Rumor: Hawks expected to make big splash (Robertson, Knies, etc)

[u2wojo]

And if it went to arbitration, players don’t have a walkway right.

Dallas ain't going to arbitration where Robertson's agent is using Rantanen and Kaprizov as his compareables, and asking for 13 (Rantanen + cap increase in the last year) or 17 (Kaprizov) neither of which Dallas can afford.

 

[WarriorofTime]

In a current market where most teams have money to spend and no one worth spending it on in free agency ....Dallas is in real jeopardy of an offersheet for both Robertson and Borque. I would guess any of the Kings, Bruins, Utah, Penguins, Sens, Wings, or the Sens would see adding Robertson for 4 1sts as him moving those future picks solidly into the 20's and each of those teams in the playoffs the next 4 seasons. Gm's are sitting around the next week asking would adding a Marner or Ehlers like player get my team into the Cup finals? All those teams are either playoff teams or were within sniffing distance and have the cap space to add a 13-14 a year player.

I am not a huge fan of Borque as a long term fit with the Hawks from a size and shape perspective (even moreso if we pick Stenberg)...but...Davidson better be on the horn with Borque's agent day 1 he can be offering a 5 X 4.775 offersheet just from a talent acquisition/cost standpoint. If Borque would sign and actually end up in Chicago, I would retain half on Teuvo and you probably get something of value back (again a market devoid of any talent). You then spend next season figuring out internally the remaining smallish winger and see who actually takes prospect hopes and can actually play in the NHL.

Dallas would gladly take the 4 Firsts level of offer sheet comp for Robertson

 

[WarriorofTime]

Dallas ain't going to arbitration where Robertson's agent is using Rantanen and Kaprizov as his compareables, and asking for 13 (Rantanen + cap increase in the last year) or 17 (Kaprizov) neither of which Dallas can afford.

Robertson can force arbitration, collect $13 million for a season or two then be UFA and if he's still good get Kaprizov money

 

[u2wojo]

Dallas would gladly take the 4 Firsts level of offer sheet comp for Robertson

I doubt gladly, especially not from a solidly playoff team where those picks are likely late first. Dallas winning window is open (core is mid 20's to early 30's) and the clock is ticking. They are not wanting picks that won't be contributing players in the NHL until their core is all in their 30's or be left trying to peddle those late 20's picks into a star winger that no one is going to trade them.

 

[AmericanDream]

I doubt gladly, especially not from a solidly playoff team where those picks are likely late first. Dallas winning window is open (core is mid 20's to early 30's) and the clock is ticking. They are not wanting picks that won't be contributing players in the NHL until their core is all in their 30's or be left trying to peddle those late 20's picks into a star winger that no one is going to trade them.

Yep, Stars are a win now team, they dont want those picks unless they can deal them asap.

 

[AmericanDream]

Bourque isnt "the" answer here, but the Stars are in one hell of a bind...we arent going to be buddy buddy trade partners next few years. Offer sheet Bourque for $4.5 mil, lose a 2nd rounder but gain a young 25-30 goal scorer who can play in our top 6 at right wing.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Dallas ain't going to arbitration where Robertson's agent is using Rantanen and Kaprizov as his compareables, and asking for 13 (Rantanen + cap increase in the last year) or 17 (Kaprizov) neither of which Dallas can afford.

Those are technically UFA contracts though, so I don't think they're allowed to be as comparisons for a RFA arbitration.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Seravalli seems to think Robertson wants 14 million now. Maybe Dallas really doesn’t want to pay him.

This should throw cold water on the "Trade for Robertson" stuff here

No interest in paying a Top 5 pick for Robertson and then turn around and pay him 14x8

Exactly

Will cost kings ransom to acquire and then at $14M AAV,, No thanks!

