Hlinka Gretzky Cup

[jbobell98]

lets go baby hockey canada DOMINANCE HAHAHA the salt is tangible

 

[Baxterman]

If my country had won that game same way I wouldnt celebrate one bit, but I quess its Canadian thing, they love this stuff the dirtier the better everything from breaking Valeri Kharlamovs ankle to fake goal vs USA its just normal thing for them.

LOL this is such BS.

There have been many more egregious decisions to result in wins in hockey and other sports and every time the team that gets the advantage cheers and other bitter losers talk about how they wouldn't take the win.

I mean this is really not that bad of a call at all. At worst the goal was a fraction late but under the rules it was a clear goal. We have had instances where goals haven't been in and called good at least this was clearly in the net and in time.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yes just like we had to watch out in 1996 when they fluked out the World Cup win.

2010 was the closest you came to beating us in a major mens tournament and in the 3 tournaments after that you haven't been close.

The myth of American hockey catching up is just that a myth. They have certainly become better than they were but they are no threat at all to catch Canada anytime soon, if at all.

There is nothing fluky about winning a three game series.

Hey I am all for Nationalism and pulling for your countries teams to do well. I really like watching it and don't hide I have biases that come along with it. The extreme you're showing in this thread though is a little troubling.

Canada didn't dominate this game, the USA didn't bring their best U18 players to this tournament. Those aren't really interpretations, they were clear to see. When you don't acknowledge it or patently lie in the manner you just did in terms of losing in 96' it comes across as pretty silly in my opinion. You can love your own team without being a prisoner to seeing the game with only a Canada slant and what seems to be an extreme one at that in my opinion.

I wish them luck in the finals. If the Hlinka tournament wants to be taken seriously and rattle off long speeches in the intermissions while not making sure things as modern as replay are available they are asking for trouble. It is embarrassing that an event that has some credibility doesn't have that in place still in this day and age. This better be the last time we can even have a discussion about something this fraudulent and actually fluky happening at an event that is supposed to be of some significance in the hockey world.

 

[Baxterman]

Can't blame the refs per say.

It's just tough watching a bunch of B level kids pouring their hearts out on the ice against arguably the best team, only to lose because organizers can't provide rudimentary standard game technology.

They lost because they could stop Canada from scoring at the end of the game. Its that simple.

It wasn't like the horn went off and they stopped playing and Canada scored. The refs determined that the goal was a good goal so it was the US inability to stop the Canadians from scoring that lost them the game not the organizers.

 

[Baxterman]

There is nothing fluky about winning a three game series.

Hey I am all for Nationalism and pulling for your countries teams to do well. I really like watching it and don't hide I have biases that come along with it. The extreme you're showing in this thread though is a little troubling.

Canada didn't dominate this game, the USA didn't bring their best U18 players to this tournament. Those aren't really interpretations, they were clear to see. When you don't acknowledge it or patently lie in the manner you just did in terms of losing in 96' it comes across as pretty silly in my opinion. You can love your own team without being a prisoner to seeing the game with only a Canada slant and what seems to be an extreme one at that in my opinion.

I wish them luck in the finals. If the Hlinka tournament wants to be taken seriously and rattle off long speeches in the intermissions while not making sure things as modern as replay are available they are asking for trouble. It is embarrassing that an event that has some credibility doesn't have that in place still in this day and age. This better be the last time we can even have a discussion about something this fraudulent and actually fluky happening at an event that is supposed to be of some significance in the hockey world.

There is something flukey when you are a clearly inferior team like the US in 96 and need luck to win not better play. I am not saying they didn't win or claiming they shouldn't be proud of the win like some losers in here are doing but that win was 100% fluke and zero % skill.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

I'm pretty sure Canada's been on the wrong side of a bad call before...and we're still playing hockey.

It sucks when it happens to your team, but don't make stuff up.

Come on now, you should now that they love to throw about bs when somethings not going their way. Like when they lost to SWE in the WHC 2017 for example, the only thing they talked about afterwards was how bad it is that the IIHF has decided that penalties is decisive in the finals, like they didnt know about it and how the IIHF f***ed Canada over.

 

[snipes]

So much bitterness. Didn’t the USA captain tell the ref it’s not his fault, that there was nothing that could be done about the call? Class act. He knew it was headed to OT, accepted the fact people make mistakes. It was anyone’s game in OT, Canada capitalized. It sucks, but it happened. Like losing in shootouts at the international level.

