How bad is the morale of the fanbase right now?

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Playoffs?
Yes, every year after the regular season there is an tournament elimination tournament for the Stanley Cup. Entrance to this tournament is based on regular season divisional standings + 2 wild Cards. With six games in, it is impossible to tell who will make the tournemt this early point. Even teams like Montreal who are 1-5 in their first six or the Islanders who are 2-2-1 after five, Colorado who are 2-3-0 after 5 games as well as our Leafs who are 2-3-1 after six can all still make this tournament.
 
I watched ~75 games a year from 2006 to last year. I've watched a cumulative 13 minutes this season. Never been better, would recommend.

2013 was brutal but that team wasn't any good to begin with. 2018 was unfortunate. 2019 started to feel like a pattern. 2020 was a joke. Last year jumped the f***ing shark. I can't really get it up for another regular season when they mean literally nothing. Marner's playing bad? Matthews isn't scoring? Oh no, how ever will we recapture last year's resounding successes
Very accurate description
 
It should be that low. No one is going to worry about how the Leafs are playing untill the playoffs. The regular season doesn't matter to kany in the board.
atleast we live in an era where out of market games are easily accessible. If this was thirty years ago we'd be Stuck watching this shit or stop watching hockey all together
 
Toronto has always liked their “meat and potatoes” hockey. Hard working, leave it all on the ice type players and team. This team is not that obviously and seems easy for the fans to turn. Throw in a few public negotiations that favoured the players and it’s made it even easier to turn on them.
 
This was expected this season. They should be in a fight for a playoff spot all season, assuming they want to make the playoffs.
 
I'm good. I detached myself emotionally from sports after that game 7 loss to Boston. I'm more of a casual fan now. I stay up to date on the team and hope they become successfull, but the L's don't really bother me anymore. I prefer it this way.
lol

That's a good way to put it: "detached emotionally"

That has been me for years now. I imagine most people fall into that group. Healthier that way.
 
Toronto has always liked their “meat and potatoes” hockey. Hard working, leave it all on the ice type players and team. This team is not that obviously and seems easy for the fans to turn. Throw in a few public negotiations that favoured the players and it’s made it even easier to turn on them.
This is it exactly.
Lunch pail gang, not boy band.
Until someone understands that identity and builds with the skills of Gilmour/Clark to realize it, it’s just Disney on ice.
 
At least Pakistan got the dub today in very un Pakistan like fashion. Two teams that are oh so darn similar. Both very unpredictable. Both attitude issues at time. Both very exciting to watch. Both can absolutely destroy anyone on their day. Both can lose to the crappiest of opposition. Both can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
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I have been disappointed in this team for a few yrs my heart is with the leafs but the players aren't
I was disappointed when we signed Marleau ( never liked him as a player ) didn't think we needed him at the time. Then we had to give up a 1st rd pk and losing KAppy at the same time..
Signing JT always thought he was an average player and again didn't think we needed him at that time .
Our defense needed to be fixed never was .
Losing Hyman for free was really bad . Always thought his game was improving and this season he is showing us all he has improved again.
Know unless a new GM that takes over trades Mo we will lose him for free

We haven't been that great for 3 yrs and lost assets

If we aren't scoring we suck because defensively we suck.
We never hit anyone to me that is very strange . It shows me this team isnt willing to do the things that win you games in the playoffs .

Our core has been caddled and know they can't figure it out not surprising.

Shanahan has f***ed this up big time , given this much top end talent but never built a team.

Dubas can leave anytime the sooner. The better same with keefe

The only good thing about a rebuild is that JT may say get me out of here.

I was really disappointed when we didn't go after Quennville.

If dubas isnt gone by the deadline we will lose another 1st rd pick and not make the playoffs. When most of us know we aren't that good.

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Ironically for me it was when they were on their way to winning game 4 vs MTL in the playoffs last year that I realized something. This team and franchise had sucked all of the joy out of watching hockey. I messaged my bud during the 3rd period of that game and said that in what should be a happy moment I couldn't even enjoy it because I was just waiting for the bad to happen. A few days later they were out of the playoffs.

Now it is a return on investment thing for me. I can't rationalize investing 3 to 4 nights a week to care about something that doesn't bring me an ounce of entertainment.
 
Ironically for me it was when they were on their way to winning game 4 vs MTL in the playoffs last year that I realized something. This team and franchise had sucked all of the joy out of watching hockey. I messaged my bud during the 3rd period of that game and said that in what should be a happy moment I couldn't even enjoy it because I was just waiting for the bad to happen. A few days later they were out of the playoffs.

