GDT: HNIC: Rangers visit Toronto - 10/19/24 - 7PM EST SN/CBC

arso40

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Sure, he has.

But people don't sit and count all the good passes or zone denials he does. But if he makes one ill-placed pass, or if he gets bumped off a puck (like many D do), he's crap.

No one registers it if it isn't offensive or a big hit, hence why defensemen get eaten alive playing here.
Until he shows his coach that he shouldn’t take him out it’ll continue to be like this he’s better than Timmins but at 2 mill more he has to show the clear separation on a nightly basis he has to play aggressive he can’t just rely on skill not with this coach
 
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BrannigansLaw

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We always seem to match up well against the Rags for some reason so I’m expecting a win.

Real tests will be the usual suspects of Boston and Florida or any team with a heavy forecheck.
 

arso40

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No he really hasn't.

He's not good defensively

He's not good offensively

He's not physical

He's had trouble cracking the playoff lineup for years.

You say nobody registeres if he's not offensive, problem is that's not true.

Go look at how many points Chris Tanev has tell me what you find.

Most of us love Chris Tanev.

Go look at Steven Lorentz, most of us love Steven Lorentz.

Lilly simply isn't good enough at anything
I don’t agree at all
 

arso40

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Prove me wrong.
He’s good defensively and he’s good offensively he’s a good two way defencemen he needs to be more physical and aggressive in a line up like this unfortunately he won’t shine until someone like Rielly isn’t in the line up and defensively he’s the least physical but he’s not a bad defender at all your not seeing well if you think that
 

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He’s good defensively and he’s good offensively he’s a good two way defencemen he needs to be more physical and aggressive in a line up like this unfortunately he won’t shine until someone like Rielly isn’t in the line up and defensively he’s the least physical but he’s not a bad defender at all your not seeing well if you think that

His career high in points is 23 how is he good offensively?

How is he good defensively? He's never been able to stick in the playoff lineup, and now he can't even get into the regular season lineup over Conor Timmins, if he was as good defensively as you claim Conor Timmins would not be playing over him.

He's not physical at all so he doesn't bring that.

He was the worst player on the ice against the kings.

You know I use to call Josh Levio Josh "do nothing" Levio because Josh Levio didn't score, didn't hit, didn't fight, didn't block shots, didn't PK, wasn't on the PP, didn't win board battles, Josh Levio literally did NOTHING.

Lilly is the defense version of that.

He doesn't score

He doesn't hit

He doesn't fight

He doesn't block shots

He's not on the PK.

He's not on the PP.

He doesn't win board battles.

He does literally NOTHING except It's worse with Lilly because Levio didn't make 3 million bucks to do literally nothing.

Lilly does he's getting 3 million bucks a year essentially for free.
 

Maplebeasts

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His career high in points is 23 how is he good offensively?

How is he good defensively? He's never been able to stick in the playoff lineup, and now he can't even get into the regular season lineup over Conor Timmins, if he was as good defensively as you claim Conor Timmins would not be playing over him.

He's not physical at all so he doesn't bring that.

He was the worst player on the ice against the kings.

You know I use to call Josh Levio Josh "do nothing" Levio because Josh Levio didn't score, didn't hit, didn't fight, didn't block shots, didn't PK, wasn't on the PP, didn't win board battles, Josh Levio literally did NOTHING.

Lilly is the defense version of that.

He doesn't score

He doesn't hit

He doesn't fight

He doesn't block shots

He's not on the PK.

He's not on the PP.

He doesn't win board battles.

He does literally NOTHING except It's worse with Lilly because Levio didn't make 3 million bucks to do literally nothing.

Lilly does he's getting 3 million bucks a year essentially for free.
23 points is good when you’re a defensemen who doesn’t play on the power play and only played 55 games. You said so much here yet proved nothing other than you don’t know what you are talking about. He wasn’t great against the Kings but has played 200 NHL games, most of which where he was statistically a very good player. It’s not really his fault Keefe was idiot enough to play Lyubushkin over him. This organization has proven itself incompetent at developing defensemen.

It’s ridiculous how much rope management and coaching has given to veterans who underperform like Holl, Brodie last year, Lyubushkin vs giving promising young dmen minutes and giving them a chance to grow. It happened to Sandin, it’s happening to Liljegren and it’s going to happen to Niemela.

This team has no future on the blue line because all of our defensemen are either aging or can’t move the puck worth shit. Add in a coach and GM who are size queens that appear to love physicality over actual skill and this team’s window is going to close the second Tanev falls off.
 
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Maplebeasts

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He might feel that way for sure. Remember not a single teammate rushed to his defense after Marchand intentionally hurt him last season. He might just be thinking fk these guys I'm not risking my health for them. Maybe he is looking for a fresh start elsewhere. Which is fine. We need a tougher player to slot in that bottom pairing role.
We have Benoit and Hakanpa when he’s healthy.
Not surprised Timmins draws back in for Lilijgren.
You should be. Timmins sucks balls and has been far and away a worse defensemen over their entire careers to date.
 

Maplebeasts

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I can't see Liljegren doing anything wherever he goes.

He'll go the way of Travis Dermott and Rasmus Sandin. His fans love him but there's not much there.
He is the only one out of the three that played well when he got top 4 minutes. It’s going to be a sad day when this team trades him for peanuts and he goes on to be a top 4 defensemen for an org that isn’t deathly afraid of playing young defensemen.
 

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