How bad does Pegula look now?

[S319R11S16]

But those immaterial things that improve the players' life are designed to have an impact on changing the perception around the league of the team. He has to start somewhere as he can't outbid other teams for talent in a cap world.

Doesn't mean I have to be greatful for it. They are immaterial items.

When it proves it matters I will applaud him. Until it translates to us landing top of the line guys, I won't.

Bottom line, he extended Darcy and Lindy. They are both keys to this mess and until he realizes that, we probably won't be anywhere near where he promised. A free program isn't going to make the games any more enjoyable than they are right now. A half priced jersey isn't either.

He's blowing wads of cash on things that aren't making an impact on the overall "Reason for this Franchises Existence." Blowing his money on things that aren;t making our hockey team any better won't get many thanks from me.

Sorry. I just don't believe in money buying happiness.

 

[S319R11S16]

Bottom line is ... In your mind, you've given him 2 calendar years for a cup contender as an owner ... He's failed.

Bottom line is ... In my mind, I've waited since the Lafontaine/Mogilny days (when I really started loving hockey) for a cup contender and with solid ownership in place I can be patient to build towards a cup contender. 2 calendar years are too short (for me) to be critically negative of an owner. I am and will be patient before jumping on the "Pegula's a failure" bandwagon.

I'm not the one who set the goal so high.

I'm not saying he's a failure or he won't eventually win here, I'm certainly not on an anti pegula bandwagon. I like his desire to win, his love for the game, and this city. I just think he needs a glass of cold water in the face to wake up and realize where our real issues are at.

All that stuff is great and all but im not going to get all giddy over immaterial items that at the end of the day don't matter to me. That's all.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Doesn't mean I have to be greatful for it. They are immaterial items.

When it proves it matters I will applaud him. Until it translates to us landing top of the line guys, I won't.

Bottom line, he extended Darcy and Lindy. They are both keys to this mess and until he realizes that, we probably won't be anywhere near where he promised. A free program isn't going to make the games any more enjoyable than they are right now. A half priced jersey isn't either.

He's blowing wads of cash on things that aren't making an impact on the overall "Reason for this Franchises Existence." Blowing his money on things that aren;t making our hockey team any better won't get many thanks from me.

Sorry. I just don't believe in money buying happiness.

It takes more than a couple years to turn around the mindset that this team was a farm club for the big boys; that every player once they reached UFA status was going to be jettisoned for a pick as the previous regime wouldn't pay the market rate.

It just seems that you want the video game version of life where you can immediately turn around the team. They could have jettisoned Darcy and Lindy, and you probably still wouldn't have been happy unless they were sitting atop the league's standings after one season.

 

[ZZamboni]

I'm not the one who set the goal so high.

I'm not saying he's a failure or he won't eventually win here, I'm certainly not on an anti pegula bandwagon. I like his desire to win. I just think he needs a glass of cold water in the face to wake up and realize where our real issues are at.

I'm just not getting all giddy over immaterial items that at the end of the day don't matter to me. That's all.

Would you admit that you or I are not part of his discussions with Black, Regier and his hockey advisers? He may, just may be having ongoing conversations on what to do or at the least asking what black and Regier are planning to do. Would you admit that there are timelines that he wants to stick to? Would you admit that summers may be the time he prefers to change, develop, hire, fire, and grow his hockey team? And all the while, not doing it in public?

Maybe .... Right?

 

[S319R11S16]

It takes more than a couple years to turn around the mindset that this team was a farm club for the big boys; that every player once they reached UFA status was going to be jettisoned for a pick as the previous regime wouldn't pay the market rate.

It just seems that you want the video game version of life where you can immediately turn around the team. They could have jettisoned Darcy and Lindy, and you probably still wouldn't have been happy unless they were sitting atop the league's standings after one season.

Not true at all.

 

[SackTastic]

Doesn't mean I have to be greatful for it. They are immaterial items.

When it proves it matters I will applaud him. Until it translates to us landing top of the line guys, I won't.

Bottom line, he extended Darcy and Lindy.

Stopped reading right there.

