What did I just read?
A lot of assumptions and generalizations you have here RB. Even if they were true it doesn't mean he's going to ever be our GM. He's not close as is and may never be.
Tone down the drama bud.
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What did I just read?
A lot of assumptions and generalizations you have here RB. Even if they were true it doesn't mean he's going to ever be our GM. He's not close as is and may never be.
Tone down the drama bud.
I think the Rangers are accomplishing what they wanted. Don't think Mess and Gretzky have any chance of being HC's for us. This all seems like a smoke screen. Can see one of them somehow being used as an assistant HC at most, to supervise the new coach and be groomed.
Mess has 2 kids, more job security in the front office, less traveling. He's somehow in a line of people to get to the GM position eventually (not saying he's next). Doesn't make sense for him to take the risk of throwing that all away to be the head coach.
I think we are looking at Vigneault, Tippet, maybe Ruff, and don't be surprised if Doug Weight is in the mix. I know some of you are gaga over Eakins but he's proved nothing at this level. He can land some other head coaching gig somewhere else first and if he succeed when he leaves and if we are in need of a coach, then that can be a fit. Let some other team take the gamble. We need experience, we were 1 step away last season, I still think we are 1 step away.
Mess has 2 kids, more job security in the front office, less traveling. He's somehow in a line of people to get to the GM position eventually (not saying he's next). Doesn't make sense for him to take the risk of throwing that all away to be the head coach.
I think we are looking at Vigneault, Tippet, maybe Ruff, and don't be surprised if Doug Weight is in the mix. I know some of you are gaga over Eakins but he's proved nothing at this level. He can land some other head coaching gig somewhere else first and if he succeed when he leaves and if we are in need of a coach, then that can be a fit. Let some other team take the gamble. We need experience, we were 1 step away last season, I still think we are 1 step away.
Drama?
What are you talking about? You never have a clue.
Messier has had the sense of entitlement for a while.
From 2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2757012
Messier thinks he roll in and take over because he was a great hockey player. Put the work in. Take a more active role with the team. Go coach in the AHL or be an assistant coach in the NHL.
Hence why they should go with two or three shared responsiblity head coaches.
Its like Slats said, its heard to find someone who is both Tom Renney and John Tortorella. The only herdle with more than one in charge, is getting them to cooperate. In the SEL that has not been any problem whatsoever with the teams that have tried...
RangerBlues
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He is not in a higher position because thats where he belongs. He may believe that by hanging around long enough he is going to get a high profile position.
Really dont know exactly what he does besides PR.
Gretzky on top of Sather's list, according to the news.
But as others mention, he didn't have much success in Phoenix, and there's a reason he didn't stay there. Rangers should go for a guy with more coaching experience.
Btw, looks like he's already hired
But as others mention, he didn't have much success in Phoenix, and there's a reason he didn't stay there. Rangers should go for a guy with more coaching experience.
Btw, looks like he's already hired
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Messier leaks his interest to the media and he puts the organization in a very tough spot
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/2...d_if_Messier_wants_Rangers__coaching_job.html
People can't see what is going on here? Its always about Mark.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/2...d_if_Messier_wants_Rangers__coaching_job.html
People can't see what is going on here? Its always about Mark.
I am not quite sure what Messier and Gretzky is supposed to have, that others don't.
Why was Messier a star? I think how he handled Scott Stevens 94' says all about it. How he ran over SS the first shift to set the tone. Never backed down one inch. Was willing to go further than anyone else. What advantage does he have behind the bench from that (over say any former player)? He got a ton of experience, that is of course always valuble. The guy talking to you has been there before so to speak.
Gretzky? He could find passing lanes like nobody else. He saw the game in slowmotion. All the rest of us can litterary watch games in slow-mo. Would it help him when coaching?
I think we could do worse than Mess and/or Gretz. But to put it like this, there has been three very evident "eras" in the game the last 30 years. Mess and Gretz where kinds the first era. From a coaching point of view, the second era differed a ton from the second. Mess and Gretz struggled in the second era. And they haven't even been close to the game the third era.
RangerBlues
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Whoa there. Wouldn't expect any thing less than a condescending remark with no basis out of you.
Quick question, why are we referencing one article from ESPN as the and all-be all of who Messier is as a person. That's like if someone wrote an article on a blog about me and then 5 years later someone unearthed it and used it to claim what type of person I am.
At no point in the article does it portray Messier as the self entitled antagonist you're implying he is. Even if he is that way, people do have the capability of maturing. That's from 2007. Do you know Mess personally? Are you in the Rangers front office to observe how he acts? I highly doubt it. What the article says is that Messier wanted to talk to Sather about taking his job when he retired. That's a discussion - not a promise of a job or promotion.
I agree with him going to the AHL or being an assistant if he really wants to HC. But what you say is called an assumption. Distinguish that before you make statements like "this organization is doomed" for no other reason than your own personal opinion.
Messier has too many outside interests to devote himself full-time. He owns a hotel. He owns the helmet company. The ice rink in the Bronx. Messier wants to be the boss without proving he should be the boss.
His hotel and resort
http://www.runawayhill.com
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...-away-to-mark-messiers-island/article4200301/
Ice rink project
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._olympian_join_project_TeaK6HAStpxH7geT5erv1M
RangerBlues
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This is beginning to turn into a disaster. When firing the coach creates more problems than it solves is shows a lack of vision by the front office.
This scares me. If Mess really wants the job, I don't see Sather giving it to Eakins. We'll end up with a coach with pretty much zero coaching experience.
At the same time, it would generate a lot of enthusiasm and if the players bought in to that it could help this team.
