ZZamboni
Puttin' on the Foil
But but but Vanek could be sooooo much better if Ruff didn't ruin him
But but but Vanek succeeded IN SPITE of Ruff being his coach
Month of termination ... prediction ... May
How bad does Pegula look now?
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But but but Vanek could be sooooo much better if Ruff didn't ruin him
But but but Vanek succeeded IN SPITE of Ruff being his coach
Month of termination ... prediction ... May
McCauleyChirps
Gare's "Partner"
But but but Vanek could be sooooo much better if Ruff didn't ruin him
But but but Vanek succeeded IN SPITE of Ruff being his coach
Month of termination ... prediction ... May
I'm going with the day after the season ends. Which would be Saturday, April 27th.
ZZamboni
Puttin' on the Foil
Oh snap! Right down to the day!
Calling your shot. Only 24 hour window prediction. Bold.
McCauleyChirps
Gare's "Partner"
If you're interested in some mildly uncomfortable television, here is Ted Black's interview with Gleason on Bucky's TBN TV show:
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres...t-ted-black-interviewed-by-bucky-gleason.html
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres...t-ted-black-interviewed-by-bucky-gleason.html
Zman5778
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I can't stand to listen to Bucky, much less read him.
Can you give me a cliff's notes version? Please?
vcv
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Shockingly, I didn't mind that interview. Thought BG asked good questions and wasn't a ****** about it.
BG: Team is off to a terrible start, what's the mood like there (front office)?
TB: Business side, we're focused.
BG: Complaints don't have to do with the business side. Concern is on-ice product, not good enough. What should be done?
TB: Win more hockey game games.
BG: Obviously, but are there moves or changes that can be made? Or stick with status quo?
TB: It hasn't been status quo. Darcy has ability to do things he hadn't been able to do before. Darcy has those resources and you're going to see him apply them.
BG: Results haven't been there, missed the playoffs last year. Do you not have the right players? Not have the right coach? You can't have the right players and the right coach and tell me 11th through 15th is ok.
TB: It's probably a little bit of everything, everyone needs to do better. Good is not good enough. It's on ice that has to translate.
BG: Are you convinced this team will turn it around on it's own? We've seen it in the past in flashes, but not long enough to make the playoffs. Are you convinced you have the right people?
TB: I don't know the answer to that. If there's an opportunity to improve with a player transaction, Darcy has free reign. It takes two to tango, I wish I could pull back the curtain and show people the type of transactions we've tried to make. No one reports on the deals that didn't get done, nor should they.
BG: What did Darcy do to earn the extension? Usually there is concrete evidence of earning it.
TB: Look at the player transactions. He's using the resources. It's not translating on the ice, that's tough. Extension is affirmation that we trust the job he is doing right now.
BG: What message does that send to players, that Darcy and Lindy are still in place?
TB: Players voted to practice on an off-day. If the players wanted to send a message that they're not in tune to what we're doing, they could have not done that. I don't see that.
BG: I think that's an easy vote when you're struggling. You better say say.
TB: If you want to send a message to your coach, it's pretty easy to do.
BG: 170 coaching changes made since Lindy. You came from the penguins, the year they won the cup, they won after firing their coach. Chicago won the cup the year after making a change. You've been other teams do it. Has that thought ever crossed your mind?
TB: I support our coach. I won't undermine our coach. I don't want anyone to take that as I don't have an opinion. But If I have an opinion, I'll take my constructive criticism, I will bring it up internally, and that's what I'm going to do.
BG: Is there a breaking point? What is it?
TB: Everyone has one. But it's not something that should be a public answer.
BG: You need a surge to make the playoffs. Do you have faith it can be done?
TB: The thought of not making the playoffs so many years over the next 10 makes me want to vomit. Our goal needs to be we make the playoffs every year.
BG: One of the criticisms of Terry was because he was a big fan, sometimes it has gotten in the way and worked against him. Is that possible?
TB: I cried when my children were born, but I don't cry every day I see them. I'm not so infatuated with them that I don't discipline them either. The "just a fan" label is somewhat orwellian and it's not fair. Terry didn't make his money by making bad decisions. He's a very patient person but he wants to win.
BG: So Terry does take a cold hard look at things?
TB: Absolutely he does
BG: I'm wondering if he does that, how can he come to the conclusions he's come up with? Are you getting the very best guy for these jobs? Is Darcy the best guy? I think if you asked around the league, people would beg to differ, would argue that there are other people are the absolute best.
TB: You have a new boss. Did he/she come in and clean house, get rid of people that have been here a while? No. Terry is empowering these people. People are encouraged to make mistakes. If Ville Leino turns out to be a mistake, no ones head is going to get chopped off. That's a winning culture. The winning culture always takes place before the winning.
BG: People have been patient. They've run out of it. How long do people have to wait before we see real results?
TB: I wish I had the answer. Winning culture comes, then the winning. It's hard to tell people to be patient. I did it last year and I heard it. What a stupid thing for me to say, and disrespectful.
Old Navy Goat
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I think you missed one of the most important quotes:
BG: Can you explain how Lindy and Darcy still have a job?
TB: Can you explain how you haven't been fired yet, since you've done a worse job than either of them?
BG: Can you explain how Lindy and Darcy still have a job?
TB: Can you explain how you haven't been fired yet, since you've done a worse job than either of them?
Stupid Buffalo media asks Ted Black if the fans should be mad, which is a good question, but the follow up question to, "were doing everything we can", should have been, "like what, can you throw us a couple ideas or are they all top secret?". Maybe Ted Black can be the next Mitt Romney. "Trust me, I can do it, I have no proof or examples, but you're just going to have to believe me". We all know how it worked out for Mitt, unfortunately, Ted will have a lifetime free pass, because the fans in Buffalo apparently have no say whatsoever. Maybe they(we) shouldn't have been so eager to go out and gobble up those season tickets, eh?
