Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[KingBogo]

No he isn't - you might like him to be but until he has shown anyone that he can play NHL minutes, he's below both these guys.
I have to laugh at how we as fans think we determine where a player sits on the depth chart - especially one that isn't even playing

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This is a pretty accurate read. My best guess is the organization still believes in their draft pick but he hasn’t earned anything yet. Arniel seems very open to giving him a good look which is great. But it won’t be an automatic roster spot.

 

[TS Quint]

We'll have to agree to disagree I suppose. I saw a team that couldn't keep up to the Avs speed.

In what way? How many goals were scored on screens and rebounds vs. what you are talking about? I’m not going to speak for you but you’re not being very specific.

 

[cneely]

In what way? How many goals were scored on screens and rebounds vs. what you are talking about? I’m not going to speak for you but you’re not being very specific.

Not sure what you're looking for here. A goal by goal recap?

In general, IMO, the Avs controlled the play because of their speed.

 

[Jet]

In what way? How many goals were scored on screens and rebounds vs. what you are talking about? I’m not going to speak for you but you’re not being very specific.

Yup - a high percentage of Avs goals in that series were just driving their big bodies to the net and then screening, tipping and tapping in rebounds.

The Jets couldn't break their cycle, nor could they give Helle eyes.

Yes, mobile defensemen who can make a quick play to evade or advance the puck can help in that scenario, but big D that can snuff out big forwards in a cycle and clear the front of the net is what we really needed. I think you need a mix of both to be successful.

 

[surixon]

Yup - a high percentage of Avs goals in that series were just driving their big bodies to the net and then screening, tipping and tapping in rebounds.

The Jets couldn't break their cycle, nor could they give Helle eyes.

Yes, mobile defensemen who can make a quick play to evade or advance the puck can help in that scenario, but big D that can snuff out big forwards in a cycle and clear the front of the net is what we really needed. I think you need a mix of both to be successful.

I just think the Avs are probably our worst matchup in the league. Their elite players upfront have size and all world speed and athleticism. Makes it really hard to defend them.

 

[TS Quint]

Not sure what you're looking for here. A goal by goal recap?

In general, IMO, the Avs controlled the play because of their speed.

I’m asking in what way did they use their speed? Maybe specifically Vs our defenders where Heinola is going to make a difference. Where was that speed in the regular season?

 

[Jets 31]

I just think the Avs are probably our worst matchup in the league. Their elite players upfront have size and all world speed and athleticism. Makes it really hard to defend them.

I have read fans of other teams saying the exact same thing about the Jets.I like reading other teams forums sometimes because we as Jets fans can get a little picky about the Jets because we watch them all the time.

 

[surixon]

I have read fans of other teams saying the exact same thing about the Jets.

Yup, we are a real good team that is a tough out for most everyone else.

 

[Jets 31]

Yup, we are a real good team that is a tough out for most everyone else.

You should read LA's forum, to say they aren't happy about the Dubois trade is a understatement. Mind you if that trade was reversed i would feel the same way.

 

[Buffdog]

I’m asking in what way did they use their speed? Maybe specifically Vs our defenders where Heinola is going to make a difference. Where was that speed in the regular season?

It was their pressure on the puck in the corners

A mobile d man with a good first pass who can get to the puck first, make a pass and get a controlled exit would have been huge

Instead, our d were getting to the puck under pressure, turning around, and flipping it out to the neutral zone and the Avs were counter-attacking. Most of their goals (IIRC) were either on those counter attacks, sustained pressure after them, or on the PP if we took a penalty because we got tired running around during that pressure

I think that Toby is overrated on here a bit (we DO have extra love for the little fellas on HFJets) but he was a wizard at puck retrievals and first passes. I'd be very happy if Ville even turns into a poor man's version of him

 

[Howard Chuck]

It was their pressure on the puck in the corners

A mobile d man with a good first pass who can get to the puck first, make a pass and get a controlled exit would have been huge

Instead, our d were getting to the puck under pressure, turning around, and flipping it out to the neutral zone and the Avs were counter-attacking. Most of their goals (IIRC) were either on those counter attacks, sustained pressure after them, or on the PP if we took a penalty because we got tired running around during that pressure

I think that Toby is overrated on here a bit (we DO have extra love for the little fellas on HFJets) but he was a wizard at puck retrievals and first passes. I'd be very happy if Ville even turns into a poor man's version of him

I agree with all of this. Also I remember Ville in his small sample of nhl games being very good at boxing out opposing dmen in front of our goal. That way he didn’t need to physically move them.

