HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Preliminary Discussion Thread

[Michael Farkas]

- Ullmark is a very good goalie. I liked him in Buffalo actually. The Vezina overrated him though. It's not the same situation in Ottawa, so it's gonna hurt his numbers (or he's gonna win the Hart). I just don't think he has the shuffle ability to quite deal with how many loose pucks that hang around Ottawa's puddle. He's a zillion times better than Anton Forsberg at least, so his numbers will probably look good by comparison.

In short, he was underrated in Buffalo; overrated in Boston. That's basically a great example of why I'm scared that we end up "rating teams" instead of goalies.

- Giacomin isn't doing that great for me. But I have very limited views. He'll be a focal point tonight.

- I thought about Sorokin. But I felt he didn't have enough seasons to "qualify". He was basically the litmus test for that.

- Not quite to Lumley yet. I think I liked McNeil.

- I think it was very telling how uniform the last project's list was. Folks aren't sure about goaltending, and rightfully so...it's tough. No stats, completely different game basically, heavy team influence...I think we're going to have a lot of overlap again, relatively speaking...

 

[The Pale King]

I'm trying to finish up my list but I'm a ways off still. Really been enjoying reading the posts on here and reading about the older goalies.

Unfortunately the timing is really bad for me in terms of free time to devote (don't get me wrong, normally I have an excess). Sept - through mid Oct is going to be tough for me to be super active here.

If I can get a list in by the end of Sunday, I'll try my best to participate in a limited way in the first rounds of voting, but no promises at this point. Looking forward to reading the discussion and learning a bunch either way.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I'm trying to finish up my list but I'm a ways off still. Really been enjoying reading the posts on here and reading about the older goalies.

You got it. Keep pushin'

I don't have 80 list-able names yet myself.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I found after 65 I ran out of genuinely good goalies.

My back 15 are all guys with things about their game or career or resume I didn't like.

There's only 40 guys in the HHOF, so I guess that's expected.

Maybe we get an update on Sunday on how many lists we've recieved?

 

[Professor What]

I found after 65 I ran out of genuinely good goalies.

My back 15 are all guys with things about their game or career or resume I didn't like.

There's only 40 guys in the HHOF, so I guess that's expected.

Maybe we get an update on Sunday on how many lists we've recieved?

I think the guys I have listed are at least decent. Doesn't mean they're world beaters, but they're not losers either. That said, I think I hit that flawed threshold well before 65. I've got guys in my 40s that I'm not entirely thrilled with.

 

[MXD]

I was taking a look at my list and realized I listed Kevin Dzurilla

 

[Michael Farkas]

Ugh, some of these goalies are so frustrating...

Tony Esposito is to the butterfly what Eddie Giacomin is to the pad stack. It's so bizarre how they use it. Both are very inefficient players. I knew that Giacomin was renowned for playing the puck, I didn't realize it was at virtually any cost. Good lord, he's like trying to stickhandle from one side of the net (behind) and then employ puck protection techniques.

Not at all surprised that he had some early regular season success, then the rest of his career was wishy washy, and couldn't do diddly poo in the playoffs. Just like Tony O.

Even in the cherrypicked '67 to '71 prime window: 2.45 in the regular season, 2.95 in the playoffs.

Another unsympathetic character after watching the tape more in-depth. He shouldn't be far from Esposito and it should be lower than you, collectively, have him, imo.

 

[Sentinel]

Guys like Vernon, Giguere, Richter, Rask are given undeserved boosts based on team production. They were not among the leading team HEROES; to wit, they were solid role players, not difference makers.

Night after night, Rinne was the best player on his team, and it was well known. Rask? Not so often.

This is batshit crazy. If Giguere and Richter aren't "heroes," I don't know who is. 03 Giguere and 96 Richter are the stuff of legends.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Giguere isn't close to my list, obviously. Richter is on my weak interest list, and is staving off being crossed out...for now.

@tarheelhockey haven't seen you around very much, not sure if you're participating in this. Hope that you would have.

In this post, Award & All-Star Voting (1912-present) - the 1971 all star voting, I think the goaltender AS voting should be Eddie Johnston, not Ed Johnstone.