How are you feeling about Tavares these days?

[Mess]

Lost track over the All Star break, is his pointless streak still going?

Nope .. 1 goal/ point his last 10 games as he scored in the last Jets game.

What excellent return on investment value the Leafs are getting from that $11 mil contract .

 

[ACC1224]

Nope .. 1 goal/ point his last 10 games as he scored in the last Jets game.

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What excellent return on investment value the Leafs are getting from that $11 mil contract .

Right, forgot about that goal.

I think he gets a couple points tonight.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Lost track over the All Star break, is his pointless streak still going?

No - he scored on a deflection on the PP last game - he now has one point in his last 10 games.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Nope .. 1 goal/ point his last 10 games as he scored in the last Jets game.

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What excellent return on investment value the Leafs are getting from that $11 mil contract .

But look how many shots he's getting. Surely they are high danger chances and he's just getting unlucky

 

[notDatsyuk]

But look how many shots he's getting. Surely they are high danger chances and he's just getting unlucky

He's always been a shoot-first guy (second only to Matty since he arrived). The problem lately is that he's not getting into the good locations (except on the PP), so the 'danger' of scoring isn't as high.

Also, I think last year and even more this year, with him slowing down, Nylander is shooting more instead of waiting to set him up.

His second season (09-10) was the only other time he didn't scored at least half of his goals with a wrist shot. That year 20% were on tip-ins (except for that year, his average is about 9%). This year he has more goals on tip-ins than wrist shots, and they account for almost 40% of his total.

 

[ACC1224]

Right, forgot about that goal.

I think he gets a couple points tonight.

Yep

 

[notDatsyuk]

He should not see the ice again except on the PP.

In his last 21 games he has zero goals and two assists at 5-on-5.

Tip-ins now account for 43% of his goals this year.

 

[ZEBROA]

I am feelin third line. We need to start surrounding Nylander with players that are faster. Dont throw away his potential to be kind to Tavares. And switch Roberts with Bertuzzi for a while.

Sometimes you need to trust players the most when they deserve it the least. Give Nylander something to work with , not "treading water" Tavares.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Damn didn't realize he was this cold lately. He started season well is he playing hurt or just in slump?

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Obviously we're not going to demote him to the third line or it would've happened by now. Why not try him on Matthews' wing. Then either slide Domi up or Willy over.

 

[ZEBROA]

Obviously we're not going to demote him to the third line or it would've happened by now. Why not try him on Matthews' wing. Then either slide Domi up or Willy over.

No but we will happily demote Nylander to third line, no questions asked. Wait and see. I wish Keefe had the gutz.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Looked reenergized last night. Hopefully this is the start of a hot streak.
Has been getting a bunch of chances, but really snakebitten this year; converting at half the expected rate.

 

[GoonieFace]

Tavares always looks better when other players are not up to game speed. Heard this nonsense earlier in the year as well. Fact is, he’s too slow and his shots either hit the goalie square in the chest or miss the net. He will look good for about a week now with the break, than will vanish again

 

[mjd1001]

When you sign a guy in his mid to late 20s to a long-term deal.... This is what you're going to get at the back end of the contract. There's no way around it. Nylander will be the same just a few years down the road.

One point in the last 10 games is truly awful, but I don't think he's "done". I feel that when a lot of players start to age in their production goes down, it doesn't go down. In a straight line. You will have peaks and valleys in a given season. This is one of the valleys for him.

Barring injury, I expect him to play much much better the rest of the season, he'll come out of this. He just won't be at the same level He was 3 to 5 years ago

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Tavares has reached the no sign zone for me

It doesn’t matter what he wants we shouldn’t bring him back, he’s been utterly useless this year and was basically the same except for pp last year. He can’t play top 6 Center and he’s not good defensively either so I don’t want him in the bottom 6.

reinvest the 11m completely elsewhere, I wouldn’t take him back for 4 or 5 million. I don’t see a top 9 player in 2-3 years with him, his speed has fallen below the bar and he can’t utilize his shot at all. He’s an ok playmaker but he can’t be stapled to the core 3 so those numbers will go down

 

[notDatsyuk]

Obviously we're not going to demote him to the third line or it would've happened by now. Why not try him on Matthews' wing. Then either slide Domi up or Willy over.

What do you have against Matthews?

No but we will happily demote Nylander to third line, no questions asked. Wait and see. I wish Keefe had the gutz.

