Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[Jets]

wonder what happens when healthy

morrissey-demelo stay together
id go schmidt-dillon - those two rate quite well together the last 2 years. pionk with dillon has just rated too poor defensively for my taste. and the offense doesn't make up for it. im all around kinda over watching pionk try and defend in a top-4 role.

ill admit though: this was my top-4 in the summer. and call it bias or whatever, but think this is the best combo of our top-2 pairings we've iced so far.

samberg although has struggled this year does have experience and chemistry with heinola. heinola-pionk might be to chaotic in our own zone although it would only be 3rd pair so least-consequential of the 3 pairings. Pionk likely stays in the line-up because vet and $$$.

then there's stanley who is probably another 7-10 days away from skating (based on 2 week time period on Dec 29th). he's only played a few games, but his recent games i thought he was solid after a slower start.

Seems like both Heinola and Pionk could slot into that last RD spot. Maybe we could combine them both in a trade for a top RD... like a Trouba

 

[JetsFan815]

Heinola played great but how can he not get sent down when Schmidt gets back he is the only one eligible and you can’t get rid of needed defensive depth.

The risk of Capo getting claimed is pretty minimal. He hasn't played much this season and there wasn't much demand for him in FA. And remember the claiming team would also need to use a roster spot on him.

I'd keep Heinola up and rotate him and Samberg. A tougher decision would be what to do when Stanley is healthy.

 

[BoneDocUK]

wonder what happens when healthy

morrissey-demelo stay together
id go schmidt-dillon - those two rate quite well together the last 2 years. pionk with dillon has just rated too poor defensively for my taste. and the offense doesn't make up for it. im all around kinda over watching pionk try and defend in a top-4 role.

ill admit though: this was my top-4 in the summer. and call it bias or whatever, but think this is the best combo of our top-2 pairings we've iced so far.

samberg although has struggled this year does have experience and chemistry with heinola. heinola-pionk might be to chaotic in our own zone although it would only be 3rd pair so least-consequential of the 3 pairings. Pionk likely stays in the line-up because vet and $$$.

then there's stanley who is probably another 7-10 days away from skating (based on 2 week time period on Dec 29th). he's only played a few games, but his recent games i thought he was solid after a slower start.

Agree that Pionk has been mediocre at best once again, and on safari in his own zone way too much of the time, but expect him to stay exactly where he is due to a combo of his contract and vet status. It's disappointing, because I've enjoyed his play before and hoped he might continue on an upward trajectory to a top 4 D with some scoring chops and an edge to his already pesky game that adds a bit of value.

I think Stanley, as a known commodity with some passing upside and wingspan is a better bet than Capoccino going forward. Not sure I'd sit either Heinola or Samberg longterm for him but it's gonna happen, and having some depth for the POs is always a good idea.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Pionk is the most expensive expendable on the back end. Heinola is everything he can be, but cheaper.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Pionk is the most expensive expendable on the back end. Heinola is everything he can be, but cheaper.

Pionk has a lot more bite and nastiness. We need to slow down on the Heinola hype. He has 1 point in 5 games. He could be good and be a top 4 player, he looks promising, but let’s not get too carried away.

 

[LowLefty]

Pionk is the most expensive expendable on the back end. Heinola is everything he can be, but cheaper.

Him or Smitty - they are close enough money wise (and for what they bring) -
If the objective was to get Ville in the lineup now as a fixture, one of those 2 should go -

But, that discussion has been had - and there are couple of different camps on the approach.
Leave the vets in place and use the experience to take a run (all things talent wise being equal or close).
And two, move Ville in now, move out a vet, and make this more about getting Ville in the lineup.

One of the main pain points between the two camps is whether or not Ville can be trusted to fill in for one of these guys full time, against all competition, and be a PO performer - and why take the chance?
Or, keep what you know and feel potentially safer on the back end going into a potential PO run. And Ville is the call up.

If we ever get to a place where they all are healthy (which is no given), IMO, we likely go with Stan and Samberg with Ville back to the Moose and Capo in the box.

 

[voyageur]

Pionk is the most expensive expendable on the back end. Heinola is everything he can be, but cheaper.

I guess you can say anything on a forum. But there's no way Heinola's game is anything near what Pionk brings. I mean he just had a good game so people are feeling good about this guy, and the fact he gave up an actual breakaway to Lucic is somehow not even relevant.

 

[surixon]

Pionk has a lot more bite and nastiness. We need to slow down on the Heinola hype. He has 1 point in 5 games. He could be good and be a top 4 player, he looks promising, but let’s not get too carried away.