 

[Kevin Musto]

I would gladly give Robertson 8 x 14M

easy yes

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Bourque isnt "the" answer here, but the Stars are in one hell of a bind...we arent going to be buddy buddy trade partners next few years. Offer sheet Bourque for $4.5 mil, lose a 2nd rounder but gain a young 25-30 goal scorer who can play in our top 6 at right wing.

would be a sharp move if it only cost a 2nd

 

[u2wojo]

Borque for a 2nd is a no brainer....promise him first shot as Bedards RW and PP time (of which he didn't get a ton in Dallas) to get him on an offersheet (as I am sure he will have every team that holds it 2nd kicking the tires on him)

Even if we suck again this coming season and that pick is mid 30's...the odds of that pick eventually turning into even a legit NHL player (100 games in the NHL) are 1 in 3 and even less that they can become a middle 6 on a playoff level team. Sign Borque to a 5 year 4.7 per contract and he is easily traded in a season or two if our hit rate on drafted forwards is good and we have an overabundance. In the near term retain half on Tuevo and grab back a 2nd.

 

[AmericanDream]

Should JRob wear a letter here day 1?

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Should JRob wear a letter here day 1?

You moving on from Knies?

 

[AmericanDream]

You moving on from Knies?

Is there only 1 letter?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Bourque isnt "the" answer here, but the Stars are in one hell of a bind...we arent going to be buddy buddy trade partners next few years. Offer sheet Bourque for $4.5 mil, lose a 2nd rounder but gain a young 25-30 goal scorer who can play in our top 6 at right wing.

Bourque at 4.5 is a pretty easy match for the Stars

 

[AmericanDream]

Bourque at 4.5 is a pretty easy match for the Stars

Not if they want to keep Robertson.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Not if they want to keep Robertson.

I think it's Seguin or Robertson for the Stars at this point.

 

[MicronMega]

The more I read about Barzal and the interview with Bedard. Count me on on acquiring him. The guy can fly and they have chemistry already.

It sounds like a cap space kind of move. I would even go one step further and take on Palat. That would free up $15M in cap space for them.

Not sure what the package would be but it would be cheaper than Robertson and $9M instead of 13-14M.

And hold off on saying Robertson scores 40+ F'n Donato scored 30 with Bedard. I thnk Barzal will do just fine on his line.

Barzal-Bedard-Kantserov

 

[Toews2Bickell]

You moving on from Knies?

AD never moving on from Knies

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Again why exactly would we be looking at a ok young winger in Bourque?

We already have Lardis, Kantserov and probably Moore as young wingers with upside/potential in lineup. If we trade or go after a winger it needs to be an impact guy especially since we have several more wingers (Vanacker, Nestrasil, etc) in pipeline in coming years that signing Bourque to long deal makes no real sense

As of now we are looking at something like this lineup wise at wing currently as a possibility

?-Bedard-?
Bertuzzi-Frondell-Kantserov
Moore-Nazar-Lardis

 

[WarriorofTime]

I doubt gladly, especially not from a solidly playoff team where those picks are likely late first. Dallas winning window is open (core is mid 20's to early 30's) and the clock is ticking. They are not wanting picks that won't be contributing players in the NHL until their core is all in their 30's or be left trying to peddle those late 20's picks into a star winger that no one is going to trade them.

Not about their most idealized package. From a guy they don’t want to commit the full boat to that’s incredible value from an uncertain team that arms them with treasure trove of assets to deploy as needed. Dallas instantly becomes the best positioned team in the league.

If Hawks are getting Robertson they can almost certainly get him via a trade for a lesser package than four unprotected firsts. This isn’t nba.

 

[u2wojo]

Not about their most idealized package. From a guy they don’t want to commit the full boat to that’s incredible value from an uncertain team that arms them with treasure trove of assets to deploy as needed. Dallas instantly becomes the best positioned team in the league.

If Hawks are getting Robertson they can almost certainly get him via a trade for a lesser package than four unprotected firsts. This isn’t nba.

