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I agree with this, but TexMex (in Texas) destroys Cali-Mex, in my opinion. I don’t give a shit about mahi fish tacos with radicchio and chipotle aioli… give me that asada with cojita cheese on a good corn tortilla. Or brisket.



Also… I do cook quite a bit and make a few bangers. My wife is a cake pro - she sells custom wedding cakes and other events. They’re incredible.
In my opinion MEX Mex destroys both Tex Mex and Cali Mex. BUT they all have their place and I’ll eat them all. Good Cali Mex is very simliar to what I had down in Baja California towns, like El Pescadero and Todos Santos on the Pacific Coast. I did not try to find a pizza place down there. Hahaha.
 

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There’s a space for that shit, and that’s fine. I’ve enjoyed a chicken Caesar salad slice but I’m not under any delusion that it’s a measuring stick for whether or not you make good pizza. It’s fine. It’s food, and if it tastes good, I’m probably going to eat it because I’m a disgusting glutton, but I’m not judging your pizza place based on anything but your cheese slice, or maybe your grandma slice. Buffalo chicken pizza is good. But just because a place makes a good Buffalo chicken slice, doesn’t mean they make amazing pizza. I’m okay with “innovation” and this stuff being out there… no problem. But do not tell me about “the best” pizza place if it isn’t based on a cheese slice.

Conversely, I am a WHORE for pizza made with vodka sauce. When I say whore, this is what I mean:

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If I was dying of dehydration in the Sahara desert and you had a vodka slice in one hand and a bottle of water in the other, I’d die with a half eaten vodka slice in my hand. It is my kryptonite.
Correct on all counts. Cheese is the gold standard. I don't care if it's a regular NY slice, Sicilian, grandma or Neapolitan. If you can't excel at one of those, nothing else matters.

If I knew I was going to die, my last two meals would be some type of shell fish extravaganza with Queen Crab legs, King Crab legs, Lobster, Mussels, Scallops & a variety 12 pack of my favorite microbrews. That would be lunch.

For the last supper it would be a grandma pie from Best Pizza and a Margherita from John's of Bleecker with a bottle of Bordeaux & a bottle of Amarone.
 

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Correct on all counts. Cheese is the gold standard. I don't care if it's a regular NY slice, Sicilian, grandma or Neapolitan. If you can't excel at one of those, nothing else matters.

If I knew I was going to die, my last two meals would be some type of shell fish extravaganza with Queen Crab legs, King Crab legs, Lobster, Mussels, Scallops & a variety 12 pack of my favorite microbrews. That would be lunch.

For the last supper it would be a grandma pie from Best Pizza and a Margherita from John's of Bleecker with a bottle of Bordeaux & a bottle of Amarone.

My last meal would probably be a vodka slice from Rosa’s in my hometown (don’t ask, not the best pizza place, but I’m pretty sure they put heroin in the vodka sauce), some smoked wings, a beef rib from Terry Blacks, a side of their mac, a variety of fall seasonal brews from my favorite breweries and a couple hearty pours of Aberlour A’bunadh.

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Mmm. Finished in sherry casks, 60.7% cask strength. Take me.
 

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The DiFara's in Caesars Palace is literal trash. It's also probably $13 a slice by now... it was $10 pre-covid.

The Demarco family first ventured out into "expansion" back in 2011. They licensed Dom's name to a gentleman in Vegas who paid them for the rights & the recipes to the pizza. It felt like the gods smiled upon me....I had moved to town about a year prior. I tried to temper my expectations, but I'd be lying if I wasn't fired up when they announced it.

The restaurant is called Dom Demarco's Pizzeria & Bar & it opened in late 2011. The pizza was good for Vegas, but it tastes nothing like the Brooklyn DiFara's. Nothing like it whatsoever. Supposedly they use all the same ingredients, but the oven & the water make it impossible to replicate, even if they had a pizza maker who knew what he was doing...which they did not. I will say the restaurant itself was a pretty cool spot with a great happy hour. They made an above average chicken parm, excellent salads, & a few decent pasta dishes. When I moved to that part of town, my GF & I would go quite often..we became quite friendly with the staff. Unfortunately during covid the place went downhill in a big way & we never went back before moving out of town.

In 2015-2016 they opened the slice shop in Caesars that's called DiFara. The same guy who owns Demarco's runs it & could care less about the quality. I've overheard conversations while sitting at the DeMarco's bar where he basically stated how much of a cash cow it was with minimal effort. Good for him, but I'm sure that's not what Dom had in mind when he let his kids make the deal to use his name.

I also just saw DiFara's also has a location in Cary, NC of all places. From the pics I've seen online, it doesn't look good either.