I have a lot of respect for the Yanks captain. He showed a lot of poise in that situation.

The Yanks could have won it in OT and they didn't, it was the right call with the information the refs had. No replay and a bang-bang type goal with it crossing the line simultaneously as the buzzer rang could have gone either way.

Without the assistance of replay there was no "right call" the refs could have made in that situation.

 

[S E P H]

So much bitterness. Didn’t the USA captain tell the ref it’s not his fault, that there was nothing that could be done about the call? Class act. He knew it was headed to OT, accepted the fact people make mistakes. It was anyone’s game in OT, Canada capitalized. It sucks, but it happened. Like losing in shootouts at the international level.

I get what you're saying and don't entirely disagree with it, but it is still flawed logic.

Shootouts in IIHF events have taken place since the 1970s. Teams absolutely know what they're getting themselves into for many, many, many years. Hlinka is still fairly new and just allowed a team that shouldn't be in the Gold medal game, a place in the Gold medal game. That is as big as a travesty as a sporting event can conduct.

If people like me want to take this tournament seriously, then they should have basic replayability. Hell, in the NCAA hockey they simply have the refs go to the penalty box, review, and make the decision on their own. Is that too hard to ask for? All you need to do is buy a $80 dollar 1080p screen from Sam's Club and connect it to the video room giving access to the refs on the ice.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Distorting reality is claiming the USA won

They lost. The tournament website says so.... today the USA will play for Bronze... today Canada will play in the gold medal game. That is the reality.

So let's not talk about distorting reality.

I was responding to someone who was trying to tell me about the rule book.

Reality is what we saw, not a rule book. If you are going to try to tell me that the USA didn't have more goals after regulation than Canada based off what you watched, I'm not sure there's anything to even discuss here. Thats a very open or closed situation.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

hahaha lets go baby its weird you say the USA won when theyre clearly not going to be playing for gold. DELUSION LMAO

You sound like an 8 year old child, but go ahead and brag. I'm not bothered by your comment.

The context isn't favorable towards your view, and I think most are admitting that, regardless of who they root for.

 

[LastWordArmy]

I was responding to someone who was trying to tell me about the rule book.

Reality is what we saw, not a rule book. If you are going to try to tell me that the USA didn't have more goals after regulation than Canada based off what you watched, I'm not sure there's anything to even discuss here. Thats a very open or closed situation.

Who won the 1999 Stanley Cup? 2004 Stanley Cup?

Both had some very controversial calls, and no matter how many times Buffalo fans scream "no goal" or Calgary fans tell us that Gelinas' shot in game 6 was over the line... the fact remains that Dallas and Tampa have their names in the record books. That's the reality. The winner is the team who the tournament officials say is the winner. Not what someone on a message board says after seeing a controversial call on a replay.

You are right, this is an open or closed situation. At the end of the game I watched... the refs ruled that Canada had 6 goals and USA had 5. They are the ones who make that decision. That was a rule that every team agreed to before the tournament. So yeah, that's reality.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

USA could go undefeated for bronze. That would at least be unique.

Only in Canada you say?

Pity

 

[BlackDogg]

Looks like Russia will take the bronze at this time.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Seems like Gutik wins back possession so often when he loses the puck making a high skill play. Really nice prospect.

 

[Baxterman]

USA could go undefeated for bronze. That would at least be unique.

Only in Canada you say?

Pity

How could they go undefeated?

 

[DDRhockey]

Usa no energy left.

 

[Fantomas]

How did Russia blow that semifinal. To hell with them.

 

[DDRhockey]

How did Russia blow that semifinal. To hell with them.

Because they could not convert on 6 PPs.

Canada has won this tournament 9 times last 10 years. It will be hard to beat them.

 

[Thebesthockey]

Can always blame it on USA “B” high school team

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

JONES: Controversy at Hlinka Gretzky Cup as USA gets robbed

Logic and common sense lost a big one Friday night at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup Friday at Rogers Place.

Justice was not served. And the first edition of the event in Edmonton was soiled and spoiled.

With the clock registering 0:00, Dylan Cozens scored what appeared to be the game-equalizing goal to send the semifinal against the USA to overtime.

TSN video proved beyond an element of doubt that the puck had not entered the net before time expired.

The United States should be playing Sweden in Saturday night’s gold medal game.