Those extensions mean nothing. They can be fired tomorrow if Pegula chooses to.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Thats true to a point. He did it once after the first year of the cap system in response to the amount of UFA/RFAs we had. Then as the cap went up we slowly moved away. But he never frontloaded contracts so we were not near the top spenders like we are now. Golisano had a budget for the amount of actual money to be spent and never went above it. Its the reason for us having to make trades every deadline to clear out real salary in order to acquired players. It was roughly the same money out as in at the deadline. Whereas Pegula will spend well beyond the cap in terms of real dollars. In short he spends much more than Golisano did.

I wasn't dumping on Golisanta. He saved the team but yes he was moving away from being at cap and we'd be way below by now. He wasn't losing money on this team. And you are right on front end loaded contracts.
And on Buffalo ticket prices...are you people having fun with this. The season tickets are so cheap it's almost reckless. They should close the gap between season's and box office a tiny bit.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Stopped reading right there.

Those extensions mean nothing. They can be fired tomorrow if Pegula chooses to.

YES, why is this not understood?

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Stopped reading right there.

Those extensions mean nothing. They can be fired tomorrow if Pegula chooses to.

But yet have they been? Or will they? No.

Owners don't give out 5 year extensions to people they will fire soon after. What the 5 year extension showed me was that Darcy is getting 5 years to build a winner and that firing him isn't even an option. And if Pegula won't fire Regier then you know damn well Regier will never fire Ruff. It's just a never ending cycle of mediocrity, Regier is here for the long haul and that means Ruff to. If/When Ruff gets fired then you can get back to me and I'll eat any crow, but I'm not anticipating that happening anytime soon.

 

[AlexanderMogilny89]

But yet have they been? Or will they? No.

Owners don't give out 5 year extensions to people they will fire soon after. What the 5 year extension showed me was that Darcy is getting 5 years to build a winner and that firing him isn't even an option. And if Pegula won't fire Regier then you know damn well Regier will never fire Ruff. It's just a never ending cycle of mediocrity, Regier is here for the long haul and that means Ruff to. If/When Ruff gets fired then you can get back to me and I'll eat any crow, but I'm not anticipating that happening anytime soon.

Pretty much in a nutshell. Pegula doesn't care how long it takes R n R to win a cup. As long as they are the g.m. and coach he is happy. I do not like him for those reasons. He said the Sabres existence was to win a cup. Not R n R to win a cup. IMO he is not doing everything possible to win. He is doing everything possible to let R n R win no matter how long it takes. Actually if that will ever happen. IMO we may be waiting 8 more years. If Darcy is here for 5 more years or 4 or whatever it is and he has remaining on his contract. Then gets fired we are going to have to go through another 3 yr rebuild. Which would be like 8 yrs. That is scary.

 

[Jim Bob]

Pretty much in a nutshell. Pegula doesn't care how long it takes R n R to win a cup. As long as they are the g.m. and coach he is happy. I do not like him for those reasons. He said the Sabres existence was to win a cup. Not R n R to win a cup. IMO he is not doing everything possible to win. He is doing everything possible to let R n R win no matter how long it takes. Actually if that will ever happen. IMO we may be waiting 8 more years. If Darcy is here for 5 more years or 4 or whatever it is and he has remaining on his contract. Then gets fired we are going to have to go through another 3 yr rebuild. Which would be like 8 yrs. That is scary.

I don't believe that is the case at all.

Pegula is more patient than you are. That's all we know for certain right now.

He has the money to wake up tomorrow and eat the rest of Regier's contract. I don't see the extension as a barrier to moving on from Regier with Pegula as the owner.

 

[ZZamboni]

But yet have they been? Or will they? No.

Owners don't give out 5 year extensions to people they will fire soon after. What the 5 year extension showed me was that Darcy is getting 5 years to build a winner and that firing him isn't even an option. And if Pegula won't fire Regier then you know damn well Regier will never fire Ruff. It's just a never ending cycle of mediocrity, Regier is here for the long haul and that means Ruff to. If/When Ruff gets fired then you can get back to me and I'll eat any crow, but I'm not anticipating that happening anytime soon.

We have a Soothsayer here. Cool.






Talk about drama queen. My god.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'll still take Pegula over 2/3 of the other owners in the NHL today.

 

[AlexanderMogilny89]

I don't believe that is the case at all.

Pegula is more patient than you are. That's all we know for certain right now.

He has the money to wake up tomorrow and eat the rest of Regier's contract. I don't see the extension as a barrier to moving on from Regier with Pegula as the owner.

