Hawks of Yesteryear Part II - Madden AHL 17

[BobbyJet]

PD is a fine player but where does he fit in our line up. He is not good enough to replace Kruger yet.

Your opinion, certainly not mine and that's without considering the respective salaries of each player. I'd trade one for the other without hesitation, take the extra millions of dollars and stash it away for the TD.

Of course, Bergevin would laugh at me.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Love Danault, and wish he was still here. But you have to pay to get players at the deadline, and the Habs wanted him. Sucks it didn't work out for us, but it happens.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Love Danault, and wish he was still here. But you have to pay to get players at the deadline, and the Habs wanted him. Sucks it didn't work out for us, but it happens.

Stanley paid for trash ,, It was trash moment deal went down and it was highway robbery before ink dried

Stop defending him

And Hawks should have walked away from Kruger with Danault taking over. Its a move that has helped put Hawks in cap hell and could prove costly with Panarin contract extension looming over horizon

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Stanley paid for trash ,, It was trash moment deal went down and it was highway robbery before ink dried

Stop defending him

And Hawks should have walked away from Kruger with Danault taking over. Its a move that has helped put Hawks in cap hell and could prove costly with Panarin contract extension looming over horizon

#TDL'15Sellers

 

[BK]

Your opinion, certainly not mine and that's without considering the respective salaries of each player. I'd trade one for the other without hesitation, take the extra millions of dollars and stash it away for the TD.

Of course, Bergevin would laugh at me.

I take Kruger over PD (on the Hawks) 10 out of 10 times. PD has the makings of a solid player but he was terrible offensively here. He is about a .5 PPG right now so there is a huge improvement there. PD has the makings of a solid 3C.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Stanley paid for trash ,, It was trash moment deal went down and it was highway robbery before ink dried

Stop defending him

And Hawks should have walked away from Kruger with Danault taking over. Its a move that has helped put Hawks in cap hell and could prove costly with Panarin contract extension looming over horizon

The team needed solid 4th line depth, that's what they brought in. Weise was doing really well for the majority of the year, and Flash was a guy who could step up if needed. It's what the market was.

Danault hadn't proven that he could take Krugers role on, and didn't look all that great after a good start with us last year.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

The team did not need Weise/Flash. With Ladd acquisition Shaw was moving into bottom 6 role and Kruger was set to come back

There was no justifiable reason to trade for either (Also Stanley ignored actual need which was a defender)

Danault showed he had an NHL ready defensive game and his offensive upside is far more then what Kruger brings offensively

 

[Hawkaholic]

The team did not need Weise/Flash. With Ladd acquisition Shaw was moving into bottom 6 role and Kruger was set to come back

There was no justifiable reason to trade for either (Also Stanley ignored actual need which was a defender)

Danault showed he had an NHL ready defensive game and his offensive upside is far more then what Kruger brings offensively

We did, we were icing Mashinter/Rasmussen, and Desjardins was awful. There were no Dmen left to trade for after we spent what we did on Ladd.

Danault didn't show he could shuit down the opponents best lines, and his offensive game disappeared after his first few games, and he was never that offensive in the AHL.

 

[SnakePlissken]

The team did not need Weise/Flash. With Ladd acquisition Shaw was moving into bottom 6 role and Kruger was set to come back

There was no justifiable reason to trade for either (Also Stanley ignored actual need which was a defender)

Danault showed he had an NHL ready defensive game and his offensive upside is far more then what Kruger brings offensively

A nice assist for Danault tonight. I agree that was a puzzling trade. Replacing Kruger with Danault seemed to be the plan all along to stay cheap and effective in the bottom 6, but then the plan changed for some reason.

 

[JaegerDice]

Are you people kidding me?

Kruger still has a positive CF%, at 50.5. He’s started exactly 10 shifts in the offensive zone ALL SEASON! He starts 60% of his shifts in the defensive zone. He’s been dragging around Dennis Rasmussen and Jordin Tootoo for most of the season. And yet his shifts only finish in the defensive zone 27% of the time. Hes a bargain!

Let's take a look at the numbers.

