random suit scan a sheet and tell the camera "Umm....that's Chicago" would be anticlimatic and the tinfoil hat crowd would still claim something was fishy.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2022-23/2023DraftLotteryGuide.pdf

It's not, as others pointed out it would not cater to the average fan. Every year there seems to be at least one person who still thinks the ping pong balls have team logos on it and that's how the lottery is conducted. The average fan isn't going to print out the sheet that has the 1,000 assigned combinations or have it at their disposal.

The NHL could produce it differently which I wouldn't be opposed to. The winning combination yesterday was 5-13-4-9. They could have revealed the first three balls then showed which teams would win depending on the final ball. But given how much confusion there is over the process, I doubt that would satisfy the tin foil hat crowd.

5-13-4-1: [1-4-5-13] Columbus
5-13-4-2: [2-4-5-13] San Jose
5-13-4-3: [3-4-5-13] Washington
5-13-4-6: [4-5-6-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-7: [4-5-7-13] Nashville
5-13-4-8: [4-5-8-13] St. Louis
5-13-4-9: [4-5-9-13] Chicago
5-13-4-10: [4-5-10-13] Anaheim
5-13-4-11: [4-5-11-13] Arizona
5-13-4-12: [4-5-12-13] San Jose
5-13-4-14: [4-5-13-14] Chicago

If there's anything the lottery reminds me of every single damn year, is that there's a lot of people who are bad at math. In a different thread, somebody was actually trying to argue that 115 was more than 185.

Reminds of the story of how Burger King (I think?) came out with a 1/3 pound burger to compete with McDonald's 1/4 pounder and it supposedly failed because people thought they were getting more with the 1/4 pounder!

 

[Siludin]

Is it really that difficult to do a lottery live?

It would be difficult to do via analog means in a satisfying live manner (like using balls with the regular lotto as an example) because the results of each draw can impact/reset the odds of the following draw.
Like if Chicago gets drawn their balls are still in there so the teams with lots of balls would continue to get repeated draws, which is boring and it changes the odds/weight if a team is removed from the draw by being picked. So you'd have to reset the draw each time and that is easy to do digitally but then everyone would say it's rigged.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting how they could manage it, but I don't think it make for exciting TV.

 

[Viqsi]

The Athletic actually had a pretty interesting "insider view" article by Aaron Portzline on how the process goes - much of which you can see in the official video, but with one or two little details added:

Inside the moment the Chicago Blackhawks won the NHL Draft Lottery — before a TV miscue

The Athletic was inside the room when the four ping-pong balls got drawn. Here's how the night went.

theathletic.com

7:02 p.m. Thomas Meaney, an NHL VP of events, is positioned approximately 15 feet away from the lottery matchine with his back to the rest of the room. He is instructed by Bettman to shout “draw” every 20 seconds so that Gorbachik, who stands by the device, can’t be accused to timing his level pull to let a ball shoot up the cylinder.

Meaney has done this for several years. It’s not clear how the job fell to him, Dellapina said — he’s just good at it. After about 20 seconds, the first shout: “Draw!”

And right like that, the lottery is started, first to determine the No. 1 overall draft pick. The numbers are revealed in the span of 80 seconds: 5-13-4-9. (The order isn’t important, but they’re rearranged quickly — 4-5-9-13 — to make it easier for Clarke to look up the winner.)

“And the winner is…?” Bettman said. Clarke, after a momentary pause as he scrolls through the sea of numbers, finds the match: “Chicago Blackhawks,” he said. The room is absolutely quiet except for the humming of the lottery machine.

A few people are tracing through the numbers to see how this fell. Vancouver had 4-5-9-12. Columbus had 4-5-9-14. So close.

The whole "every twenty seconds" for each draw wouldn't allow much time for TV hype.

 

[Brodeur]

Reminds of the story of how Burger King (I think?) came out with a 1/3 pound burger to compete with McDonald's 1/4 pounder and it supposedly failed because people thought they were getting more with the 1/4 pounder!

A&W Restaurants

By now you've probably heard the story: once upon a time, A&W Restaurants released a third-pound burger that failed to catch on thanks to a misunderstanding of fractions. Just how accurate is this tale of math mistakes and fraction flubs? Read on for the scoop. In the 1980s, then-owner A. Alfred...

awrestaurants.com

Back in 2019, my friend (Avs fan) didn't quite understand how they could have the "best" odds (18.5%) also meaning that they had an 81.5% chance at not getting the first pick. My friend also had two PhDs in some complicated biomedical stuff that I have no hope of explaining. He also expressed disbelief that Colorado went from #1 to #4 (50.6% chance) in 2017 and 2019. He didn't understand that the odds of that happening were about the same as flipping a coin twice and having it come up heads both times.