It would be the USA, a nation that hasn’t won this thing since 2007 versus the Americans who last won it in 2003.

The reason the Americans weren’t rewarded with their rightful victory?

There was no video review for tournament games in Red Deer. Therefore video review couldn’t be used to settle a game in Edmonton.

Josh Williams scored the “winner” in 4-on-4 overtime and Canada goes on to play the Swedes for gold.

Going into the Hlinka Gretzky Cup debut in Edmonton, Canada had won gold 21 times of 27 including nine of the last 10. Sweden hasn’t won the Hlinka since 2007.

You could have made the case that it would probably help the tournament now that it will be held here every second year, for Team Canada to lose a few.

Whatever, if you wanted a sensational showcase for draft year talent and great games, you got it.

Those were two great games Friday.

But despite supposedly having a dominant team for the first
edition of the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, Canada’s best in this best-on-best tournament for one of the rare times in the history of the U-18 tournament, was bested.

Despite coming back from 1-0, 2-1 and 3-1 deficits, the Canadians lost 5-4 on logic and common sense.

One can only remind folks what this tournament is supposedly all about.

It is, before it is anything else, a place for a player to position himself for the end-of-the-season NHL Entry Draft.

Fortunately, these kids tend to forget that even if there’s seldom a lot of debate about which team is going to win the thing as a rule.

If you watched the emotions on the faces of both Russian and Swedish players in the afternoon when Sweden scored in the final minute before 1,539 to win 2-1 and advance to Saturday’s gold medal game, there was no lack of agony of defeat or thrill of victory.

It’s not a bad thing for the focus to go on the teams instead of the players as individuals. That was going to be the focus of this column today with a standard Canadian win.

How is that part of the tournament proceeding?
S
everal years ago, with an eye to turning the Hlinka Memorial Tournament into a TSN television property and expanding the expertise of Button, network Vice-President and Executive Producer, Live Events Paul Graham started sending him to Europe for the tournament every year.

When your correspondent had the opportunity to ask him if he thought the 285 scouts here had already identified half the probable first round picks for the NHL Entry Draft in June, Button quickly produced a list:
• Bowen Byram, Canada.
• Kraeden Korczak, Canada.
• Matthew Robertson, Canada.
• Dylan Cozens, Canada.
• Ryan Suzuki, Canada.
• Williams, Canada.
• Payton Krebs, Canada.
• Kirby Dach, Canada.
• Samuel Poulin, Canada.
• Michael Vuikovich, Canada.
• Phillip Broberg, Sweden.
• Toblas Bjornfot, Sweden.
• Victor Soderstrom, Sweden.
• Elmer Soderblom, Sweden.
• Albin Grewe, Sweden.
• Arthur Kalietyev, USA.
• Robert Mastriniome, USA.
• Ilya Mironov, Russia.
• Vasill Podkolzin, Russia.

And that doesn’t include the list of 16-year-olds also playing in this event. Button quickly projected a list of 2020 first round probable picks.
• Alexis Lafreniere, Canada.
• Justin Barron, Canada.
• Dylan Holloway, Canada.
• Braden Schneider, Canada.
• Alexander Holtz, Sweden.
• Lucas Raymond, Sweden.
• Danill Gushin, Russia.

As you contemplate watching the now spoiled and soiled gold medal games Saturday at Rogers Place or on TSN, keep in mind that when (it’s not announced yet but it’s not an ‘if’) you can expect to watch most of those guys in the IIHF World Junior in Edmonton and Calgary.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Canada benefits from controversial call to defeat United States

“Last time I was facing this much media I was getting fired,” he laughed.

“It was decided and signed off on by all the teams for consistency and fairness that the officials would make the call on the ice. It seems like there was a discrepancy in terms of the end of the game and the call that was made but we’re not criticizing officials here,” said Renney, who must have felt like former NHL head of officials Bryan Lewis, trying to explain the explainable when the NHL allowed Brett Hull’s toe-in-the-crease Stanley Cup winner in 1999.

“If I’m the U.S. squad, I’m looking at this with a bit of a jaundiced eye as to what they have to do to win a hockey game. If I’m the U.S. squad, I’m scratching my head. They are owed some type of explanation and I’ll go and talk to them next,” said Renney.

 

[PBandJ]

Russia really doing all they can to blow this. Come on you guys.

 

[PBandJ]

God damn what a goal.

Suck it.

 

[Fantomas]

No lies detected.