Hockey Cards - Part III

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SomeDude

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I am not about the investment factor. I like collecting Vancouver Canuck rookie cards. I try and get the all time greats in BGS 9.5 or PSA 10, but for the most part I like collecting Canucks rookies just to keep my OCD content.
Yep, that's why I can't get on board with people saying the hobby is screwed or whatever. There are a million different ways to enjoy the hobby. You don't have to waste your money breaking boxes. I only have a player PC at this point and the last cards produced of him were 05-06 so it's fun trying to track down the few rare ones left that I need. I can't imagine trying to collect every big name overpriced rookie that comes out every year.
 

budaj guy

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I’m one of the weirdos who likes base cards. They are cheap, have a picture of the very same player, and I can build unique collections for hardly any cost at all. Why pay $100 for a card when I can get one for $0.30? I have weird collections but they are mine…and did I mention they were cheap?
For example, I have every goalie card from Upper Deck flagship since they started making hockey cards in 1990-91, excluding YG’s (because some are too expensive). It’s over 1,500 cards and they are worth far less than the binders they are stored in, and I don’t care, because I like goalie cards. I could prolly sell the collection for $25 (without binders) to one or two other weirdos if I ever met them. I enjoy going thru the binders from time to time for the sake of nostalgia. The cards bring me just as much joy as the MacKinnon or Makar YG’s I own (and will never sell, even if they were worth $1,000).
 

Sniper99

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Stumbled across boxes and boxes sports cards in an abandoned auction house. Mostly late 80's early 90s stuff, the dead era of sports cards unfortunately. Tons of decent names of the era but nothing of value. Ended up selling big boxes of cards for $25 a piece. Seemed like the value was more in all the plastic cases on each of the cards. I got excited to go through it all, as it was a nice trip down memory lane, but checking sold items on ebay the most valuable thing I found was just a few bucks. To make money you need something really old or the really new fancy ones. 30 years ago they just printed too many of these things.
I've got a full set of '90-91 Pro Set hockey. Beckett says full set worth $25.00 last I looked a few years ago but all the card companies at the show say its probably not worth anything at all. Same with my 91-92 Donruss Baseball
 

BostonBob

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I am not about the investment factor. I like collecting Vancouver Canuck rookie cards. I try and get the all time greats in BGS 9.5 or PSA 10, but for the most part I like collecting Canucks rookies just to keep my OCD content.
Hopefully you got a few of the greatest Canuck rookie card ever:

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TD Charlie

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I've got a full set of '90-91 Pro Set hockey. Beckett says full set worth $25.00 last I looked a few years ago but all the card companies at the show say it’s probably not worth anything at all. Same with my 91-92 Donruss Baseball
That’s exactly the type of stuff i uncovered. 90-91 pro set was definitely in there, and some random Canadian card set i had never heard of. Then a couple years of fleer ultra mlb. Boxes and boxes of mlb Topps of the same era
 

dr robbie

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I used to collect back in the 90s. Looking through this thread... things are so much different now a days. Seems like graded is everything now. Guess that makes sense when you hyper-focus on condition and authenticity. Also, so many extremely limited runs and game-used stuff now. Wasn't really a lot of that back then. Just cool inserts and a handful of signatures / serial numbered cards.

Had basically every card of Lemieux from his from his rookie to his first retirement. I guess you couldn't even do something like that anymore with so many 1:1s and extremely limited print-runs?
 

PavelBure10

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I used to collect back in the 90s. Looking through this thread... things are so much different now a days. Seems like graded is everything now. Guess that makes sense when you hyper-focus on condition and authenticity. Also, so many extremely limited runs and game-used stuff now. Wasn't really a lot of that back then. Just cool inserts and a handful of signatures / serial numbered cards.

Had basically every card of Lemieux from his from his rookie to his first retirement. I guess you couldn't even do something like that anymore with so many 1:1s and extremely limited print-runs?

I was a huge collector in the 90's and early 2000's, but it was these limited numbered rookies and patches that improved the hobby, but also ruined it for the average collector. It became a rich man's hobby, where the average Joe can't afford a shot at Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid or Bedards best rookies. Unless your willing to fork out hundreds or thousands. The Cup in particular sank the ship for me. When I am paying $150 Kevin Bieksa 3 color rookie swatch, I decided to stop for a bit. Then I had children and the hobby died. 10 years later I am back collecting again, but I focus on easier targets. Instead of collecting the Cup rookies, I now focus on graded rookies of the current and upcoming Canucks stars. Young guns are much cheaper.

I miss card collecting in the 90's. Such fond memories.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2

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It's only a rich man's hobby if you want to gamble on boxes, or you want to collect Connor McDavid.

