Post-Game Talk: Helmet toss

[zlev]

I'm gonna say it. Panarin is Kovalchuk 2.0 and will probably bounce the moment he is asked to do something for the team rather than pandering to his needs. The only reason he hasn't bounced to Russia is the shit going down over there.

I think it's more the 11mil per year he's getting here? to play for a world class organization?

I don't know where the "Panarin is selfish" shit comes from other than that he's Russian. he seems like a team guy to me. he isn't playing like he was in 19-20 but he is still the best forward on the team.

 

[Baby Punisher]

this team quit.... in December

The fact that they didn't respond to Trouba is all you need to know.

Pathetic and embarrassing. I'd throw stuff on the ice if I were at MSG

It's intresting to note that Kreider has been quiet this season as compared to last year with being the cheerleader. He is letting Trouba be the Captain and it's not working out.

 

[SA16]

I don't know where the "Panarin is selfish" shit comes from other than that he's Russian. he seems like a team guy to me. he isn't playing like he was in 19-20 but he is still the best forward on the team.

This board always hates the best forward on the team. Panarin, Nash, Gaborik. Everyone other than Jagr pretty much.

 

[Baby Punisher]

They were line mates in 2001.

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He was drafted in 98. Like I said, Messier wasn't there when Smith drafted Malholtra. By 2001 he had been in the league a couple of years.

I think it's more the 11mil per year he's getting here? to play for a world class organization?

I don't know where the "Panarin is selfish" shit comes from other than that he's Russian. he seems like a team guy to me. he isn't playing like he was in 19-20 but he is still the best forward on the team.

Bread is doing everything he can. I wish he would shoot more, but when I watch the way teams defend him they clog the middle, forcing him outside and give him nothing to shoot at.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

This board always hates the best forward on the team. Panarin, Nash, Gaborik. Everyone other than Jagr pretty much.

I think people were down on Jagr, too. The sentiment among Ranger fans was not to resign the guy.

 

[JHS]

Of course it's on the coach!

Giving minutes to players who don't deserve it, not calling time outs when this team is stuck in mud, no accountability towards players, which is why you still had this fool trying to spin some positives after a loss.

Trouba has been playing like shit, but as a captain, he did what he had to do to wake this team up, and there is a reason why he was pissed off at his bench.

This attitude from the players, the funk that we're in, why nothing is gelling, a little bit ridiculous to say that's on our captain.

Did not say it was on the captain. I said it’s not on the coach to motivate these losers into playing better by doing stupid “high school coach” type tactics. They don’t work with professional athletes and these guys shouting for them are lost.

You want to see guys play better? Help build their confidence. Watch them stop hitting posts and get better goaltending and this team will turn around without Gallant doing anything.

The issue is the country club atmosphere the players have created here. All these guys on long term deals just enjoying the city and playing hockey when they feel like it— not on the schedule of games.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Did not say it was on the captain. I said it’s not on the coach to motivate these losers into playing better by doing stupid “high school coach” type tactics. They don’t work with professional athletes and these guys shouting for them are lost.

You want to see guys play better? Help build their confidence. Watch them stop hitting posts and get better goaltending and this team will turn around without Gallant doing anything.

The issue is the country club atmosphere the players have created here. All these guys on long term deals just enjoying the city and playing hockey when they feel like it— not on the schedule of games.

You are talking about a guy who let's players do their thing, is patehtic at making adjustments, and always eyes the younger players at getting less ice time.

The PP is in a flux. What adjustments has he made?

And you consider it "high school antics" if he makes a player or two sit out a few games, or to actually rip a few players who deserve it?

Then we don't have a coach. We have a stand-in collecting a paycheck.

 

[bleedblue94]

He likely could write his ticket to anywhere with regard to hockey broadcasting these days . He is ready for another level . He would be a great catch for TSN or Sportsnet .

I get the feeling he really likes it where he is so long as the network doesn't start trying to control what he can say. He does a fantastic job, absolutely fantastic

 

[Brief Candle]

Did not say it was on the captain. I said it’s not on the coach to motivate these losers into playing better by doing stupid “high school coach” type tactics. They don’t work with professional athletes and these guys shouting for them are lost.

You want to see guys play better? Help build their confidence. Watch them stop hitting posts and get better goaltending and this team will turn around without Gallant doing anything.