Kings, Bruins, Utah, Penguins, Sens, Capitals, or Wings are the specific teams I speculated Dallas could be in danger of Robertson getting an offersheet from. I am not advocating the Hawks do an offersheet as the '27 1st even with Robertson on the Hawks is highly probable of being in the lottery (barring perfect injury luck and a big step from a couple of the young D). An offersheet and 4 years of late first round picks from a playoff team is certainly assets....but highly doubt you could convert those late future 1st into anything remotely resembling Robertson in the near term when Dallas is built to win and trying to contend.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Again why exactly would we be looking at a ok young winger in Bourque?

We already have Lardis, Kantserov and probably Moore as young wingers with upside/potential in lineup. If we trade or go after a winger it needs to be an impact guy especially since we have several more wingers (Vanacker, Nestrasil, etc) in pipeline in coming years that signing Bourque to long deal makes no real sense

As of now we are looking at something like this lineup wise at wing currently as a possibility

?-Bedard-?
Bertuzzi-Frondell-Kantserov
Moore-Nazar-Lardis

While I agree in principle on it being a "weird add" from a roster building approach - if the Hawks were able to O/S Bourque for a 2nd, and he did turn into the 25-30g/25-30a type of middle six winger - he'd EASILY have much higher market value and could be moved when the next wave of prospects is ready. Bourque would also be further along and more likely to contribute immediately. Top 9 would be some combo of Bedard, Frondell, Nazar, Bertuzzi, Lardis, Kantersov, Moore, Greene, Borque. (Assume 4OA is a d-man or not in the NHL this year - if you get Stenberg then this is a moot point.)

I look at it like if they got Bourque - they're buying out or burying Bura or Manga to open up a space for him. Agree that's it's trying to hit a single instead of a homerun, but if JR doesn't work it's an option.

 

[u2wojo]

While I agree in principle on it being a "weird add" from a roster building approach - if the Hawks were able to O/S Bourque for a 2nd, and he did turn into the 25-30g/25-30a type of middle six winger - he'd EASILY have much higher market value and could be moved when the next wave of prospects is ready. Bourque would also be further along and more likely to contribute immediately. Top 9 would be some combo of Bedard, Frondell, Nazar, Bertuzzi, Lardis, Kantersov, Moore, Greene, Borque. (Assume 4OA is a d-man or not in the NHL this year - if you get Stenberg then this is a moot point.)

I look at it like if they got Bourque - they're buying out or burying Bura or Manga to open up a space for him. Agree that's it's trying to hit a single instead of a homerun, but if JR doesn't work it's an option.

Exactly this. Hawks may not necessarily "need" a Borque type player, but if the cost to acquire is a 2nd and you have a chance you absolutely should from a value standpoint. There is no guarantee Lardis, Kansterov, Moore, Greene, etc don't follow the Reichel develoment path....fools gold of a small sample size that builds up hopes but ends in regression instead of further development. I suspect we end up with few Reichel's if any out of that grouping and a big so what if all of those guys "hit" as good NHL players. It would be a pleasant change of pace to have to many quality NHL players and you move a few for future picks as some of the prospects come in and actually earn roster spots.

 

[mlie1984]

The more I read about Barzal and the interview with Bedard. Count me on on acquiring him. The guy can fly and they have chemistry already.

It sounds like a cap space kind of move. I would even go one step further and take on Palat. That would free up $15M in cap space for them.

Not sure what the package would be but it would be cheaper than Robertson and $9M instead of 13-14M.

And hold off on saying Robertson scores 40+ F'n Donato scored 30 with Bedard. I thnk Barzal will do just fine on his line.

Barzal-Bedard-Kantserov

I posted in the Barzal main boards thread that I would do 2027 Florida and Edmonton firsts and one of Moore/Boisvert but the more I think about it, I might be hesitant on trading Moore. If Boisvert wasn't enough, perhaps Lardis could work but I'd also be hesitant on trading him.