Hindsight - Dubas or Hunter?

[Bomber0104]

Yeah, such a bad pick that Robertson is! Who cares if he's having the most dominant goal scoring season in years. Should've taken some big plug instead.

Should've drafted another one of him this year with the 1st round pick Dubas spammed away..

But I guess keeping this fringe playoff team together was more important...

 

[colchar]

There is a reason multiple teams have passed on Hunter for their GM jobs and he had to go back to the OHL.

That isn't what happened.

 

[colchar]

So how come since leaving Toronto no other NHL teams have wanted to hire Hunter to become their next GM?

As stated above, he said he didn't want to leave the southern Ontario area which severely limited the teams he could work for.

 

[Bomber0104]

So how come since leaving Toronto no other NHL teams have wanted to hire Hunter to become their next GM?

You clearly don't know the Hunters.

 

[LeafsNation75]

As stated above, he said he didn't want to leave the southern Ontario area which severely limited the teams he could work for.

I know it was speculated if he could not get the GM job in Toronto he would have wanted it in Detroit, since London is in between Toronto and Detroit. However once Steve Yzerman quit as Tampa Bay's GM everyone knew he was the next GM in waiting for Detroit.

 

[Luminiferous]

Anyone but Hunter. Dubas was fine at the time. I absolutely dislike his contract signings. I hope a new GM comes in sooner or later, unless he turns it around.

The Kadri trade, Marner's contract, Kerfoot contract and his decison making in regards to back up goaltending. The trade for Campbell could be a nice turning point.

 

[BrainyBomber]

Lou Lam had us at the top of the Leafs franchise ladder setting new team records for wins and points.

Inexplicably the Leafs changed GMs while sitting on top and its been downhill ever since.

Perhaps Lou Lam strict rules and military like discipline is what was needed with his rules and standards.

Without structure Leafs players seem to be crumbling.

Dubas seems to be taking this team under his direction like an 18 wheeler over a cliff again.

Leafs should have hired Stevie Yzerman as GM years ago when that opportunity presented itself, as he did an magnificent job building the Lightning into an annual Cup contender . IMO

Yzerman wanted to be back home in Detroit that opportunity never presented itself.

You make it sound like we were champions under Lou when it actuality we came closest last year to advancing to the 2nd round.

In those supposedly glorious Lou years he didn't have Andersen completely crumbling nor beset with crucial injuries all season like this year.

Basically your analysis is deeply flawed an doesn't take into account the most pertinent factors. Don't quit your day job.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Lou Lam had us at the top of the Leafs franchise ladder setting new team records for wins and points.

Inexplicably the Leafs changed GMs while sitting on top and its been downhill ever since.

Perhaps Lou Lam strict rules and military like discipline is what was needed with his rules and standards.

Without structure Leafs players seem to be crumbling.

Dubas seems to be taking this team under his direction like an 18 wheeler over a cliff again.

Leafs should have hired Stevie Yzerman as GM years ago when that opportunity presented itself, as he did an magnificent job building the Lightning into an annual Cup contender . IMO

So how come the Islanders went from having a 15 game point streak earlier this season and looked to be a top 3 lock in the Metropolitan Division, to now being in the 2nd Wild Card spot in the Eastern Conference and are no longer a guarantee to make the playoffs themselves. Plus even though they are technically in the 2nd Wild Card spot they are tied in points with Columbus with 72 and can easily be officially out of a playoff spot if the Blue Jackets win or get 1 point on Thursday against the Flyers.

 

[BrainyBomber]

Let's see what Dubas pulls in during his drafts. The only thing we have on the NHL roster is Sandin. People seem to forget that Hanifin was the consensus pick in 2015.

Umm he just drafted Robertson at #53 the biggest steal of last year.

He was draft eligible by only a few days and would be a top 10 pick this year. He's having one of the most dominant goal scoring seasons in OHL history. There's talk of him already making the team next year and he's only 18.

Dubas' highest 2 picks while GM are absolute steals and will be contributing mainstays on the team for years.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yzerman wanted to be back home in Detroit that opportunity never presented itself.

You make it sound like we were champions under Lou when it actuality we came closest last year to advancing to the 2nd round.

In those supposedly glorious Lou years he didn't have Andersen completely crumbling nor beset with crucial injuries all season like this year.

Basically your analysis is deeply flawed an doesn't take into account the most pertinent factors. Don't quit your day job.

If it wasn't for Babcock being out coached by Bruce Cassidy in Game 6 last year, the Leafs should have won that game and eliminated the Bruins, which would have given Kyle Dubas a playoff series win in his 1st year as the GM.

 

[BrainyBomber]

If it wasn't for Babcock being out coached by Bruce Cassidy in Game 6 last year, the Leafs should have won that game and eliminated the Bruins, which would have given Kyle Dubas a playoff series win in his 1st year as the GM.

Yes and the Bruins went to the finals considering they beat us in a coin toss practically, that could have easily been us there.

Especially if a certain Mr Kadri could avoid suspensions.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yes and the Bruins went to the finals considering they beat us in a coin toss practically, that could have easily been us there.

Especially if a certain Mr Kadri could avoid suspensions.

It was even more frustrating that the Leafs scored the first goal and were leading 1-0, only to take back to back penalties and allowing the Bruins to score on those power plays which was the difference.

 

[BrainyBomber]

As stated above, he said he didn't want to leave the southern Ontario area which severely limited the teams he could work for.

There is one team in southern Ontario and he burned that bridge.

He interviewed for the Oilers gig last year and was unsuccessful.