I'm curious if anyone has tried the new DiFara locations in NYC & if it measures up? NYers are more discriminating about their pizza & won't put up with the shit food that middle American, Vegas tourists will eat on vacation.
I've seen pizza at Sbarro's that looked better than Caesar's DiFara's
 
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I’m not too far away. There are some good spots around town. But check this article out:


Eater LA has decent taste. Pizzeria Bianca is a place I’ve heard people rave about but I thought it was only in Phoenix. (Yeah I know that sounds ridiculous but people swear by it). Anyway there’s a spot in downtown now and I bet it’s worth a shot. I think LA pizza tends to be slightly different than the standard New York slice which is huge and more olive oily and floppy/foldy. Good LA pizza is a bit more smaller, less floppy and maybe a bit fluffy/lighter on the edge crust. But there’s some good stuff if you search it out. LA I. General is that way with food. It’s become one of the best food cities in the world but like everything else in this town you need to search places out. All good things in LA are hiding in plain sight. In any case, there are a few good spots on this list that I’d vouch for but if you’re looking for the same exact style you get in NY or Brooklyn you might be disappointed. I think the best pizza in a given city is something that is a bit more unique to that place and tries something unique based on the variables if local ingredients. But I promise you there is very good pizza in this town. There’s good every food here.

Best Thai food in the country is really close to you in Thai town…
 

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I’m not too far away. There are some good spots around town. But check this article out:


Eater LA has decent taste. Pizzeria Bianca is a place I’ve heard people rave about but I thought it was only in Phoenix. (Yeah I know that sounds ridiculous but people swear by it). Anyway there’s a spot in downtown now and I bet it’s worth a shot. I think LA pizza tends to be slightly different than the standard New York slice which is huge and more olive oily and floppy/foldy. Good LA pizza is a bit more smaller, less floppy and maybe a bit fluffy/lighter on the edge crust. But there’s some good stuff if you search it out. LA I. General is that way with food. It’s become one of the best food cities in the world but like everything else in this town you need to search places out. All good things in LA are hiding in plain sight. In any case, there are a few good spots on this list that I’d vouch for but if you’re looking for the same exact style you get in NY or Brooklyn you might be disappointed. I think the best pizza in a given city is something that is a bit more unique to that place and tries something unique based on the variables if local ingredients. But I promise you there is very good pizza in this town. There’s good every food here.

Best Thai food in the country is really close to you in Thai town…
Looking at the list, Prime & Apollonia both look outstanding & definitely worth paying a visit to. Ozzy's Apizza I would probably swing by if it was close to where I happened to be.

Also on the list, & a place I've been eager to try is Pizzana. It was featured on the Chef Show & the guy who owns it is a 3rd or 4th gneration master bread maker. Next time I visit my cousin, I'm going to suggest we head there.

The rest of the list looks underwhelming, but most of those places are Neapolitan or trendy California with tons of exotic toppings. Some people really get into that. I'm not one of them.
 
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So at a Craft beer shop and bar. Having a Double Hazy IPA called Super F’ing Yawn from Threes Brewery in Brooklyn. Really good stuff. Buying a 4 pack to take home.
 

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damn - sucks to hear about joe's pizza quality declining. i haven't been there in about 5-6 years as i haven't had any real reason to head out to the village.
Yeah it's a huge downer. Last time I was there in March it was so disappointing, I wanted to cry when I bit in to my slice. It's one of those things where you can tell right away they don't take pride in it anymore. If it was one time, I would chalk it up to a bad day...it can happen anywhere. This has been 3 times in a row where it just wasn't very good. Everything was off, especially the crust & the sauce.

Would love others opinions if they've been to the Joe's on Carmine Street lately & if their experiences have been similar.
 

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So at a Craft beer shop and bar. Having a Double Hazy IPA called Super F’ing Yawn from Threes Brewery in Brooklyn. Really good stuff. Buying a 4 pack to take home.
Most of my friends are really into IPA's. Not my thing but I can understand why people like it.

I don't drink a ton of beer anymore, mostly just bourbon. Really into collecting these days. It was wine for a long time and don't get me wrong, I still appreciate a nice cab or glass of sherry, but it isn't the same as it once was. I suppose things just change as you get older.
 
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Most of my friends are really into IPA's. Not my thing but I can understand why people like it.

I don't drink a ton of beer anymore, mostly just bourbon. Really into collecting these days. It was wine for a long time and don't get me wrong, I still appreciate a nice cab or glass of sherry, but it isn't the same as it once was. I suppose things just change as you get older.

Recommendations? Try to keep it under $100 lol.

