How bad does Pegula look now?

[ZZamboni]

S31 ... I understand frustration. Every Sabres fan feels frustrated to different degrees. If your sick of waiting for something to happen, if your sick of the losing, if your sick of the coach, the GM, the owner, the drive from Rochester etc...

If you have truly, honestly have reached your limit (beyond blowing off steam on a hockey forum) then you know what you need to do...


Simply.
Move.
On.

And never look back with no regrets.

29 other fan bases would love for you to jump aboard.

 

[sabrefan27]

But here's the disconnect that everyone misses. The hockey operation drives the business operation. You don't think Pegula knows that his on ice product is or will eventually hurt his business operation?

I would certainly hope so. Which begs the question, when will he stop accepting the status quo and the mediocrity that the R&R bring?

 

[SackTastic]

No one is questioning his business sense. The Sabres will be a well oiled machine (pun intended, I guess) when it comes to the business end with him and Black.

Unfortunately, the hockey side is a disaster and he's shown no ability to make the hard decisions. Regier isn't going to fire Ruff (my opinion). That's when the owner steps in. Or he has Black do it.

That's false.

You don't know what decisions he has or had not made to date, or will have to make in the future.

 

[ZZamboni]

That's false.

You don't know what decisions he has or had not made to date, or will have to make in the future.

Exactly. These big grand all encompassing statements are just chock full of ignorance. So annoying. They know better, yet say it anyway.

 

[S319R11S16]

S31 ... I understand frustration. Every Sabres fan feels frustrated to different degrees. If your sick of waiting for something to happen, if your sick of the losing, if your sick of the coach, the GM, the owner, the drive from Rochester etc...

If you have truly, honestly have reached your limit (beyond blowing off steam on a hockey forum) then you know what you need to do...


Simply.
Move.
On.

And never look back with no regrets.

29 other fan bases would love for you to jump aboard.

Switch teams?

Sorry. I'm not one of those. I just want someone to ****ing care about how bad we suck. I want more people to talk like Miller talked last night then I want something to be done about it. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[stokes84]

That's false.

You don't know what decisions he has or had not made to date, or will have to make in the future.

Exactly. These big grand all encompassing statements are just chock full of ignorance. So annoying. They know better, yet say it anyway.

And these are cop outs, which are similarly annoying. The previous poster said that he hasn't "shown the ability" to make the hard decisions. Showing would be public. He has not publicly made a hard decision. It's a fair criticism.

 

[SackTastic]

And these are cop outs, which are similarly annoying. The previous poster said that he hasn't "shown the ability" to make the hard decisions. Showing would be public. He has not publicly made a hard decision. It's a fair criticism.

Not really.

The argument being presented here is that because Pegula hasn't fired anyone on the fan's timetable, that he'll never fire anyone ever.

It's a vapid argument.

 

[ZZamboni]

Switch teams?

Sorry. I'm not one of those. I just want someone to ****ing care about how bad we suck. I want more people to talk like Miller talked last night then I want something to be done about it. Is that too much to ask for?

Well players talking that way, and owners and presidents taking that way are two different things. It seems you want an owner and president that goes out in public and drops F bombs or at the very least calls out GM's, coaches and players in an embarrassing way.


Is that normal in other sports? I can't recall many owners or presidents of sports franchises doing that. It is done behind closed doors without fans knowing it. So put your mind there (if you can) and see what may happen this summer. That's where I'm at at least.

 

[sabrefan27]

That's false.

You don't know what decisions he has or had not made to date, or will have to make in the future.

I know what decisions he has made to date: Keeping the same coach and GM that have been here for well over a decade, haven't produced a championship and haven't produced a playoff series win since 2007. So yes, in my mind, he hasn't shown the ability to make the decisions he needs to.

This must be some weird bizarro world. I have to defend myself for calling out the owner, president etc. for not axing the two men who are overseeing this disaster? The same GM that let Briere and Drury go? The same GM that gave Leino that hideous contract? The same coach whose players call him out?

These clowns have been in Buffalo since I was in 6th ******* grade. I'm now almost nearing my 10 year high school reunion. And they're still here with nothing to show for it. And I have to hear people defend anyone associated with it? It's insanity. And no, I'm not going to go just cheer for another team. The Sabres are my team, and I will most certainly call anyone out who is responsible for this mess. Pegula is included in that.

 

[stokes84]

Not really.

The argument being presented here is that because Pegula hasn't fired anyone on the fan's timetable, that he'll never fire anyone ever.

It's a vapid argument.

We don't know if he will or he won't, but he's certainly had the green light to fire on a few occasions and hasn't acted. What you hear from the GM and the President publicly is that firing the coach is beyond a last resort. Until we see a change, this is the only view we have to judge on.

 

[ZZamboni]

Are some fans that shallow as to think if it doesn't happen in public, it's not happening?

There's no way fans can think that... Right?


I mean, you have to realize it is a possibility it actually may be happening out of the public eye. Is that understood? Is that even considered?