The issue is the country club atmosphere the players have created here. All these guys on long term deals just enjoying the city and playing hockey when they feel like it— not on the schedule of games.

I cannot agree with the country club atmosphere enough. I said it in another thread, but I actually believe this is the kind of team that needs a Torts-type coach that doesn't give a f*** who they think they are. I'm tired of watching such weak performances. You can't win every game, but you can at least play with some f***ing passion.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I cannot agree with the country club atmosphere enough. I said it in another thread, but I actually believe this is the kind of team that needs a Torts-type coach that doesn't give a f*** who they think they are. I'm tired of watching such weak performances. You can't win every game, but you can at least play with some f***ing passion.

No passion from most of this group. Even the youth are scared to have passion. I thought Lafy had that in juniors. he is a physical player which is good to see. He needs to get stronger in my opinion. Seems weak for his size.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This team simply has too many passengers. On offense especially, It really feels like the only forward on the team who wants the puck and wants do something with it is Chytil. Everyone else is content to just passively float around and maybe the puck will come to them and they’ll try something but maybe not.

Also, it’s an intangible thing but from the outside it just seems like the room is made up of a lot of vanilla players. It doesn’t seem like there’s anyone who has an attitude and wants to be out there being “the guy” and do things.

When your captain who everyone knows is playing hurt and taking a lot of public criticism for his poor play, is laying people out and fighting 3 times in 2 games and trying to just do something - throwing his helmet at the bench and screaming at them - that really tells you that something is rotten in the room. Whether it’s a coaching staff that doesn’t hold anyone accountable or a room full of kids who are content to just come and play but not really care, I’m not sure. But Trouba’s effort basicslly resulted in a whimper from his team with one or two mediocre shifts. Then right back to shit. And sure, Trouba takes a penalty to lead to the 4th goal, but it was off a careless Panarin turnover.

Something is rotten in the room.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I cannot agree with the country club atmosphere enough. I said it in another thread, but I actually believe this is the kind of team that needs a Torts-type coach that doesn't give a f*** who they think they are. I'm tired of watching such weak performances. You can't win every game, but you can at least play with some f***ing passion.

Trotz may not be a screamer like Torts but he’s a guy who demands the respect of his players and plays with a very strict structure , which is something we definitely need

 

[RangersFan1994]

This team simply has too many passengers. On offense especially, It really feels like the only forward on the team who wants the puck and wants do something with it is Chytil. Everyone else is content to just passively float around and maybe the puck will come to them and they’ll try something but maybe not.

Also, it’s an intangible thing but from the outside it just seems like the room is made up of a lot of vanilla players. It doesn’t seem like there’s anyone who has an attitude and wants to be out there being “the guy” and do things.

When your captain who everyone knows is playing hurt and taking a lot of public criticism for his poor play, is laying people out and fighting 3 times in 2 games and trying to just do something - throwing his helmet at the bench and screaming at them - that really tells you that something is rotten in the room. Whether it’s a coaching staff that doesn’t hold anyone accountable or a room full of kids who are content to just come and play but not really care, I’m not sure. But Trouba’s effort basicslly resulted in a whimper from his team with one or two mediocre shifts. Then right back to shit. And sure, Trouba takes a penalty to lead to the 4th goal, but it was off a careless Panarin turnover.

Something is rotten in the room.

Do you think any players are gambling against their own team? Why else would they want to play so bad and or not even give a shit?

 

[Taluss]

The screamer coach mentality is so overrated . That only works so long. If you get yelled at all the time it turns into normal and the effect lessens

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

No passion from most of this group. Even the youth are scared to have passion. I thought Lafy had that in juniors. he is a physical player which is good to see. He needs to get stronger in my opinion. Seems weak for his size.

When he plays with passion, he often takes offensive zone penalties. Growing pains of dealing with a young kid with that kind of playstyle.

And then he's one of the only people on the team singled out for it publicly afterwards.

He was described by one scout prior to being drafted as Ovechkin's playstyle with the potential skillset of Pastrnak.

Can you imagine the '06 Caps or the Bruins taking that tact with either player?

The screamer coach mentality is so overrated . That only works so long. If you get yelled at all the time it turns into normal and the effect lessens

Thank you. I'm so sick of the glorifying of this. It doesn't work. Some of the best coaches in history have never managed this way.