Personally, liking Basil Hayden's Dark Rye.
 
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Conversely, I am a WHORE for pizza made with vodka sauce. When I say whore, this is what I mean:

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If I was dying of dehydration in the Sahara desert and you had a vodka slice in one hand and a bottle of water in the other, I’d die with a half eaten vodka slice in my hand. It is my kryptonite.
So, I agree with everything. Cheese slice is the deciding factor, as is margharita if it's a wood/coal fired oven. It's sort of the same for me with chicken parm as well. If a place has a good chicken parm then the rest is usually good.

My Aunt actually got me into Vodka sauce pizza. She used to get a side of broccolli rabe and put it on the slice before she ate it. It was amazing.
 
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Recommendations? Try to keep it under $100 lol.

Personally, liking Basil Hayden's Dark Rye.

I could write you a full page of bourbon recommendations. Along with a couple of whisky’s that drink like bourbons even though they technically aren’t. The dark rye from BH is great and the price point is wonderful.
 
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Looking at the list, Prime & Apollonia both look outstanding & definitely worth paying a visit to. Ozzy's Apizza I would probably swing by if it was close to where I happened to be.

Also on the list, & a place I've been eager to try is Pizzana. It was featured on the Chef Show & the guy who owns it is a 3rd or 4th gneration master bread maker. Next time I visit my cousin, I'm going to suggest we head there.

The rest of the list looks underwhelming, but most of those places are Neapolitan or trendy California with tons of exotic toppings. Some people really get into that. I'm not one of them.
I’ve had appalonias and was surprised at the quality in a good way.
 
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Recommendations? Try to keep it under $100 lol.

Personally, liking Basil Hayden's Dark Rye.
I'm really into anything from Buffalo Trace right now. I'll post a picture of my collection one day but under $100? I'd say go for EH Taylor Small Batch or Weller Antique 107. Eagle Rare is good too and usually no more than $50. If you like rye, Smoke Wagon Rye is excellent.

If you are fortunate enough to find them for under $100, any of the other WL Weller line is incredible. For $40-$50, Special Reserve is incredible. Weller Full Proof or Weller 12 year are also wonderful. Single Barrel and CYPB are really good, although those go for $400+ on secondary.
 
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Most of my friends are really into IPA's. Not my thing but I can understand why people like it.

I don't drink a ton of beer anymore, mostly just bourbon. Really into collecting these days. It was wine for a long time and don't get me wrong, I still appreciate a nice cab or glass of sherry, but it isn't the same as it once was. I suppose things just change as you get older.
When I was in college & just after, I LOVED IPAs

Harder to find back then (showing my age)... but I used to drink Stone, Hazed & Infused & I wanna say Hop Insanity or something.

I must've OD on them... can't stand them now :laugh:

Recommendations? Try to keep it under $100 lol.

Personally, liking Basil Hayden's Dark Rye.
Four Roses is good for the price tag.

Buffalo Trace if you can find it... they seem to always be sold out
 
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So, I agree with everything. Cheese slice is the deciding factor, as is margharita if it's a wood/coal fired oven. It's sort of the same for me with chicken parm as well. If a place has a good chicken parm then the rest is usually good.

My Aunt actually got me into Vodka sauce pizza. She used to get a side of broccolli rabe and put it on the slice before she ate it. It was amazing.
Next time you're in NYC, "Sauce" on the LES makes a Chicken Parm hero that is other-worldly. Served on house made bread that has the perfect crunch.

Barstool gave their pizza a 9.1...that was a giant overreach, I rated it more like a 7.5.... but that Chicken Parm is worth a trip from anywhere.

Edit....I just checked the menu & they only offer it for brunch on Saturdays & Sunday. Lame.
 

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I'm not a fan of IPA's personally.

They just blew up because craft breweries started popping up left and right and the hipster shits that drive all the "buzz" in urban areas loved craft breweries because they were the little guy.

Personally I've always loved craft breweries because sometimes they try some crazy shit (and it's really good), I really like supporting small businesses, and because most "big beer" is just really bland.

Anyway, I know this because at one time I considered trying to launch a brewery. Always said, half kidding, but 100% truthfully, we needed "four horsemen" to run it - we needed a businessman with a background in the other 3 areas (me), a logistics and distribution expert (one of my best friends), a hospitality expert (we didn't have this person), and a beer nerd...the kind of person who gets a boner thinking about obtaining the perfect pH in a brew and talks to his yeast like it can hear him (we had someone who could be this person, but he's just not into brewing unfortunately).