Still. I'd rather they went with a more experienced coach.
At the same time, it would generate a lot of enthusiasm and if the players bought in to that it could help this team.
Still. I'd rather they went with a more experienced coach.
I don't think this is creating problems. It's generating discussion by all fans on the subject. It's perfect actually because most Ranger fans have opinions on Mess/Gretz/Leetch being coaches. Therefore the fans will be confined to focus on this one possibility, more or less, and not think about what else the Rangers may be doing.
Think this is all a smoke screen. I would assume this is their way of trying to remain under the radar until they find their right guy. Torts being fired was a necessity for this team to take the next step.
When the Rangers announce their coach, I fully expect every one to be surprised with who they chose.
It could be a move of pure genius or it could turn out to be an absolute disaster. It's a HUGE gamble and the risk just isn't worth it.
can't wait to see Gretz get blamed for a 6 goalie system if he is indeed the one.Gretzky on top of Sather's list, according to the news.
But as others mention, he didn't have much success in Phoenix, and there's a reason he didn't stay there. Rangers should go for a guy with more coaching experience.
Btw, looks like he's already hired
Condescending? Go look at your response. I usually ignore you. Have you noticed? For good reason too.
You know nothing about Messier. He thinks he should be coach of the team without any experience at all. He has limited front office experience too. He wants to take over when they are other more experience people available to succeed Torts.
Messier should be not leaking his interest at becoming Ranger coach hours after Torts was fired. Where did the leak come from? Messier. Self promoting Mark Messier.
Running a team is a 24/7/365 day job. There is no outside life.
lol.
A bunch of speculation on a message board means the Rangers are doomed?
Really?
The only problems it's creating are the ones in your head.
Clown Fiesta
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This Messier power trip is legit. He's just that kind of guy, apparently the millions he made playing here wasn't compensation enough, now he wants to try his hand at coaching and thinks the organization owes him. Being called "the Messiah" does that to a guy.
Sather doesn't owe him a thing, he's a big part of Messier's success as a player already, hopefully he realizes that.
Hopefully Clark and Gorton are the voice of reason telling him to get an actual coach at this point.
Love Messier as a player but ignoring what he is, an egomaniac at this point just because he helped us win a cup is silly.
Sather doesn't owe him a thing, he's a big part of Messier's success as a player already, hopefully he realizes that.
Hopefully Clark and Gorton are the voice of reason telling him to get an actual coach at this point.
Love Messier as a player but ignoring what he is, an egomaniac at this point just because he helped us win a cup is silly.
HonestGabe
Formerly MacTruck
Gretzky as head coach scares the life out of me, but not as bad as Messier.
AV, Eakins, Boucher in that order. If somehow mike Babcock becomes available, make it happen.
AV, Eakins, Boucher in that order. If somehow mike Babcock becomes available, make it happen.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
I don't care. I want whichever coach gets us wins. Be that Eakins, AV, Messier or Gretzky.
If we hire Messier or Gretzky and go on to win the cup, I will care less about the cup, and moer about serving up some crow for people. If the front office feels that Messier can coach them to the cup, by all means, try it.
If we hire Messier or Gretzky and go on to win the cup, I will care less about the cup, and moer about serving up some crow for people. If the front office feels that Messier can coach them to the cup, by all means, try it.
And i'm not claiming I know anything about Messier either! I'm playing devil's advocate to your ridiculously one ended stance.
Ignore my responses for good reason? I'm usually very rational or satirical. I see no reason why you'd consistently ignore what I have to say because for the most part I say nothing ground breaking. Did we need to go out and get Nash? Yes. Does Kreider need more top 9 minutes to develop? Yes. Did Tortorella need to get fired? Yes. I'd argue those are my top 3 subjects. Please enlighten me on what I say that is cause for "ignore". I have my scapegoats (Torts, MDZ, Richards) but those are my own opinions and I make it known that they are just opiniona.
What you're doing here with Mess is saying "no. this is how it is.". For all I know, that's how he is. I've acknowledged that its a possibility in both of my responses to you. I don't know him personally. I'm not defending him. I'm saying he's capable of changing if that's the person he is. I'm also saying neither of us has direct insight into who he is, and ESPN is not the best of source for this. You're flaming him. That's your prerogative. But your speaking in generalizations and absolutes - thats not what this is.
As for what I think of his coaching vacancy. How do we know this isn't a plant for the media so the Rangers can make their moves without pressure? If Mess' name wasn't in it the media would be all over Sather and he'd be under the microscope. That would cause pressure and maybe even panic in the front office to make a decision, and likely sooner rather than later. Now, with everyone discussing Mess and not really paying attention to the other candidates, Sather and whomever else can take their time and make their decision without outside pressure.
If Mess is forcing his hand on the Rangers management, he'd create enemies with much of the front office. He's stayed out of the spotlight for the most part in the front office. Makes little sense. He could have requested this coaching job when Renney was fired. Far less pressure when Renney was fired, the team was already in a downward spiral. Had he failed he could have been relieved of all blame by claiming that the team was already regressing before he got there. Had he succeeded he'd have been an even larger hero.
Sure he could want it now cause it's more of a ready product and he'd have a greater chance of being successful with them. But then again, I'm sure he realizes (or at the very least has people informing him) that if he fails he'll be run out of NY and most likely lose his security in the front office. It would be a huge risk for him and his family for him to take this job. He wanted to be GM, not HC. He's never tried to be a HC. This makes no sense from him.
Seems like a smoke screen. You don't leave room for other options. That's all i'm saying.
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