Post-Game Talk: Helmet toss

[TopShelfSnipes]

I don't recall that being thr case at all. I was disappointed when he didn't hit the 39 goal mark that would enable his option year to kick in. I was sad when he left, but I understood why he had to leave.

He had to leave because they had a ton of money tied up in horrible contracts for Drury and Gomez, and they'd let most of the players he enjoyed playing with go over the years by the end, so he wasn't producing.

Martin Rucinsky was consistently one of the best bargains the Rangers brought in and - THREE TIMES - they let him go. Straka and Nylander were productive players when healthy. Nylander was also one of the best shootout specialist the team had, even though he literally made the same move every time (forehand, backhand top shelf), but it literally always worked. Petr Sykora was decent as a rental, and wasn't brought back.

That offseason, they took money they could have put towards Jagr and signed Wade Redden and the ghost of Markus Naslund Past. And the 08-09 team was one of the weakest scoring squads this team has ever had. Leading scorer? Nik Zherdev.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I don't recall that being thr case at all. I was disappointed when he didn't hit the 39 goal mark that would enable his option year to kick in. I was sad when he left, but I understood why he had to leave.

From what I remember, people were hesitant on paying Jagr because he had lost a step after that first season after the lockout, and we paid Gomez and Drury.

I personally wanted him back because, even though he wasn't scoring, the puck handling and puck control was just ridiculous! Ever since then, we have not had a player replicate something like that.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

From what I remember, people were hesitant on paying Jagr because he had lost a step after that first season after the lockout, and we paid Gomez and Drury.

I personally wanted him back because, even though he wasn't scoring, the puck handling and puck control was just ridiculous! Ever since then, we have not had a player replicate something like that.

Nailed it. In 05-07, he was playing with Nylander and Straka. His scoring was down in 06-07 from 05-06, but let's be real, the entire league adjusted to the rule changes and scoring was down league wide. Still a very strong year though.

By 07-08 he was playing with Gomez and Straka (who missed time with injury). Gomez and his playstyles weren't compatible either. A guy who carries the puck and tries to generate offense off the rush vs. Jagr a guy who is the master of the cycle and protecting the puck, and exploiting passing lanes playing with Gomez a guy who couldn't win a board battle most nights and never thought shoot first except off the rush.

And Jagr still had a pretty good season that year.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

So you agree under GG that he is a bad 5v5 player and is only worse without his boy Strome. He is an absolute liability in his own zone and has been on the ice for almost ever OT goal against.

Does his chuckling while Lindgren is in a scrum with 2 guys look good?

How about when he takes a 90 second shift and then Laf only gets a 15 second shift?

Panarin 3 years ago was worth every penny. Panarin in the same stratosphere salary as McDavid? Not the same impact. He looks slow and has no separation while performing the same predictable moves.

Calling him a "PP Specialist" just makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Wayne Simmonds was a PP specialist. David Perron is sort of a PP specialist. A player who has scored over 2 pts/60 every single year of his career is not in any way a PP specialist.

If you have complaints that is perfectly fine but making blatant false statements is not. He doesn't go to the middle of the ice. He doesn't shoot as much as he could. He does make a lot of risky passes that turn into overs. He's still an elite 5v5 scorer and has been his whole career.

2020-2021: 6th best pts/60 at 5v5 1000+mins
2021-2022: 27th best pts/60 at 5v5 1000+mins
2022-2023: 54th best pts/60 at 5v5 300+ mins (Yes it's lower. It's also only 25 games. That a higher number than Point,Matthews,Rantanen,Kaprizov,Tavares,Connor,Ovechkin,Meier etc.)

The problem with his 5v5 results this year is very simple. 7.58 sh%. He's been over 10% 4 years in a row. 89.5 sv% which is like he's playing with Joonas Korpisalo as his goalie every game. I don't think Igor Shesterkin is Joonas Korpisalo. But this is hf, and hockey, and we can't accept that not everything has an explanation and that variance is a real thing so we have to go around and find a story for everything. Oh his high danger chances are low and such. Ok, so what? They've been low his entire career. It's not his playstyle.

 

[Ail]

And this confirms my comments on radio silence of Lafrenniere’s suckage .

Dude get real, the org is not going to shit on a potential asset even if they aren't happy with him.

 

[Ail]

This board always hates the best forward on the team. Panarin, Nash, Gaborik. Everyone other than Jagr pretty much.

Lazy, floater, can't win with them, can't score, too soft, crumbles under pressure, score all goals in 1 game when it doesn't matter, don't care about winning, contract too long, too much money, suits are ugly, eats wrong food, bad interview, haircut sucks, blew me off at supermarket, name sounds funny, played for another team once, from wrong country, probably smells, blocked me on twitter.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Lazy, floater, can't win with them, can't score, too soft, crumbles under pressure, score all goals in 1 game when it doesn't matter, don't care about winning, contract too long, too much money, suits are ugly, eats wrong food, bad interview, haircut sucks, blew me off at supermarket, name sounds funny, played for another team once, from wrong country, probably smells, blocked me on twitter.