If they put Nylander on the third line, it will be the de facto second line.

 

[Stephen]

Tavares has reached the no sign zone for me

It doesn’t matter what he wants we shouldn’t bring him back, he’s been utterly useless this year and was basically the same except for pp last year. He can’t play top 6 Center and he’s not good defensively either so I don’t want him in the bottom 6.

reinvest the 11m completely elsewhere, I wouldn’t take him back for 4 or 5 million. I don’t see a top 9 player in 2-3 years with him, his speed has fallen below the bar and he can’t utilize his shot at all. He’s an ok playmaker but he can’t be stapled to the core 3 so those numbers will go down

The Tavares experience is quite stale. Like last night he looked okay, had a goal and an assist, and yet when I think about the ups and downs to his game, his 5 on 5 issues and the idea of signing him to any contract beginning in 2025-26? That feels like a “no for me dawg.”

 

[Larcos_Unal]

He should not see the ice again except on the PP.

In his last 21 games he has zero goals and two assists at 5-on-5.

Tip-ins now account for 43% of his goals this year.

Mother of god

Tavares has reached the no sign zone for me

It doesn’t matter what he wants we shouldn’t bring him back, he’s been utterly useless this year and was basically the same except for pp last year. He can’t play top 6 Center and he’s not good defensively either so I don’t want him in the bottom 6.

reinvest the 11m completely elsewhere, I wouldn’t take him back for 4 or 5 million. I don’t see a top 9 player in 2-3 years with him, his speed has fallen below the bar and he can’t utilize his shot at all. He’s an ok playmaker but he can’t be stapled to the core 3 so those numbers will go down

100% agree
He's not good enough to be a #2 C, too slow to be a #3 C, not garbage enough to be a #4 C...he's in no man's land

 

[authentic]

Mother of god


100% agree
He's not good enough to be a #2 C, too slow to be a #3 C, not garbage enough to be a #4 C...he's in no man's land

He’s a powerplay specialist who doesn’t even look all that special on the powerplay.

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs captain John Tavares fighting Canada’s tax agency over $8M it claims he owes

Toronto Maple Leafs captain John Tavares fights to keep more than $8 million in taxes and interest the government says the star forward owes

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Fight the good fight Johnny!

 

[613Leafer]

It was a great story of a star player from Toronto coming home to play for the Leafs in his prime. Plenty of players have had that opportunity, but very very few take it (at least if we're talking about legit top line talent).

However, we always knew the final ~1-3 years of the contract wouldn't look great, but the hope was we would go on some legit runs in the first ~4-6 years of the contract.

That hasn't gone to plan though, and there are very valid criticisms that signing him (when we had Matthews/Kadri down the middle) was the wrong move at the wrong time, and that we should have focused on better depth and defencemen.

Additionally, I'm pretty confident Tavares signed at 11M really set our internal cap structure, and contributed significantly to the difficult negotiations we've had with our other core four forwards.

So overall, none of the above is Tavares' fault, but I think the signing hasnt worked out quite as planned (though I do think he individually has lived up to realistic expectations you could have had of him up to this point).

 

[Metroid]

Trudeau is doing us a huge favor, maybe he waives his NTC now . /s

 

[arso40]

Gotta try willie in the middle he looked good in the dots get him off The line with the grinders try him with Robertson and the gregor guy put domi with matthews and knies with jt but doubt any of this happens fours the coach already

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

It was a great story of a star player from Toronto coming home to play for the Leafs in his prime. Plenty of players have had that opportunity, but very very few take it (at least if we're talking about legit top line talent).

However, we always knew the final ~1-3 years of the contract wouldn't look great, but the hope was we would go on some legit runs in the first ~4-6 years of the contract.

That hasn't gone to plan though, and there are very valid criticisms that signing him (when we had Matthews/Kadri down the middle) was the wrong move at the wrong time, and that we should have focused on better depth and defencemen.

Additionally, I'm pretty confident Tavares signed at 11M really set our internal cap structure, and contributed significantly to the difficult negotiations we've had with our other core four forwards.

So overall, none of the above is Tavares' fault, but I think the signing hasnt worked out quite as planned (though I do think he individually has lived up to realistic expectations you could have had of him up to this point).

We are supposed to have a Cup already. We signed this guy when he was 27. JT is innocent, it's a Leaf fail.

 

[Fogelhund]

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Leafs captain John Tavares fighting Canada’s tax agency over $8M it claims he owes​