That doesn't mean that much when he's almost always outbof position. Clearly this year the coach won't sit an established player for a rookie due to where we are in the standings but one of Schmidt/Pionk is likely gone this summer. We can't afford two number 4/5's taking up almost $12 million in cap space moving forward if the goal is to keep PLD, Helle and Scheifele.

 

[gojetsgo]

I guess you can say anything on a forum. But there's no way Heinola's game is anything near what Pionk brings. I mean he just had a good game so people are feeling good about this guy, and the fact he gave up an actual breakaway to Lucic is somehow not even relevant.

had lucic had the puck and just blew by him it would be a fair criticism but the puck was flipped in the air and just stopped dead putting heinola in an awkward position

 

[BoneDocUK]

Some interesting content on Ville and young players in general in this clip (TGFB...):

 

[CorgisPer60]

I guess you can say anything on a forum. But there's no way Heinola's game is anything near what Pionk brings. I mean he just had a good game so people are feeling good about this guy, and the fact he gave up an actual breakaway to Lucic is somehow not even relevant.

Because Pionk is a tour de force in the defensive end. *wank motion*

 

[DRW204]

Agree that Pionk has been mediocre at best once again, and on safari in his own zone way too much of the time, but expect him to stay exactly where he is due to a combo of his contract and vet status. It's disappointing, because I've enjoyed his play before and hoped he might continue on an upward trajectory to a top 4 D with some scoring chops and an edge to his already pesky game that adds a bit of value.

I think Stanley, as a known commodity with some passing upside and wingspan is a better bet than Capoccino going forward. Not sure I'd sit either Heinola or Samberg longterm for him but it's gonna happen, and having some depth for the POs is always a good idea.

to me samberg and stanley dont offer much as far as upside or ceiling. id dangle both and see if you can get a similar aged fwd back

 

[voyageur]

Because Pionk is a tour de force in the defensive end. *wank motion*

He's on the PK pretty regularly, with good metrics, so there's that...Pionk isn't sheltered from top competition either. He's definitely better at moving the puck under a heavy forecheck. Can he be better, I'd say that's a definite yes. But to think that Heinola could just step up into his role is a bit much. He's had how many good road games in his career, without matchup protection? You can count them on one hand, it's probably a little early to make such bold assumptions.

 

[voyageur]

to me samberg and stanley dont offer much as far as upside or ceiling. id dangle both and see if you can get a similar aged fwd back

If you want to punt your special into the ground maybe...How many points do you think the Jets have won this year because of special teams victories?

 

[DRW204]

sorry perhaps i worded that a bit vague

id dangle both and see who could return a similarly aged fwd, and keep the other. it is seldom both will be in the line up at once.

If you want to punt your special into the ground maybe...How many points do you think the Jets have won this year because of special teams victories?

 

[CorgisPer60]

He's on the PK pretty regularly, with good metrics, so there's that...Pionk isn't sheltered from top competition either. He's definitely better at moving the puck under a heavy forecheck. Can he be better, I'd say that's a definite yes. But to think that Heinola could just step up into his role is a bit much. He's had how many good road games in his career, without matchup protection? You can count them on one hand, it's probably a little early to make such bold assumptions.

Well no, he's not going to step into that role. He needs to grow into it. That's his ceiling. He's the same mold of player, only less chaotic defensively. Pionk is not a top pairing defenseman, either. If you want to start banking salary, you start there. Schmidt and Pionk are virtually the same.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

Heinola seems awfully sheepish to me. You might be able to get away with that as a finesse forward, but I don't think that's a good long-term thing when you're talking about a defenseman. I think people are projecting things onto him, especially last night. The write-ups feel like hyperbolic YouTube headlines.

Despite what I've said, I hope that he develops into the player that we're all hoping that he can be.

 

[Howard Chuck]

*opens can of worms*

Enstrom was very effective and not physical. Just smart.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

*opens can of worms*

Enstrom was very effective and not physical. Just smart.

He also wasn't sheepish.

 

[Howard Chuck]

He also wasn't sheepish.

I don’t think Heinola is sheepish.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

I don’t think Heinola is sheepish.

And, I do.

 

[surixon]

Can someone explain to me what sheepish means?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can someone explain to me what sheepish means?

Afraid of contact. Avoids going into corners.

 

[surixon]

Afraid of contact. Avoids going into corners.

Ah, I don't agree with that assessment then.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Can someone explain to me what sheepish means?

In general, one is "sheepish" if they tend to lack confidence and wind up getting embarrassed through inaction. I don't think Heinola lacks confidence, if anything he's an impetuous little bugger whose agent is running the risk of running his mouth to run Heinola out of a job.