Now it is a return on investment thing for me. I can't rationalize investing 3 to 4 nights a week to care about something that doesn't bring me an ounce of entertainment.
Ive taken a different approach than most of my family and friends who feel like you and many others do. First off, I have really lowered or dont really have any expectations of what will or should happen and secondly, for me Ive been watching this soap opera that is the leafs for way too long to not stick around and see what happens. Even last night I was paying attention to who tried to dig deep and who gave up, how Keefe responded, how Dubas looked etc. If you can detach from the outcome, the story line is pretty interesting. What will they do, what will happen next.
 
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Many years ago, I used to both watch the Leafs religiously and post on this forum at a correspondingly prodigious rate. I've always been out of market but I did my best. I didn't grow up in a hockey family and have never lived in Canada, I picked the Maple Leafs as a kid because I had a Canadiens fan friend and I wanted to piss him off; I figured out that trolling him as a Nordiques fan would be less believable because I speak no French.

There were some fun moments, like that 2002 playoff series against the Islanders, but following the team became a drag after the lockout. It became tiresome to watch the team make the same short-sighted mistakes year after year (putting band-aids on wounds that needed reconstructive surgery) and watching the team really became a chore. The Kessel trade and watching Tyler Seguin go to the Bruins made me take a bit of a break; I watched the team on occasion but didn't make it a must-do. It was hard to be emotionally attached to a professional sports team that made me so miserable, and unlike NFL football (which is 1x/week and usually on a weekend) a NHL team plays a shitload of games that take up a ton of your free time.

Anyway, fast forward through the Burke and Nonis eras and eventually around 2015, I start to hear words like "rebuild", "tank", "draft" and "prospects"...words I thought the Maple Leafs didn't believe in but that I was a very strong proponent of. That got me excited, and the highest point was in April of 2016 when they won the draft lottery. I was thrilled, and I believed them when they said they wouldn't try to fast-track things. Well, that's kind of what they did when they moved picks for rentals when they were in no position to do so, but they didn't give up things of extraordinary value so while annoying it wasn't devastating by any stretch. What WAS devastating, however, was the fallout from the contract negotations and signings for Nylander, Matthews and Marner. They not only followed the Muskoka 5 Playbook step-by-step, they wrote their own brand new "upgraded" edition of the playbook. Seeing all that transpire the way it did convinced me that 1) these guys were concerned primarily with their own brand and not with team success; and 2) existing management was unwilling or incapable of making tough decisions. At this point, I'm no longer a kid, I had a family of my own and didn't even remotely have the time to spend on a team that looked like it was heading down the same dumbass paths it had gone down in the past, just with better players. So I started to lose touch with the team years ago, and given the NHL changing into a watered-down league with limited physicality and systems play above all else, I didn't really find NHL hockey very interesting to watch. So, while I never had (and never would) switched teams, I just completely lost touch with the Leafs a few years ago and I feel very fortunate that it happened that way because if I were watching every game at the time the David Ayres thing happened I would have had to go into a mental institution because you 100% knew then and there (if not before) this team would never, ever compete when the going gets tough.

I don't know how you all find the time to watch all these games, and I even more wonder how you are willing to put up with a group of players and management that very clearly do NOT "get it." I salute each and every one of you that still watch this shit. You are far better fans, and probably better people, than I. You are the guys/girls/pronouns that deserve a Cup infinitely more than any Maple Leafs employee. I truly wish that each and every one of you get to experience hockey happiness one day.
 
Its gotta be bad. I've been frustrated with this team in the past, but I always wanted to follow the team and watch their games. But after watching the Leafs for 30 years, this is the first season that I couldnt be bothered to put in an effort to watch them play. I wish I could feel differently, but I'm very apathetic about the Leafs right now.
 
I remember watching Matthews four goals...
I remember seeing the upside of willy and Marner...
I remember watching the Tavares announcement.


My excitement this season is probably lower than the Burke years....

How are you feeling?

Same as in the offseason where I said if they came back with the same core, they could win the President’s Trophy and I’d feel like saying “yeah but wait for the playoffs”

I’m indifferent.

That 7-1 loss is no worse than choking against Montreal. Or tripping over Columbus.

And wins... yeah, I’m saying the same thing... even if it gets me removed from post game threads
 

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