That sounds like some of this current core.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Lazy, floater, can't win with them, can't score, too soft, crumbles under pressure, score all goals in 1 game when it doesn't matter, don't care about winning, contract too long, too much money, suits are ugly, eats wrong food, bad interview, haircut sucks, blew me off at supermarket, name sounds funny, played for another team once, from wrong country, probably smells, blocked me on twitter.

No one said we weren’t trash.

 

[mas0764]

the entire mission right now needs to be to get the kids on line. I do not care what it takes.

They are still going to be good players, my fear is we trade them for a UFA to be rental.... that'd be peak Sather Rongos.

That’s the entire mission for years but three bozos don’t get it. They preferred to cater to a veteran group that clearly wasn’t a Cup winner.

 

[Brief Candle]

The screamer coach mentality is so overrated . That only works so long. If you get yelled at all the time it turns into normal and the effect lessens

I agree, but I also think this team needs a hardass of a coach. at this point. Turk probably rode the wave last season because we won. Now that we're literal garbage, I just don't see how he's going to right the ship.

Shame Othman isn't up. We could use a sparkplug like him right about now.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I agree, but I also think this team needs a hardass of a coach. at this point. Turk probably rode the wave last season because we won. Now that we're literal garbage, I just don't see how he's going to right the ship.

Shame Othman isn't up. We could use a sparkplug like him right about now.

another junior prodigy whose biggest weakness is his skating. yeah, I'm sure he'd be excelling on this team.

 

[McRanger92]

I’ll repeat this in the GDT tomorrow but if this team had any respect for itself they’ll strip Kreider, Mika, Panarin of the A’s and send out Trouba Goodrow Lindgren with letters. Send a message.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

For an organization that loves a good Disney story, the best they could offer fans the past four years is Panarin passing a few pucks to Kravtsov after practice. That is telling. The vets don’t integrate the kids and the coaching staff panders to the vets.

Yup. Rotten veteran core. Wake up Drury and do something. I’ll keep saying it. Kids have no chance to succeed.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I’ll repeat this in the GDT tomorrow but if this team had any respect for itself they’ll strip Kreider, Mika, Panarin of the A’s and send out Trouba Goodrow Lindgren with letters. Send a message.

That’s about as far as GG will have to go to save his ass at this point. It won’t happen and he’ll be fired shortly.

 

[McRanger92]

That’s about as far as GG will have to go to save his ass at this point. It won’t happen and he’ll be fired shortly.

Gallant still being employed at this moment is a joke. I know there’s a bunch of apologists out there (rightfully) blaming Panarin and co, but GG has the power to limit all their ice time and he’d rather start the backup 2/3 must win games and blame the posts and say “we played hard” than address the real issue Trouba had the balls to point out postgame. He’s a terrible coach.

 

[zlev]

He got paid and stopped back checking. He's dictating his linemates which is blocking ice time from the kids who need it for development. That's how we end up Dryden Hunt, Blackwell, Etc

no it isn't. this is a myth. there has never been anything corroborated that he dictates who is on his line. he's played on a line with almost everyone on the goddamn roster this season. it's a thing this board has made up in their own heads that now goes around as a fact. it was the stupid ass coaches that put Blackwell and Hunt with him for extended periods of time. the same way that Vesey is playing on the first line, or did Panarin dictate that too?

your other points are fair, but none of them speak to him "probably running off to Russia without the things going on there". that is just made up bullshit. there's nothing he's done that makes him seem selfish or not a team player.

 

[egelband]

Valy now talking about needing a trade to shake things up

I feel like this team needs to look in the mirror and figure things out. A trade is just a distraction. Same with a coaching change. It deflects the blame and the attention. If I’m Drury I would tell these guys they’ve got to figure it out. Gallant needs to be told to play the guys most who are playing the best.

…easier said than done, of course. But no one said it’s easy.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Gallant still being employed at this moment is a joke. I know there’s a bunch of apologists out there (rightfully) blaming Panarin and co, but GG has the power to limit all their ice time and he’d rather start the backup 2/3 must win games and blame the posts and say “we played hard” than address the real issue Trouba had the balls to point out postgame. He’s a terrible coach.

Gallant is trying to win games to save his job, i can't blame him. Maybe if he had full support of management he could do that stuff but as much as I'd love to see it, its likely not happening .

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Shit, if we're gonna play it like that, then Zibs and Panarin should get a pass as well.

Both have 28 points and lead the team in points, and last season, Panarin was the only player to crack over 90 points, and Zibs was 2nd on the team with 81.

....

He isn't and shouldn't be immune from criticism. Him celebrating non-goals is getting sad in it's own right.

I never said he should be immune and I think practically everyone deserves some criticism for this teams play but I believe he gets way too much for what he produces. People were bitching about him last year and he scored 52 goals. Are you Fing kidding me? He's got almost as much even strength points as Laf and Kakko combined. I think Mika gets too much as well. Too many guys on this team don't score yet we constantly bitch about the guys who actually put the puck in the net.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Do you think any players are gambling against their own team? Why else would they want to play so bad and or not even give a shit?