Scotty Bowman is widely considered the best coach in NHL history and I don't ever recall him throwing a temper tantrum. Temper tantrums show a coach is not in control - a coach who typically expects his players to be in control on the ice. Pot meet kettle is not a long term coaching strategy.

But Scotty Bowman absolutely would sit your ass if you weren't doing the right things on the ice.

 

[RangersFan1994]

When he plays with passion, he often takes offensive zone penalties. Growing pains of dealing with a young kid with that kind of playstyle.

And then he's one of the only people on the team singled out for it publicly afterwards.

He was described by one scout prior to being drafted as Ovechkin's playstyle with the potential skillset of Pastrnak.

Can you imagine the '06 Caps or the Bruins taking that tact with either player?

He has stuck up for teammates in his short career so at least he does that. I wish others would take notice. Never gonna happen with Mika and Panarin. Get these soft leaders out of here. Mika too predictable with that one-timer on the powerplay. Need another move. He’s not Ovechkin.

 

[gravey9]

This team simply has too many passengers. On offense especially, It really feels like the only forward on the team who wants the puck and wants do something with it is Chytil. Everyone else is content to just passively float around and maybe the puck will come to them and they’ll try something but maybe not.

Also, it’s an intangible thing but from the outside it just seems like the room is made up of a lot of vanilla players. It doesn’t seem like there’s anyone who has an attitude and wants to be out there being “the guy” and do things.

When your captain who everyone knows is playing hurt and taking a lot of public criticism for his poor play, is laying people out and fighting 3 times in 2 games and trying to just do something - throwing his helmet at the bench and screaming at them - that really tells you that something is rotten in the room. Whether it’s a coaching staff that doesn’t hold anyone accountable or a room full of kids who are content to just come and play but not really care, I’m not sure. But Trouba’s effort basicslly resulted in a whimper from his team with one or two mediocre shifts. Then right back to shit. And sure, Trouba takes a penalty to lead to the 4th goal, but it was off a careless Panarin turnover.

Something is rotten in the room.

I agree that no one, save Chytil, is bothering to attack in the O zone. But that's not because all the players are vanilla. It's happening because when the players get to dictate how they play once in the O zone, then everyone, just so they can start getting into a flow with each other, starts emulating what the top players are doing. They're all playing that way because they're all trying to figure out how to play with Bread, Mika and Kreids. People wanna know why the Kid Line became a thing again this year? It's because Gallant was trying to quarantine Mike, Kreids and Breads' style of play from infecting the whole forward unit. But it's failed. So, now you have 3 lines playing like Bread and Mika. And one line playing a more honest game -- the 4th line (well, when Blais actually chooses to manage the puck well). So, it's just become this way of playing for the whole roster. Do your fancy stuff in open space -- which means stay to the outiside of the rink like a bunch of speed skaters.

We cannot keep this core of older vets if we insist on having a coach who defers to them and doesn't have the ability to get through to them that this style of play is hurting the team. We need a coach with a plan that's a little better than what Gallant is doing. And i say this, I can't help but go, yeah you're talking abotu what David Quinn asked, but no one listened. So, i dunno. I dunno. I am open to trading a core vet piece or two, I'm not open to trading a younger piece. And i'm open to a coaching change if that coach comes in and actually nurtures the youth - -because honestly, they are the only hope for the long term success of the franchise.

 

[SA16]

He has stuck up for teammates in his short career so at least he does that. I wish others would take notice. Never gonna happen with Mika and Panarin. Get these soft leaders out of here. Mika too predictable with that one-timer on the powerplay. Need another move. He’s not Ovechkin.

He's been a better 5v4 goal scorer than Ovechkin ever since his second season as a Ranger. Hasn't really been all that close either.

 

[CLW]

I cannot agree with the country club atmosphere enough. I said it in another thread, but I actually believe this is the kind of team that needs a Torts-type coach that doesn't give a f*** who they think they are. I'm tired of watching such weak performances. You can't win every game, but you can at least play with some f***ing passion.

Torts left scorched earth and smoking ruins behind him in Columbus. His final season there was a disaster where he burnt out his players severely. That's not coaching.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I think it's more the 11mil per year he's getting here? to play for a world class organization?