Dixon Ward
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the coincidence of this quote and the ville leino thread being posted on the same day cracked me up.
I'm seriously hoping "encouraged" is either a typo, or just him using the wrong word, because he was feeling the heat. If not, I wonder if he "encourages" his kids to make mistakes, too, or is it strictly a professional theory?
Zman5778
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People learn from their mistakes.
People that live in fear of making a mistake turn out making more mistakes.
Encouraging people to make mistakes is like culture change 101. It proves to subordinates and employees that they don't have to be afraid to fail. You can't just say that to them either, it has to be proven, which is why mistakes are encouraged. It's not a tactic that gets applied forever, just long enough to show people you're not going to fire them for mistakes. It goes along with his comment about building the winning culture before the winning actually begins.
Ya, ok. I get the principle, but it sure sounds like it breeds a losing culture to me. The whole premise of capitalism(supposedly Ted and Terry's strong suit) is that if you make mistakes, we'll find someone who makes less of them. "We'll coddle ya Darcy, and give you the keys to the Ferrari", then all of a sudden one day, we're just gonna tell you that was one mistake too many? Lame. Darcy Regier hasn't done anything under these guys to warrant an extension. He's made some mistakes apparently(if the on ice product is any indicator).
vcv
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You're missing the point. The whole idea is if mistakes aren't being made, that means they aren't taking any risks. Risks is what Terry wants Darcy to take, or you're not going to get very far.
They're not saying "make as many mistakes as you want".
Darcy had been a pro long before Terry and Ted came along, so he didn't need them to help him feel more comfortable.
Also, I think it's a bit naive to think he actually did just get the keys to the Ferrari handed to him. All Darcy's decisions weren't just backed by them, they were certainly pre-approved.
joshjull
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You're still not getting this.
In Pegula's mind Darcy and Lindy started at zero when he took over. They were going to be evaluated going forward on how they do with the type of financial support Pegula can give them. They also are going to be given the freedom to make their own decisions and won't get hammered if they make mistakes. The decisions they are making are not pre-approved by Pegula. If they were, then the statement that they are free to make mistakes makes absolutely no sense because they wouldn't be the ones making the decisions.
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see you say you get it but then the rest of your post is you proving you don't get it. With great risk comes 2 things; The Cup and failure. Don't be so afraid of 1 that you never get the other. Teams make mistakes and still win the cup, no ones perfect. The only way to be perfect is minimize the risk, welcome back to the Golisano era.
I'm not saying they're Dan Snyder, but I'm also not saying T&T heard about it on Sportscenter during coffee the next day.
A board can and will veto any GM decision, whether they admit they would to the public or not. They'd be horrible businessmen if they didn't.
A board can and will veto any GM decision, whether they admit they would to the public or not. They'd be horrible businessmen if they didn't.
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Neither Ted nor Terry 1) know enough about player personnel to have any say besides what color ink to sign in 2) this isn't Microsoft, it's the player department of a NHL franchise. The GM makes the desiscions and all Ted and Terry do is ask themselves if this holds to their vision of the franchise. If it doesn't you fire the GM. No one is vetoing anything.
In the Golisano era Darcy had to answer for every move he made. He was cautious because he had to be. 1 bust set the franchise back seasons because of lost playoff revenue. Under TP it's Darcy's roster and he handles it as he sees fit. Now he can afford to throw money at Leino and have it fail. He can trade his top prospect, he can trade for rights then have the dollars to close a deal and what's more Ted and Terry have told him they believe in his vision of this team and yes have trusted him with the keys. Either he brings the car home and we parade down main street or he totals it. Either way the Sabres future is in Darcy's hands.
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Actually I think this IS a major problem. Say I am a cook and people no longer like the food I have been making for 15 years, except for one person.
The kitchen manager LOVES my food and is also my best friend and there isn't a thing in the world the would make him want to fire me. Not to mention that everyone knows this, and everyone knows that he is a decent kitchen manager except for his unconditional loyalty to me and my cooking style, which is making the whole restaurant worse because im still here.
The ONLY way to keep the decent KITCHEN MANAGER and get rid of me is if the owner of the restaurant forces him to fire me, or fies me himself, because after all I am not making this restaurant the top restaurant in Buffalo, which our owner has sworn to do by any means necessary. And since our own has become rich running other types of businesses, he seems like the type of man who would be able to make that tough decision and let me go, but he also has a soft spot for this restaurant since he has eaten here over the years and he is having trouble doing what needs to be done.
so yes, pegula IS becoming a problem, he is caring more about nostalgia and friendship than anything, which would be fine if he didn't swear outright that our only purpose was to win the cup.
vcv
Registered User
********. It has nothing to do with nostalgia or friendship. It's quite simple actually.
Terry is an extremely patient guy, and he has faith in Darcy and Lindy.
It's nothing more than that. You don't have to like it, as many won't, but it is what it is.
I'm sorry folks but people in Buffalo need to kiss Mr. Pegula's behind. I'm sick of Ruff too but if the billionaire wants to give him extra time, live with it. The reality is Pegula is going to spend to the cap on a regular basis and keep your ticket prices affordable. Long-term it gives the team a better chance though you can screw that up. If you can find a better owner out there for a cash-strapped town like Buffalo, please let me know. It's the harsh truth.. Get the wrong owner and that team could be in Hamilton overnight.
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Are you kidding? Tons of billionaires would jump at the chance of buying and keeping the Sabres in an economically-depressed, dying city where the leading export is Buffalonians. Fire Pegula!
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