He’s a smart kid and hopefully he can live up to the hype. I’m rooting for him.

 

[TS Quint]

It was their pressure on the puck in the corners

A mobile d man with a good first pass who can get to the puck first, make a pass and get a controlled exit would have been huge

Instead, our d were getting to the puck under pressure, turning around, and flipping it out to the neutral zone and the Avs were counter-attacking. Most of their goals (IIRC) were either on those counter attacks, sustained pressure after them, or on the PP if we took a penalty because we got tired running around during that pressure

I think that Toby is overrated on here a bit (we DO have extra love for the little fellas on HFJets) but he was a wizard at puck retrievals and first passes. I'd be very happy if Ville even turns into a poor man's version of him

Villie is going to be significantly better in this respect, than Morrissey, DeMelo, Pionk or even Schmitt?

Are the only 2 positive +/- players, Dillon/Miller on the Jets defense really that much faster than the rest? I think their strengths are in other areas.

This all seems like we are at a starting point of what we think Heinola’s strength is and working backwards.

 

[surixon]

Villie is going to be significantly better in this respect, than Morrissey, DeMelo, Pionk or even Schmitt?

Are the only 2 positive +/- players, Dillon/Miller on the Jets defense really that much faster than the rest? I think their strengths are in other areas.

This all seems like we are at a starting point of what we think Heinola’s strength is and working backwards.

Pionk is pretty mediocre in this regard so it wouldn't surprise me if Ville is better then him after getting acclimatized. He won't touch JoMo who is by far our best dmen in this regard.

 

[Buffdog]

Villie is going to be significantly better in this respect, than Morrissey, DeMelo, Pionk or even Schmitt?

Are the only 2 positive +/- players, Dillon/Miller on the Jets defense really that much faster than the rest? I think their strengths are in other areas.

This all seems like we are at a starting point of what we think Heinola’s strength is and working backwards.

Let's give Ville a good run in rhe NHL to find out what his stregths and weaknesses really are at that level. As of right now, we're all guessing based on his body of work in the AHL and limited viewings at the NHL level

Being 16-3 gives the Jets the luxury of giving everyone a look at 3LHD leading up to the trade deadline. If nobody grabs it and runs with it (at this point in think they'd probably be looking for an upgrade on both Stan and Fleury), then they can add a guy like Petterson from Pit

 

[macmaroon]

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This is a pretty accurate read. My best guess is the organization still believes in their draft pick but he hasn’t earned anything yet. Arniel seems very open to giving him a good look which is great. But it won’t be an automatic roster spot.

Yeah, just ask Rutger McGroarty...

 

[Jet]

I just think the Avs are probably our worst matchup in the league. Their elite players upfront have size and all world speed and athleticism. Makes it really hard to defend them.

I feel like we could never stem the tide. The rest of their team fed off the way the mackinnon line was playing. They really led by example.

The Jets spent the entire series reacting to what the Avs were doing and never could establish their game

 

[Jets 31]

It was their pressure on the puck in the corners

A mobile d man with a good first pass who can get to the puck first, make a pass and get a controlled exit would have been huge

Instead, our d were getting to the puck under pressure, turning around, and flipping it out to the neutral zone and the Avs were counter-attacking. Most of their goals (IIRC) were either on those counter attacks, sustained pressure after them, or on the PP if we took a penalty because we got tired running around during that pressure

I think that Toby is overrated on here a bit (we DO have extra love for the little fellas on HFJets) but he was a wizard at puck retrievals and first passes. I'd be very happy if Ville even turns into a poor man's version of him

I agree with all of this plus lets face it Helly was not very good. Put all of that together and we didn't have a chance.