I don't think anything that sinister is at play. My guess is it's a combination of frustration causing them to spiral and play worse, complacency with some of the roster and a lack of killer instinct alpha types who want to take the bull by the horns - instead too many players in the room looking around thinking someone else is "going to do it" so to speak.

Between Trouba's helmet throw and screaming at the bench and his postgame comments, it really seems like something is wrong in the room.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

another junior prodigy whose biggest weakness is his skating. yeah, I'm sure he'd be excelling on this team.

Not saying he'll be in the same stratosphere as a player, but that's what everyone said about Jason Robertson, that his skating wasn't good enough.

Othmann at the very least seems like a player with the right amount of arrogance to his game. He has a lot of piss and vinegar to his game on the ice and I mean that in the best way possible. He plays with a huge chip on his shoulder which is something this current roster is missing. Something that basically all of our high draft picks in particular are missing.

 

[2014nyr]

Yup. Rotten veteran core. Wake up Drury and do something. I’ll keep saying it. Kids have no chance to succeed.

what can he do re the veteran core though? we gave them all no moves hah.

i suppose we could start sitting them and pushing them down the lineup which i fully endorse. i wouldn't give "pp1" a second of pp icetime for at least a game.

gallant is an option people love to cite but i don't know if that does anything, unless you have a guy you KNOW is the guy and know you can get him. to me though doing that right now though means you're not doing a thorough search of the full landscape, you're going with a proven name...ie trotz or quennville. i dont think trotz is the answer with this roster, and quenneville has league issues - not sure any approval for reinstatement could be handled without it getting out before you let gg go. plus lets be real, nyc especially would be a place that would have a good number of people react negatively to q....hell you'd have people who don't even know what hockey is catch wind of the chi accusations and lose their collective sht.

other than that you can move the kids, which i completely disagree with full stop, but to do it now would be about the dumbest possible move given they'd be getting pennies on the dollar return.

and then ancillary pieces and what should be untouchable pieces like carpenter, blais, mayyyybe goodrow could be pushed out, vesey, lindgren (NO), igor, hajek,

of course there's prospect capital but we don't have the cap to use that on anything that matters.

so gg, but again extremely limited options midseason unless drury has a roll the dice name in mind that probably puts both of their necks on the line if it doesn't work by this spring. kids for sht return and don't open enough cap for higher end vet player, guys who just can't be moved (lindy/igor/fox), guys who don't have any real value or free cap space.

so kinda feels like more or less, what we got is what we got. it's not like this roster isn't far better than their record so they can turn it around bigly. but with the lack of care, response, effort, progress to this point they need a real come to jesus moment to get this thing turned around. it does happen, but the odds certainly aren't favorable historically. last year was fun at least, but this is more in line with what we're used to with the rangers.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Yup. Rotten veteran core. Wake up Drury and do something. I’ll keep saying it. Kids have no chance to succeed.

No one wants this rotten core. Pathetic leadership by most here and it is showing. Drury and co will blame the kids etc the Rangers way. I wont be shocked if both Lafy Kakko and Jones already requested trades privately. By their play it is showing

 

[Baby Punisher]

He had to leave because they had a ton of money tied up in horrible contracts for Drury and Gomez, and they'd let most of the players he enjoyed playing with go over the years by the end, so he wasn't producing.

Martin Rucinsky was consistently one of the best bargains the Rangers brought in and - THREE TIMES - they let him go. Straka and Nylander were productive players when healthy. Nylander was also one of the best shootout specialist the team had, even though he literally made the same move every time (forehand, backhand top shelf), but it literally always worked. Petr Sykora was decent as a rental, and wasn't brought back.

That offseason, they took money they could have put towards Jagr and signed Wade Redden and the ghost of Markus Naslund Past. And the 08-09 team was one of the weakest scoring squads this team has ever had. Leading scorer? Nik Zherdev.

Nylander signed a ridiculous contract with the Caps that he never lived up too.
Martin Rucinsky Played 90 games over 2 seasons with the blues and put up 17 goals and 49 points. He went back to Europe and was never heard from again.
Straka went back to Europe after his contract with the Rangers expired.

We dodged 3 bullets by letting these guys go when we did.

These departures had more to do with these players who were at the end of their NHL careers and looking to cash in one last big payday in Europe.

Naslund's one year with the Rangers was respectable.
Redden was a waste of cap space.

Nailed it. In 05-07, he was playing with Nylander and Straka. His scoring was down in 06-07 from 05-06, but let's be real, the entire league adjusted to the rule changes and scoring was down league wide. Still a very strong year though.

By 07-08 he was playing with Gomez and Straka (who missed time with injury). Gomez and his playstyles weren't compatible either. A guy who carries the puck and tries to generate offense off the rush vs. Jagr a guy who is the master of the cycle and protecting the puck, and exploiting passing lanes playing with Gomez a guy who couldn't win a board battle most nights and never thought shoot first except off the rush.

And Jagr still had a pretty good season that year.

He was also recovering from off-season shoulder surgery. He probably should have stayed out until November. But he was about to be named Captain and wanted to be back on opening night.

 

[Nyr88nyg]

Major shake ups are needed, and fast