I hope you are correct. I truly hope Pegula can at least recognize when it is time to let R n R go. IMO next year should be the max amount of time to know if they can get it done or not. How many years do you see him allowing R n R to get to where they need to be as a team before he is fed up and knowing it is time to move on?

 

[Jim Bob]

I hope you are correct. I truly hope Pegula can at least recognize when it is time to let R n R go. IMO next year should be the max amount of time to know if they can get it done or not. How many years do you see him allowing R n R to get to where they need to be as a team before he is fed up and knowing it is time to move on?

I have no idea.

He obviously loves Ruff as a coach. But how many offseasons can he give Regier free reign and the team continue to flounder?

Pegula has more patience than I do. But, that patience has to wear thin eventually.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

This thread is mind boggling. The odds of getting a billionaire oner who doesn't care about the bottom line, IN BUFFALO, are low. Pray he stays healthy. Pegula money increases our odds. Things can go wrong but I'll go with odds of wealthy owner willing to spend, thank you.

 

[S319R11S16]

I don't believe that is the case at all.

Pegula is more patient than you are. That's all we know for certain right now.

He has the money to wake up tomorrow and eat the rest of Regier's contract. I don't see the extension as a barrier to moving on from Regier with Pegula as the owner.

Doesn't mean he will.

Its all a word game. 5 year contract apparently doesn't mean anything to some of you. Until Pegula decides to actually ditch one.or both of them, it means they are in charge of this organization.

Ive said it a million times. Id almost bet my house that Pegula blamed ONLY ownership for.our past failures. IMO he felt that if he came in with his bags of cash he.could turn Regier and Ruff into winners. I dont see them going anywhere anytime.soon. i see the 5 years as a reward and a commitment to them. Some of you guys think diffetently but I won't be swayed that easily.

 

[S319R11S16]

Stopped reading right there.

Those extensions mean nothing. They can be fired tomorrow if Pegula chooses to.

Doesn't mean they will.

 

[vcv]

Doesn't mean they will.

Over and over here, the point is "doesn't mean he won't". He has the wherewithal to change his mind on a dime and not lose any sleep over it. Not many NHL owners have that comfort.

 

[S319R11S16]

Over and over here, the point is "doesn't mean he won't". He has the wherewithal to change his mind on a dime and not lose any sleep over it. Not many NHL owners have that comfort.

Is that why there have been 170 fired coaches since Lindy took over?

 

[start winnin]

If Pegula doesn't fire Regier or Ruff after this year, I don't give a **** how much money he pours into this franchise, we will waddle in mediocrity.

 

[Jim Bob]

Is that why there have been 170 fired coaches since Lindy took over?

And how many have been fired since Pegula took over?

 

[start winnin]

And how many have been fired since Pegula took over?

Wild, Panthers, Devils, Capitals, Oilers, Ducks, Toronto, Montreal, Senators, Jets, Hurricanes, Kings, Flames, Stars have all changed coaches since Pegula has been hired. That's 14 teams, all whose coaches were not given nearly as much as time Ruff has been given to turn this **** franchise into a winner.

Get a ****ing clue, only Buffalo fans would be comfortable with mediocrity.

 

[S319R11S16]

I dunnoh why everyone feel that Darcy and Lindy deserved fresh starts since Pegula took over. Teams are mostly built through the draft and these guys have had how many drafts to build their teams? At one time or another in the last season and a half we've been dead last in the league. Pegula has given them their chance to turn this around and they haven't. They shouldn't need 5 years to turn around a team they built themselves. Giving out 5 year extensions are ridiculous. This is THEIR team. It shouldn't take 5 years to contend and it surely shouldn't take 2-3 to fight for 8th if these guys are SO amazing at what they do.

Its time for Pegula to ditch them both. If he doesn't then nothing he is doing is going to matter.

 

[ZZamboni]

Stop winnin ... Pegula wasn't hired.

S31 ... Everyone doesn't feel Darcy and Lindy deserve fresh starts. Pegula thinks they deserved a look at what they can do since he bought the team. No drama. No conspiracy. No whining. No crying. No excuses. No lies. You disagree with his opinion? Fine. You don't own the team. You don't like it so so so much? You don't like how the team has been handled the past two calendar years? Root for a different owner/team. You'll be happier.