I don't know where the "Panarin is selfish" shit comes from other than that he's Russian. he seems like a team guy to me. he isn't playing like he was in 19-20 but he is still the best forward on the team.

You mean the 11 mil per year power play specialist? The one that will try to backhand pass through 4 sticks and fail? Refuses to shoot when he's open in the slot.

He got paid and stopped back checking. He's dictating his linemates which is blocking ice time from the kids who need it for development. That's how we end up Dryden Hunt, Blackwell, Etc

Imagine if we took that 11 mil and had a real 1 LD. Or a Player that wasn't allergic to the middle of the ice.

His contract is costing us depth through the lineup for a 1 dimensional pp specialist who got completely nullified in the playoffs.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Torts left scorched earth and smoking ruins behind him in Columbus. His final season there was a disaster where he burnt out his players severely. That's not coaching.

Exactly, which is why he always has a shelf life.

It gets young, hungry players to buy in and become his coach's pets for a little while, but inevitably the realities of an NHL career catch up, and when you suck playing through nagging injuries and now the coach starts yelling at you, there's a part of you that will turn around and say - you know what, I busted my ass for this guy for years, f*** this asshole.

Which is exactly what's happened with him everywhere he's coached.

This douche is only 25 games into his Flyers career and has already compared one of the team's first round picks to a toilet seat.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Exactly, which is why he always has a shelf life.

It gets young, hungry players to buy in and become his coach's pets for a little while, but inevitably the realities of an NHL career catch up, and when you suck playing through nagging injuries and now the coach starts yelling at you, there's a part of you that will turn around and say - you know what, I busted my ass for this guy for years, f*** this asshole.

Which is exactly what's happened with him everywhere he's coached.

This douche is only 25 games into his Flyers career and has already compared one of the team's first round picks to a toilet seat.

If that happened with Gallant this roster has more issues. This soft mentality this group has is concerning. I feel a roster move would be best but sadly the have too many contracts where the player controls the options. Great job Drury

 

[SA16]

You mean the 11 mil per year power play specialist? The one that will try to backhand pass through 4 sticks and fail? Refuses to shoot when he's open in the slot.

He got paid and stopped back checking. He's dictating his linemates which is blocking ice time from the kids who need it for development. That's how we end up Dryden Hunt, Blackwell, Etc

Imagine if we took that 11 mil and had a real 1 LD. Or a Player that wasn't allergic to the middle of the ice.

His contract is costing us depth through the lineup for a 1 dimensional pp specialist who got completely nullified in the playoffs.

Calling him a "PP Specialist" just makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Wayne Simmonds was a PP specialist. David Perron is sort of a PP specialist. A player who has scored over 2 pts/60 every single year of his career is not in any way a PP specialist.

If you have complaints that is perfectly fine but making blatant false statements is not. He doesn't go to the middle of the ice. He doesn't shoot as much as he could. He does make a lot of risky passes that turn into overs. He's still an elite 5v5 scorer and has been his whole career.

2020-2021: 6th best pts/60 at 5v5 1000+mins
2021-2022: 27th best pts/60 at 5v5 1000+mins
2022-2023: 54th best pts/60 at 5v5 300+ mins (Yes it's lower. It's also only 25 games. That a higher number than Point,Matthews,Rantanen,Kaprizov,Tavares,Connor,Ovechkin,Meier etc.)

The problem with his 5v5 results this year is very simple. 7.58 sh%. He's been over 10% 4 years in a row. 89.5 sv% which is like he's playing with Joonas Korpisalo as his goalie every game. I don't think Igor Shesterkin is Joonas Korpisalo. But this is hf, and hockey, and we can't accept that not everything has an explanation and that variance is a real thing so we have to go around and find a story for everything. Oh his high danger chances are low and such. Ok, so what? They've been low his entire career. It's not his playstyle.

 

[zukeisgone]

Think it’s the coaching staff…Murphy is the bad cop and Vesey Mika and Kreider had a disgusting look on there faces when he was talking to them in Sen game

 

[Baby Punisher]

I think people were down on Jagr, too. The sentiment among Ranger fans was not to resign the guy.

I don't recall that being thr case at all. I was disappointed when he didn't hit the 39 goal mark that would enable his option year to kick in. I was sad when he left, but I understood why he had to leave.