You can buy 99.9 percent of cards ever released in the modern era for $20 or less. Probably 90 percent or more in the $5 or less range. It was even cheaper pre-pandemic.

Even the high end stuff that people complain about has an absurdly cheap entry point. Quite a few Cup RPAs will sell for $50 or less. That is an expensive buy for someone on a fixed income, but relative to the cost of the box that is very cheap.

The hobby is still very cheap and accessible, even with the spike in prices. It's not a cheap way to gamble, but you might be better off with scratch tickets or a casino just based on the stated odds being better. I don't think you can take kids to casinos though so if you want to teach a kid to enjoy gambling, sports cards would have to be it.
 

blankall

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It's only a rich man's hobby if you want to gamble on boxes, or you want to collect Connor McDavid.

You can buy 99.9 percent of cards ever released in the modern era for $20 or less. Probably 90 percent or more in the $5 or less range. It was even cheaper pre-pandemic.

Even the high end stuff that people complain about has an absurdly cheap entry point. Quite a few Cup RPAs will sell for $50 or less. That is an expensive buy for someone on a fixed income, but relative to the cost of the box that is very cheap.

The hobby is still very cheap and accessible, even with the spike in prices. It's not a cheap way to gamble, but you might be better off with scratch tickets or a casino just based on the stated odds being better. I don't think you can take kids to casinos though so if you want to teach a kid to enjoy gambling, sports cards would have to be it.
This is a great point. In the 90s people were collecting base cards. You can still do that if you want to. People are complaining about the cost of the high end stuff, but they also look down on the cheap stuff.

The truth is, there are cards available at every price point.
 

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This is a great point. In the 90s people were collecting base cards. You can still do that if you want to. People are complaining about the cost of the high end stuff, but they also look down on the cheap stuff.

The truth is, there are cards available at every price point.

It is a very accessible hobby price wise.

Ignoring 3-4 top players, there are lower-end rookies available for everybody. If my kid is a huge Brady Tkachuk fan and wants his rookie card, I don't have to spend $30 USD on his Young Guns, I could go on eBay or COMC and get multiple different rookie cards for a few dollars each, like his OPC Platinum.

Once you get into players who aren't the top 3 on a team, and aren't "new", everything is dirt cheap. Claude Giroux had a borderline HHOF career, was the top player on his team for two decades, was on video game covers, his rookie cards are available for $1, his YG is $20 or less, and he has many autographs available under $20 on COMC and eBay. Not to mention inserts, jersey cards, etc.

Then there are hundreds if not thousands of autograph cards from 2010 to present available on COMC for $1-$5.

The idea that this is an expensive hobby is lunacy. Anytime people argue that, all I hear is that people want to gamble and rip boxes on the cheap. Which is a fair want, but that has nothing to do with whether collecting itself is expensive. There are numerous cheap and fun avenues to enjoy hockey cards that are almost completely separate from the financial aspect of the hobby because the cards themselves are so affordable, and there is no room for speculation (for example, my Cory Conacher Cup Rookie I paid $10 is not going up or down in price, it simply exists).

The people who say they want to go back to the day of ripping packs at corner stores and sticking them in their bike wheels don't actually want that. What they want is a time machine, so that they can go back to that day, then they can say to themselves here, buy 5 sealed boxes from that shop keeper, keep them in a moisture controlled environment, ask around and see which of your friends pulled a Wayne Gretzky, hustle them for it, while you're at it invest in a stock called Amazon.

Even their fantasies about hockey cards going back to their salad days center around the idea that there was some sort of treasure at the end of the rainbow. Nobody would fantasize about that if there was zero collectibility to a Gretzky rookie or anything pulled. People want this impossible reality where they can buy packs of Series 2 for $1 and pull a $1000 Bedard. It's not happening.
 

frightenedinmatenum2

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I used to collect back in the 90s. Looking through this thread... things are so much different now a days. Seems like graded is everything now. Guess that makes sense when you hyper-focus on condition and authenticity. Also, so many extremely limited runs and game-used stuff now. Wasn't really a lot of that back then. Just cool inserts and a handful of signatures / serial numbered cards.

Had basically every card of Lemieux from his from his rookie to his first retirement. I guess you couldn't even do something like that anymore with so many 1:1s and extremely limited print-runs?

Cards are way too oversaturated. It would be difficult to collect all the cards of one star player.

There are some people who pick out a player, usually not a big star like Mario, and get all their cards, but it basically is an entire hobby where you have to maintain checklists and set eBay alerts, scour forums, etc.