 

[SackTastic]

We don't know if he will or he won't, but he's certainly had the green light to fire on a few occasions and hasn't acted. What you hear from the GM and the President publicly is that firing the coach is beyond a last resort. Until we see a change, this is the only view we have to judge on.

He's the owner. He has a permanent green light.

 

[sabrefan27]

Are some fans that shallow as to think if it doesn't happen in public, it's not happening?

There's no way fans can think that... Right?


I mean, you have to realize it is a possibility it actually may be happening out of the public eye. Is that understood? Is that even considered?

What? What is happening? Is Pegula shaking his finger at Ruff and giving him a stern talking to? Is this serious?

 

[stokes84]

Are some fans that shallow as to think if it doesn't happen in public, it's not happening?

There's no way fans can think that... Right?


I mean, you have to realize it is a possibility it actually may be happening out of the public eye. Is that understood? Is that even considered?

True. Maybe we'll show up to the next game and there will be a new coach behind the bench and a new GM will be on with WGR because they did it behind closed doors.

 

[ZZamboni]

True. Maybe we'll show up to the next game and there will be a new coach behind the bench and a new GM will be on with WGR because they did it behind closed doors.

Probably summer is when I would expect, Yes, expect one or both things to happen. I personally will be surprised if one OR both things don't happen before September. Until then, the suffering continues. And you or I won't know about all the talks (or non talks) that happened thru the days, weeks, months or years leading up to it. Deal with it. (I know you won't )

 

[stokes84]

Probably summer is when I would expect, Yes, expect one or both things to happen. I personally will be surprised if one OR both things don't happen before September. Until then, the suffering continues. And you or I won't know about all the talks (or non talks) that happened thru the days, weeks, months or years leading up to it. Deal with it.

The hard decision is to do it now. The easy decision is to wait, IMO. Therefore, the criticism would still stand.

 

[SackTastic]

The hard decision is to do it now. The easy decision is to wait, IMO. Therefore, the criticism would still stand.

Firing a coach or GM is a hard decision no matter when it happens.

 

[vcv]

The hard decision is to do it now. The easy decision is to wait, IMO. Therefore, the criticism would still stand.

Why? What makes it harder to do now?

My guess is they would do it after the season out of respect, nothing to do with hard or easy.

 

[sabrefan27]

Firing a coach or GM is a hard decision no matter when it happens.

It's difficult because you are telling two men with families that they lost their job. It's not, however, hard to come to the conclusion that their time in Buffalo should be up.

 

[ZZamboni]

The hard decision is to do it now. The easy decision is to wait, IMO. Therefore, the criticism would still stand.

That's your opinion. Which is fine.

My opinion.

The hard decision is to stay the course this season (whatever that is, I'm not going to be an idiot and claim to know what that course is, like some love to do). At the end of the season evaluate and act. In my opinion, making decisions based solely on fan pressure is the easy thing to do. Two calendar years this month. Another two months to evaluate is not the end of the universe

 

[S319R11S16]

Why? What makes it harder to do now?

My guess is they would do it after the season out of respect, nothing to do with hard or easy.

Which is pathetic IMO.

You have 3 guys carrying this team; all of which are up after next season.

Show them you mean business now as opposed to just waiting because its the respectful thing to do.

 

[SackTastic]

It's difficult because you are telling two men with families that they lost their job. It's not, however, hard to come to the conclusion that their time in Buffalo should be up.

And it's very possible that conclusion has already been reached. You don't know that.

Again, it's the same basic premise. People are pissed that Pegula didn't fire people when THEY wanted them fired.

 

[S319R11S16]

And it's very possible that conclusion has already been reached. You don't know that.

Again, it's the same basic premise. People are pissed that Pegula didn't fire people when THEY wanted them fired.

So we have no right to be pissed off because Pegula "May have already made his mind up already" but the team still stands as it was.

Games are going by, the team isn't responding and everything is still the same.

So us fans are supposed to stay status quo until the offseason when apparently is the only time to let a coach go?

 

[SackTastic]

So we have no right to be pissed off because Pegula "May have already made his mind up already" but the team still stands as it was.

Games are going by, the team isn't responding and everything is still the same.

So us fans are supposed to stay status quo until the offseason when apparently is the only time to let a coach go?

"Us fans" have two options.

1. Consume the product.
2. Don't consume the product.

You can complain all you want, but those are your real choices.

 

[Clock]

And these are cop outs, which are similarly annoying. The previous poster said that he hasn't "shown the ability" to make the hard decisions. Showing would be public. He has not publicly made a hard decision. It's a fair criticism.

If Pegula had directly made any public hockey decisions this thread would be about how Pegula shouldn't be making hockey decisions. In the meantime, we do know that he's made the oft-glossed over multi-million dollar investments into the team, the arena, and even the area.

I'm not saying Pegula is above criticism, but the conjecture about him not doing anything because we can't see anything yet yet is unfounded. We're all pissed, but logic should factor into this.