He further claimed that the NHL wouldn't ever let the Avs have the #1 pick. I had to remind him that they won the MacKinnon lottery...

 

[Guttersniped]

If the lottery was rigged why would the league have put McDavid in Edmonton of all places

People don’t like the results = rigged. It doesn’t have to make sense.

There’s a video of 2023 draft with ping pong balls.

They changed the lottery rules in 2015 to make it harder for the worst teams to win the 1OA because the Oilers won three 1OA by the worst team twice and 2nd worst once.

And then the Oilers got lucky and won the 2015 draft as the 3rd worst team. Go figure.

And some people are now, somehow, arguing that they fixed the 2015 draft for the Oilers, in order to defend the nonsense about this being fixed.

The 3rd worst team won the draft lottery, it’s not a shocking result.

The lottery is anti-tanking because the worst teams don’t automatically get the best picks. That’s all it does.

Executives (Yzerman?) complained that some teams were continually getting screwed by being pushed down.

So they got rid of the 3rd lottery pick and teams can only move up 10 spots. That’s what those changes are for.

The lottery odds haven’t changed though, except the for the worst team, which are now worse, going from 20% to 18.5%. (That 1.5% went to #14-16.)

And teams can only win the lottery twice in five years. There will always be bad teams, only half the teams make the playoffs, but now teams can’t continually be bad and keep racking up lottery picks in a short span of time (which is what they wanted to prevent when they changed the rules in 2015).

 

[izlez]

So, what even is the theory here?

How to rig the NHL draft lottery:
1. Inform as many members of the media as possible of your secret intentions beforehand.
2. ????
3. Oh shit why did we tell the media we rigged it?!?
4. Profit

 

[powerbomb]

That this is being tendered as any sort of "proof" that the NHL lottery is rigged is hilarious as it is sad

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Why are you also assuming that it's Weekes that messed up and that he was making those comments live? My guess would be that those voice overs he made were done pre-show and someone messed up and played it before they were supposed to.

The timing that he'd have to have for it to be that seamless live is just not happening.

I thought he just read too far in the script and didn't read the prompter, but upon re-watch I agree. Looks like a production error.

 

[who_me?]

If anything, Weekes should be dropped from future draft lotteries for the gaffe. Truly a low IQ individual.

 

[Reddawg]

Is it really that difficult to do a lottery live?

Well yeah...what if someone made a mistake?

 

[Kranix]

Weekes was obviously reading a teleprompter the whole time, or he is excellent at memorizing lines, but not at delivering them in a way that doesn't sound rehearsed. He was fed the line prematurely.

 

[Happyhary9]

This, use some common sense lol.

He's still a moron for the mistiming but everyone with a brain knows this wasn't a live drawing right?

The whole lottery thread just confirms my belief that a majority of the world's population is in fact dumb. Most people just believe anything as long as it fits their narrative. There is a reason there is like 50 so called "news" channels now, don't like or believe the one you are watching just turn it to one that tells you what you want to hear.

 

[monkforasia]

I love how people are attacking Weekes, when he's just reading off the teleprompter. The production team messed up. They had an hour to prepare. Mistakes happen. Move on. Imagine if people hounded every mistake you made?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Here is the reality - San Jose stayed at #4 going to commercial for the final 3.



Nothing had changed but Weekes teased going to the commercial that Columbus has dropped and said the #1 pick would be Anaheim or Chicago. Look at the tape....................

HOW DID HE KNOW?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Kevin Weekes is from the future

 

[Happyhary9]

There’s not much to get. TV is a production and the flipping of cards is a performance. He and other live commentators for the special were given the list in advance to have basic factoids lined up and he accidentally jumped the gun, as the draft already happened.

Not really much to go from here other than annoyance at botching a simple broadcast.

edit: or potentially more humorously, their broadcast booth was given the list, the teleprompter accidentally typed too far ahead, and Weekes pulled a Ron Burgundy and just read what was in front of him without even thinking about it.

 

[Happyhary9]

Kevin Weekes is from the future