This is SO true .. 10M Leaf fans across Canada tune out when they are out .. da TV numbers drop OFF a cliff every playoffs once Leafs are gone
Post-Game Talk: Holl and Keefe hand Tampa the victory
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Every team that has one the cup has to rely on getting a few breaks and bounces along rhe way.
They also need to play better than the Leafs have for a big part of the series
Egghead1999
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First of all, to where? Besides unlike McDavid, Eichel or Draisaitl, Leafs try to build a very good supporting cast around the core every year, especially this year. They cannot at least reach ECF this year, that is on him. If I were him, I would at least reach 2nd round before I leave. Who wants to be labelled a choker (0-12)?
Which would still be better then the Burke era. The Lou era, the Nonis era, the JFJ era.
There has been a lot of futility.
Life is hard. Celebrate the little things!
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I'd call Vassy shitting the bed in the first 4 games and missing their 3rd best dman for all but 11 minutes of the series, a pretty good break.
Maybe, but were approaching a decade of failure with this core. If they cant win a round, they cant win a cup either and that core will need to be reworked. Even if it means a step back for a year or more
Rob Brown
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If we lose this series I'm honestly fine trading all of Matthews, Nylander, and Marner before their deals expire, and then don't re-sign Tavares.
I know that sounds dramatic but you're right, it's been almost 10 years since the rebuild really started and we drafted Nylander and it's been complete failure.
He clearly didn't. Someone on reddit posted the zoomed in gif, the top of the blade came under the arm and hit him the chin.
People thinking he faked it is absurd.
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Look at Florida, they took a step back this year but I think they positioned very well for success in the next few years.
Rob Brown
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Except they blew their load last year and have no picks or notable prospects. I actually don't think they're set up that well at all, but that's just my opinion.
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I hate to break it to you, but the chances of winning a cup with this core is already zero.
Of course that's not true - anything can happen, even this year... But that goes for your statement as well: How does trading away some/all of the top players mean they automatically have no chance at a Cup for ten years, at least? Such absolutes are nonsensical, especially when entirely based on speculation.
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If a zoomed up gif if is needed it's not hard to see why the refs didn't call it.
Suntouchable13
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Ok, you're quite possibly right. I like what they did in the off season, I thought they look good for future success, might be wrong on that. Time will tell.
Rob Brown
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For sure, the Tkachuk trade turned out great for them. I just mean beyond the next few years I don't think they have a ton waiting in the wings and have no draft capital at all - no 1st in 2023, 2024, or 2025 - so their long term outlook is pretty dire.
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OTHO, if you bet against the Leafs; I mean, in some ways, Leafs must win enough games to adv.
I'd say by any objective measure the supporting cast is good enough and it has been for years. This team has the talent, we wouldn't hate them for their failure so much if they weren't great. Dubas can't win a series? Neither can Marner, Matthews, or Nylander and they've been around longer than he has and they're the ones actually playing the games and getting paid to deliver, but coming up short.
This idea that finding the right fourth line or third pair is what will make the difference is such a ridiculous lie that we tell ourselves. The problems start and end with our key guys not being able to get it done. They're not leaders and they're not killers, and we shouldn't need Scotty Bowman and Sam Pollock for this team to win.
If we lose this series, I don't care if they bring Dubas back. It's the core that needs to be blown up.
The thing that really struck me last night is how poorly they exit the D zone. I'm not sure of the right words to describe it other than to say there is a "deliberateness" that is lacking. And this is when they do have a moment to make a decision.
The clearing attempts are too often weak and rushed instead of simple and confident.
The clearing attempts are too often weak and rushed instead of simple and confident.
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After watching the Lightning play "clean" last night with no cheap-shot intimidation stuff (eg. they left McCabe alone after his hard but fair bodychecks), their players are growing on me. They give everything they have from the opening whistle to simply try to win. No hesitancy and no fear in their on-ice approach - woohoo just go play! It is, in all honesty, a really cool team, including coach Cooper.
I gotta be authentic - this version of the Leafs are a dislikable bunch, the epitome of spoiled entitlement without first demonstrating merit. It's been my team since watching the Cup win with Dad in '67, but Jesus Mary and Joseph... (I'm not cussing, I'm looking up and asking for help).
I gotta be authentic - this version of the Leafs are a dislikable bunch, the epitome of spoiled entitlement without first demonstrating merit. It's been my team since watching the Cup win with Dad in '67, but Jesus Mary and Joseph... (I'm not cussing, I'm looking up and asking for help).
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The 2019 game 6 was a Nationally televised Sunday afternoon game and they were a complete no show.
From that game until now the “Core Fore” have never given anyone a reason to believe they are anything other than what they were on that day.
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That was my feeling too, but I got stupid and thought this year was different. To be honest, even if they pull this series off, I still think this core needs to be exploded.
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I was looking at the TV ratings thread @ the business forum. The Jets series avg. 500k viewers and the Leafs series hasn't broke the 3 mil mark.
I know a lot of younger demographics are cord cutters so they don't count, but the numbers are depressingly low.
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