Kruger
Rel.ZSR: -50.87
Rel.CF: -2.82
Rel.SF: +3.40
Rel.SCF: +6.79
Rel.GF: +3.25

Danault
Rel.ZSR: -29.65
Rel.CF: -12.28
Rel.SF: -3.99
Rel. SCF: +1.91
Rel.GF: -11.18


Danault is a nice, cheap depth player. As far as quality of shut-down centers, he is unfit to wash Kruger's jock with his tongue.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Kruger was unfit to wash anyone's jock his first two years in NHL

Danault is showing as much if not more promise then Kruger showed early on

 

[ClydeLee]

Kruger was really good down the stretch in 2012, I'm not sure what you're talking about but some people just hate to accept anything good out of him for whatever the reason ever may be. And he was also two years younger than what Danault is currently, so for a first 2 years, yeah if the Hawks depth was the last two years what it was then, Danault would been an unready guy playing in the nhl.

 

[SnakePlissken]

Danault is a nice, cheap depth player. As far as quality of shut-down centers, he is unfit to wash Kruger's jock with his tongue.

The other numbers that matter are 0.913 and 3.083. I hope the math works out for us, but if keeping Kruger over Danault costs Panarin are you still going to be super excited about all the zone start stats?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Are you people kidding me?

Kruger still has a positive CF%, at 50.5. He’s started exactly 10 shifts in the offensive zone ALL SEASON! He starts 60% of his shifts in the defensive zone. He’s been dragging around Dennis Rasmussen and Jordin Tootoo for most of the season. And yet his shifts only finish in the defensive zone 27% of the time. Hes a bargain!

Let's take a look at the numbers.

Kruger
Rel.ZSR: -50.87
Rel.CF: -2.82
Rel.SF: +3.40
Rel.SCF: +6.79
Rel.GF: +3.25

Danault
Rel.ZSR: -29.65
Rel.CF: -12.28
Rel.SF: -3.99
Rel. SCF: +1.91
Rel.GF: -11.18


Danault is a nice, cheap depth player. As far as quality of shut-down centers, he is unfit to wash Kruger's jock with his tongue.

At some point you'll ease up on the hyperbole. Kruger's good. He's hardly irreplacceable.

He's certainly not Madden\Pahlsson.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

And he certainly is not worth the $$$ Hawks gave him

 

[BobbyJet]

I take Kruger over PD (on the Hawks) 10 out of 10 times. PD has the makings of a solid player but he was terrible offensively here. He is about a .5 PPG right now so there is a huge improvement there. PD has the makings of a solid 3C.

The way I saw it: Danault was fine offensively as well as defensively when he finally got his shot in Chicago. He added another dimension to the bottom 6 center role, but after 10 games or so I think Q gave him the message (loud and clear) that he wanted another Kruger (since Kruger was gone for the balance of the season). A player who is strictly defensive - one who never takes a chance on offense no matter how inviting, he obliged and not surprisingly his offense dried up.

Bergevin wanted him obviously and knew exactly what he was getting. PD was lucky to get out, IMO.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Q didn't "want" another Kruger, he needed one.

 

[BK]

The way I saw it: Danault was fine offensively as well as defensively when he finally got his shot in Chicago. He added another dimension to the bottom 6 center role, but after 10 games or so I think Q gave him the message (loud and clear) that he wanted another Kruger (since Kruger was gone for the balance of the season). A player who is strictly defensive - one who never takes a chance on offense no matter how inviting, he obliged and not surprisingly his offense dried up.

Bergevin wanted him obviously and knew exactly what he was getting. PD was lucky to get out, IMO.

Like I said PD is a fine hockey player. Not as good defensively but better offensively.

Just seems like a weird player to complain about losing.

 

[BobbyJet]

Like I said PD is a fine hockey player. Not as good defensively but better offensively.

Just seems like a weird player to complain about losing.