Edmonton is one of the farthest teams from southern Ontario so location is clearly not why Hunter can't get a GM gig.

 

[Joey Hoser]

TBH if Lou was here the Leafs would still be in cap trouble because even though he may have signed the big 4 for less (assuming Tavares signs here as well) he likely overpays for bottom 6 veteran depth (i.e. re-signing Komarov and keeping Martin, and like brings Polak back too).

That's far worse cap trouble. That's the kind that handcuffs you. The Leafs current cap "trouble" isn't even really trouble, because it's all well-spent. They can move anyone and receive good value back, and have complete flexibility.

 

[carosey12]

this is a well thought out post, BUT no GM in the league is passing on JT if willing to come no matter what plan it diverts. If he said to Detroit/ottawa ill sign with you but scrap the rebuild they would scrap it. Jt is better than kadri easily.

Also at that point Willy hadn't been a full time centre and still isn't a full time centre so just saying he can be our 2C isn't really fair (i think he probably could do it but we don't know), what we did know is JT was a franchise C so nylander's C experiment didn't need to happen

thanks for great response, and i agree with you...the idea of putting nylander in the middle was to stress the 5 year plan about which shanny and dubas discussed him one day becoming, but at that time he was not ready...so i was just going on premise of sticking to plan...thats all...

 

[Dayjobdave]

It was even more frustrating that the Leafs scored the first goal and were leading 1-0, only to take back to back penalties and allowing the Bruins to score on those power plays which was the difference.

I would say we were called for two penalties, as opposed to took two penalties. Reffing turned that game around.

 

[sparxx87]

Yes and the Bruins went to the finals considering they beat us in a coin toss practically, that could have easily been us there.

Especially if a certain Mr Kadri could avoid suspensions.

I’m not sure you understand how difficult it is to win playoff games.

They haven’t been able to manage more than 3 in any of the last 3 years, but somehow that 4th win would have made the next 8 ‘easily’ attainable?

Stop and think about that for a minute, Brainy.

 

[ACC1224]

If Hunter is thought of so little around the league what does it say about the Leaf management that he was considered for the job here?

 

[ToneDog]

I’m not sure you understand how difficult it is to win playoff games.

They haven’t been able to manage more than 3 in any of the last 3 years, but somehow that 4th win would have made the next 8 ‘easily’ attainable?

Stop and think about that for a minute, Brainy.

I have a better chance of singing Karaoke with Shania Tawin than this Leaf team has a chance to win more that 1 playoff series this year.

 

[ToneDog]

If Hunter is thought of so little around the league what does it say about the Leaf management that he was considered for the job here?

Those that worship the Dubas loathe Lou and Hunter.

 

[ACC1224]

Those that worship the Dubas loathe Lou and Hunter.

Strange times in Leaf land.

 

[BrainyBomber]

I’m not sure you understand how difficult it is to win playoff games.

They haven’t been able to manage more than 3 in any of the last 3 years, but somehow that 4th win would have made the next 8 ‘easily’ attainable?

Stop and think about that for a minute, Brainy.

Ofcourse its difficult to win playoff games especially when you have 2 perennial powerhouses to get out of the division against. I would have been ecstatic if we had won game 7 but lost the next 4. Is atleast tangible progress and got the Bruin monkey off our backs.

But will turn your point back on you - I'm not sure you understand how close we came to beating the Bruins.

Given how Boston beat us by a coin toss practically we would have been favourites to also dispose of the Jackets and Canes who Boston easily disposed of. In fact the Bruins only lost the Cup by 1 game yet its seemingly impossible for negative Leaf fans to give any consideration that could have possibly been us with a slightly different twist of fate in that series - say one less idiotic suspension?

 

[BrainyBomber]

Those that worship the Dubas loathe Lou and Hunter.

I don't think that is the case for most. I like all 3 but only want one as Leafs GM currently.

It's more like Dubas haters keep drumming up Lou and Hunter constantly in desperate attempts to criticize Dubas. It's never the other way around.

Move on people for christ sakes both are dead to the Leafs. Focus on the future. We'll have Dubas for another 2 years no matter what so take up another hobby if it bothers you so much. GMs don't get fired after 2 years.

 

[93LEAFS]

Umm he just drafted Robertson at #53 the biggest steal of last year.

He was draft eligible by only a few days and would be a top 10 pick this year. He's having one of the most dominant goal scoring seasons in OHL history. There's talk of him already making the team next year and he's only 18.

Dubas' highest 2 picks while GM are absolute steals and will be contributing mainstays on the team for years.

It is unlikely he would be a top 10 pick in this draft. He still has issues that he has to overcome such as not a great skating/size combo and a lot of turnovers caused by trying to do to much. He's improved his stock significantly, but people are really getting ahead of themselves. People really shouldn't be expecting him to be NHL ready next year. OHL scoring is inflated this year reaching its highest point in years, with 2 players 18-year-old players on track to have better statistical seasons than Marner in 2015-16.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think that is the case for most. I like all 3 but only want one as Leafs GM currently.

It's more like Dubas haters keep drumming up Lou and Hunter constantly in desperate attempts to criticize Dubas. It's never the other way around.

Move on people for christ sakes both are dead to the Leafs. Focus on the future. We'll have Dubas for another 2 years no matter what so take up another hobby if it bothers you so much. GMs don't get fired after 2 years.

You must have a massive ignore list.

I'm of the opinion that Dubas should be judged on his own merit. Lou and Hunter have nothing to do with it.