So, because I researched this, I actually know the costs are substantial and (at least in NY state) basically there is almost one year where a place has to be fully built and operational, but not a drop of revenue is coming in, brewing can't legally start, and the entire business is just on hold waiting for permits to be approved, but the juice is pumping on whatever finance you've used to get this far. The cost of getting that far is 1.5 million in an affordable state, and a minimum of 3 million in NY State, and that assumes the smallest possible scale that can support a basic brewpub.

Because so many craft breweries started between 2005-2015 in particular, and many did try to ball on a budget, it stands to reason they'd favor IPAs. The fermentation process is much quicker, doesn't require as much refrigeration, and the cycle from brew day to monetization is that much quicker, allowing a beleaguered business that has just survived The Wait (TM) to monetize opening day faster. It also lowers the amount of storage tanks required, simplifies inventory planning, and much, much more.

The craft breweries were geniuses and marketed this to perfection as IPAs became the "trendy" beer - but the reality of the situation was this was just some of the easier styles for them to make. Historically, the construction of IPA's made it good for shipment without spoiling, this had advantages for craft breweries as well. The more IBUs (bitterness) in the beer, the less degradation in taste would be noticed if the beer stayed around for a while if a particular style wasn't as popular - helped reduce waste.

Nothing against the businesses for doing this - it was actually pretty freaking genius - but I've never really cared for the taste of IPAs and all the buzz didn't change it. I understand why they did it from a business perspective, but it's just not my thing.

Of course the hipsters who wrote all that prose in praise of craft beer didn't understand the business side of what was going on, but it helped launch the craft beer industry into prominence so I'm certainly not mad about it (I just never miss a chance to mock hipsters), but what's telling is what the most successful brewers ended up doing right after - they reinvested profits immediately and began diversifying their offers and expanding into other types of beer - including the more refrigeration, storage, and time intensive lagers - to appeal to a broader customer base. Those are my favorite craft breweries to support because there is ALWAYS something interesting and different, no matter what you're in the mood for.
 

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I'm really into anything from Buffalo Trace right now. I'll post a picture of my collection one day but under $100? I'd say go for EH Taylor Small Batch or Weller Antique 107. Eagle Rare is good too and usually no more than $50. If you like rye, Smoke Wagon Rye is excellent.

If you are fortunate enough to find them for under $100, any of the other WL Weller line is incredible. For $40-$50, Special Reserve is incredible. Weller Full Proof or Weller 12 year are also wonderful. Single Barrel and CYPB are really good, although those go for $400+ on secondary.

Looks like they are all pretty difficult to find. I'm not doing the Total Wine "Priority Access" nonsense. My local liquor stores suck but I'll take a look and cross my fingers lol.
 

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When I was in college & just after, I LOVED IPAs

Harder to find back then (showing my age)... but I used to drink Stone, Hazed & Infused & I wanna say Hop Insanity or something.

I must've OD on them... can't stand them now :laugh:


Four Roses is good for the price tag.

Buffalo Trace if you can find it... they seem to always be sold out
Four Roses is the only one I can't stand! I know everyone loves it... just not my thing.
Looks like they are all pretty difficult to find. I'm not doing the Total Wine "Priority Access" nonsense. My local liquor stores suck but I'll take a look and cross my fingers lol.
They are not easy. But for under $100, they are delicious. Something that might be a bit easier if you have a total wine near you is just regular smoke wagon.


That is also very good if you like bourbon aged in different casks.
 

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Next time you're in NYC, "Sauce" on the LES makes a Chicken Parm hero that is other-worldly. Served on house made bread that has the perfect crunch.

Barstool gave their pizza a 9.1...that was a giant overreach, I rated it more like a 7.5.... but that Chicken Parm is worth a trip from anywhere.

Edit....I just checked the menu & they only offer it for brunch on Saturdays & Sunday. Lame.
Sounds like it's worth the trip. Thanks.

I never should have read this thread. Makes me miss the good food from home. Colorado Springs doesn't exactly have the most amazing food. Everything is decent at best in the Italian, Mexican, and especially Asian flavors. Can't even get a good order of wings.
 

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Sounds like it's worth the trip. Thanks.

I never should have read this thread. Makes me miss the good food from home. Colorado Springs doesn't exactly have the most amazing food. Everything is decent at best in the Italian, Mexican, and especially Asian flavors. Can't even get a good order of wings.
I feel your pain. I just moved back east after living out in Nevada & California for almost 15 years. I never appreciated good food or realized how spoiled we all are back here until I left NYC for good in 2007.

Dining anywhere out west is always a dicey proposition. I would always set my expectations so low...I've left so many restaurants questioning how they're still in business. Every once in awhile you get lucky & find a good place...those places quickly become part of your regular dining routine.
 

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