It is a bit easier with cards released now because most people who break boxes don't collect very much, so everything ends up on the secondary market. It's more normalized to list things on eBay or Facebook than it was 20 years ago. A lot of cards are bought on Upper Deck's online marketplace "ePack", where it can be sold on their partner site "COMC". The result of this is that people who break boxes just to break the boxes usually list almost everything they pull, and less cards get tucked away because previously the people who pulled them might not have known how to list on eBay or cared enough to take the time to list/ship a $5 insert. With ePack, trading or selling a large batch of cards only takes a few minutes
 

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It's a hobby based around gambling and speculation. It's basically scratch tickets but probably less efficient so I can't take anybody complaining about the price of sealed boxes being placed at market value seriously.

There is no reasonable argument of why people should expect a tin where you have an equal chance at a flagship card that will be worth $1000 to be the same price as a tin where the flagship Young Guns card was worth $100 or whatever.

The only people I respect in the hobby are obscure player collectors, or weirdos who put together base sets. Those are the people who love hockey cards with zero interest in gambling or capitalizing. It's ironic for people to get upset at distributors, card shops, or resellers, when the entire hobby is built on capitalizing, gambling, and speculating. There are very few people who are in the hobby with no financial angle or stake.
Definitely one of them. Have a small collection of Avs Cup winners where I’m still slowly working on adding a card (mostly base set unless it’s one of my favourite players) from everyone on all 3 teams. Beyond that just collect Landeskog cards. Don’t care about it being worth anything and Landeskog (maybe Makar and Sakic too) is the only player I would seriously consider spending >$20 on a card for
 

Rants Mulliniks

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This is a great point. In the 90s people were collecting base cards. You can still do that if you want to. People are complaining about the cost of the high end stuff, but they also look down on the cheap stuff.

The truth is, there are cards available at every price point.
It may also be the destruction of busting packs to get them. The chase is the fun but the industry has ruined the chase. You've gone from "can I get this guy in this pack" to "can I snipe Joe Blow on eBay" without the mystery.
 

joestevens29

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But if you have the Stanley Cup Hologram from that set, if in pristine condition you'll get $1000
I have the one from 91-92 pro set. I remember going to some liquidation store and get a box for less than 10 bucks.

Was a few years after the set came out, but none of the card shops in Edmonton knew what that card was.

Still have it somewhere.
 

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blankall

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It may also be the destruction of busting packs to get them. The chase is the fun but the industry has ruined the chase. You've gone from "can I get this guy in this pack" to "can I snipe Joe Blow on eBay" without the mystery.
I still bust a lot of packs. You can get series 1/2 from 2020 to 2023 on sale right now for huge discounts. No, the Cup isn't cheap, but that was always aimed at an exclusive market.
 

joestevens29

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This is a great point. In the 90s people were collecting base cards. You can still do that if you want to. People are complaining about the cost of the high end stuff, but they also look down on the cheap stuff.

The truth is, there are cards available at every price point.
Like anything really. Other options available, but a lot of people just want the best of the best.

I mean if you are just collecting for yourself and don't plan on trying to get rich quick, there are a lot of options out there. Heck it's even easier than before to track down some random card you need to fill your needs with the internet.
 

frightenedinmatenum2

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There are a handful of hobby boxes available in the $100-$150 CAD range. When you consider inflation, a $100 box now would be the equivalent to a $78 box in 2014.

I suspect a lot of 22-23 stuff will go down further in price. Before the pandemic, there were boxes sitting on shelves for 5-10 years, unsold even at markdowns. Even something like 15-16 OPC Platinum was available for under $200 in quantities from some hobby shops. There was a run on sealed product during the pandemic and everything got cleared out.

People will say that Bedard will bring interest to the hobby, but he won't. He will bring interest to Bedard-year products. Additionally, people who gamble on boxes will move their limited funds away from products that don't have Bedard, to fund purchasing Bedard-year products. Those Bedard-year products are going to be obscenely expensive.

Unless someone breaks out huge like Draisaitl did for 14-15, those sealed products are going to continue to go down in value if there is as much of them on the shelf as it seems like.

No one who is excited about Bedard cards is running to buy a hobby box of Upper Deck extended to chase a Cam Dineen Young Guns.
 

blankall

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Like anything really. Other options available, but a lot of people just want the best of the best.

I mean if you are just collecting for yourself and don't plan on trying to get rich quick, there are a lot of options out there. Heck it's even easier than before to track down some random card you need to fill your needs with the internet.

The idea that 20 years ago, you could easily track down every single card of your PC player is totally false. Doing that without everyone selling stuff on Ebay would have been impossible.

I do agree though that UD is putting out some garbage product. They've gone away from their traditional brands that had a legacy, like Black Diamond, Ice, Fleer, etc.. and replaced them with a bunch of generic parallel filled junk. The price points on many of these products are also way off.

I would like to see the NHL limit UD to about 10-15 products total and then give Panini, and maybe another company, another 5 each. What the hobby is really missing is competition.
 

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