If the salary cap was irrelevant, I'd have less of a problem with losing PD after less than a half season with Chicago. Hawks have the 2 highest paid players in the NHL, as well as arguably the most overpaid 4th line center. Keeping PD was an ideal way (a no-brainer) to save money and to avoid the ridiculous salary extension Stan gifted to Kruger. I know BWC is often over the top when discussing Bowman's poor performance as Hawks' GM but this was a true head scratcher for me and others (to put it politely). We have been through similar personnel situations when it comes to cap issues which eventually resulted in the loss of core players such as Sharp and Saad. Is Panarin next? Unless he takes a discount it could very well happen. Weird huh? I think not.

 

[ChiHawks10]

If the salary cap was irrelevant, I'd have less of a problem with losing PD after less than a half season with Chicago. Hawks have the 2 highest paid players in the NHL, as well as arguably the most overpaid 4th line center. Keeping PD was an ideal way (a no-brainer) to save money and to avoid the ridiculous salary extension Stan gifted to Kruger. I know BWC is often over the top when discussing Bowman's poor performance as Hawks' GM but this was a true head scratcher for me and others (to put it politely). We have been through similar personnel situations when it comes to cap issues which eventually resulted in the loss of core players such as Sharp and Saad. Is Panarin next? Unless he takes a discount it could very well happen. Weird huh? I think not.

At the same time, Kruger took a discount on a one year deal to help the Hawks organization the year prior. He deserved to get paid.

 

[Panzerspitze]

At some point you'll ease up on the hyperbole. Kruger's good. He's hardly irreplacceable.

He's certainly not Madden\Pahlsson.

Maddon/Pahlsson before or during their Chicago tenure?

 

[Panzerspitze]

If the salary cap was irrelevant, I'd have less of a problem with losing PD after less than a half season with Chicago. Hawks have the 2 highest paid players in the NHL, as well as arguably the most overpaid 4th line center. Keeping PD was an ideal way (a no-brainer) to save money and to avoid the ridiculous salary extension Stan gifted to Kruger. I know BWC is often over the top when discussing Bowman's poor performance as Hawks' GM but this was a true head scratcher for me and others (to put it politely). We have been through similar personnel situations when it comes to cap issues which eventually resulted in the loss of core players such as Sharp and Saad. Is Panarin next? Unless he takes a discount it could very well happen. Weird huh? I think not.

Sharp's play hadn't merited "core" status for a while by the time of his trade to Dallas.

 

[SnakePlissken]

If the salary cap was irrelevant, I'd have less of a problem with losing PD after less than a half season with Chicago. Hawks have the 2 highest paid players in the NHL, as well as arguably the most overpaid 4th line center. Keeping PD was an ideal way (a no-brainer) to save money and to avoid the ridiculous salary extension Stan gifted to Kruger. I know BWC is often over the top when discussing Bowman's poor performance as Hawks' GM but this was a true head scratcher for me and others (to put it politely). We have been through similar personnel situations when it comes to cap issues which eventually resulted in the loss of core players such as Sharp and Saad. Is Panarin next? Unless he takes a discount it could very well happen. Weird huh? I think not.

Agreed. I like Kruger and appreciate what he does for the Hawks. I don't think he's a luxury we can afford at his current number given the T/K contracts and other locked in cap hits.

 

[BK]

I know BWC is often over the top when discussing Bowman's poor performance as Hawks' GM but this was a true head scratcher for me and others (to put it politely).

See the trend here. I mean the fact the people give thought to what he says baffles me.

With the structure of our team you take Kruger 100% of the time. We need a defensive center and Kruger is one of the best centers in the league in his role. Kruger is a 20-25 point player that you can send out in the hardest defensive roles. We roll 3 lines that can score and have 1 shutdown line. PD can't not do what Kruger is doing right now, maybe in the future but not now.

Anyone who thinks this team would be fine without Kruger needs to do some research.

FYI we needed 2 players to replace Desi and Mashinter in the lineup. Stan went and got them and then Q ****ed that up. If you think differently about not needing 2 players to replace those 2 you are wrong.

 

[DPHawk]

Anyone who thinks this team would be fine without Kruger needs to do some research

Here's some research, last year with Kruger the Hawks earned 52 points in 41 games, without him they earned 51 points in 41 games. Seems just fine to me.